In Defense of Hepler Mode

[Knight Templar]

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It is quite evident you do not understand what it means to take something out of context. That makes talking with you on this impossible, as if your refusal to consider being wrong didn't make things hard enough.

She never says she dislikes gameplay, this is entirely of your own creation. The only way it could make sense was if most major games are not based around combat and the skills she lists, but they are and she goes on to mention that it is combat she wants less of, not gameplay. You are aware that the story in games such as Bioware's are told via gameplay? Or did this one fact ruin your argument just a little too throughly for you to notice it exists?

I do not know if you are trying to twist her words or simply do not understand, but it doesn't matter, you are just as willingly and happy to be wrong either way. The worst part is you don't want to be right, you refuse to think you can be wrong. If this was all she said on the subject you could prehaps be understood, but it is not. It is simply all that has made it into trolling material.

So even when you quote the article you manage to come off as having failed to read it, impressive.

There's no reason to be rude or demeaning in a silly argument about something as stupid as this.

Then why have you insisted on doing exactly that? If I didn't know better I would have to assume you're trying to piss me off with this double talk, and I do not know any better.

You do everything you can to sabotage the conversation, then dump it all onto me. You're an arse. It's a bad move to do what you have done. If you think I sound hostile now, it's because you have earned this with how little respect you have shown. You're not even willing to own your words.

EDIT:because you're kind of insufferable with your excessive condescension.
You Hypocrite.

 

[sumanai]

Lord only knows I couldn't be being sarcastic. The man is a pretentious ass and I've stopped bothering trying to engage him in any serious fashion.


But yes, aside of genuine harassment like visiting her house and such (not that I've ever seen any proof that such a thing occurred), Hepler has basically brought the firestorm on herself. She can't write, neither she nor anyone at Bioware understands damage control, and the entire ship is sinking because of accumulated problems like Hepler herself or Gaider.

So it's okay to harass someone because they're bad at their job? I don't know Hepler or any individuals in Bioware, but I've yet to hear any of them doing something that justifies actual harassment.

Here's a trick to using sarcasm: Just because you're not making any sense doesn't mean you're being sarcastic. Unless you missed my point completely, and are saying that you don't actually think that misogynists are not horrible people. Since you don't do the whole "reading comprehension" shtick, let me paint a picture:

I knew you were making a sarcastic comment about how his comment says that misogynists are not horrible people. My point was that that is not what he was saying.

@Timmibal - Then Hepler miscommunicated. Her intentions are irrelevant, because we're not deciding on giving her free hands to mould video games into whatever she wants, but rather if her idea, even if it's not what she had in her head, has any merit. I think this discussion is over however, since you seem to have an axe to grind and I have no interest in it.

 

[zehydra]

"Would you walk into your friend's house and forbid them from fast-forwarding through a movie because they're "watching it wrong"?"

I wouldn't stop them from doing that, but yes, I would let them know they're watching it "wrong".

This suggestion is a symptomatic of a growing trend of favoring story over gameplay in the Gaming industry. THAT's why people are getting upset.

If you want a story, go watch a movie or read a book.

 

[zehydra]

I wouldn't stop them from doing that, but yes, I would let them know they're watching it "wrong".

Remind me never to invite you to my house is that's the way you as a guest behave.

If you want a story, go watch a movie or read a book.

I'm getting so sick of this mantra. You're effectively saying, "You can have story or gameplay, but not both. And if you pick story, then fuck off."

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying you AT LEAST need gameplay. Story is extra.

 

[Demongeneral109]

Personally, I refuse to call it "Hepler-mode" and will call it a visual novel instead. I love visual novels (mostly those from Japan with English translation)!

fate/stay night is awesome... so i agree

 

[oldtaku]

I did this with Xenosaga 2. The too frequent combat was boring tedious crap, so I just used high damage inflicted and infinite health mods.

I enjoyed the story, the CGIs were budget breaking fantabulous, and it set me up for the much better Xenosaga 3 (which I didn't feel the need to cheat on) so I have no regrets whatsoever. It was the Right Thing to do.

 

[keroko]

If you want a story, go watch a movie or read a book.

I never liked this line of thinking, because by that same reasoning one can go and say "if you want to shoot stuff go play paintball." Games are an interactive medium that allows for a whole variety of activities, including storytelling. That story exists in other mediums does not mean they are somehow "lesser" in games.

 

[sumanai]

If you want a story, go watch a movie or read a book.

I never liked this line of thinking, because by that same reasoning one can go and say "if you want to shoot stuff go play paintball." Games are an interactive medium that allows for a whole variety of activities, including storytelling. That story exists in other mediums does not mean they are somehow "lesser" in games.

It also implies that games can't have a story good or interesting enough that someone might want to enjoy it on its own. Or that it's somehow wrong to want to experience the story of a game despite its bad gameplay.

So they could go on Youtube, but Youtube might have removed the clips due to copyright reasons. Or it might have been done poorly. Or no-one has made one, because everyone is waiting for someone else to do a Let's Play. If they already own the game, why shouldn't it be possible to use that copy?

 

[Shavon513]

As a recovering member of the Bioware Social Network (that crowd is...beyond special), I can safely say that the reaction to Hepler's comment was unsurprising as it was totally uncalled for (the reaction, not her comment). In some games, 'hepler', or story-mode would be fine. I don't get why non-rpg fans have to get so uptight about a game without combat. Sims, Civilization, puzzle games, etc. so many other types of games do not have combat and are based on something else. Does anyone remember text-based adventure games? Why not include story-driven choice-based games into the mix of games currently being developed? Until recently, Bioware was very good at making games with great stories/characters. I'd love to see them make an actual story-mode for people who don't care about flashy combat.