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Shifty

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I have to say no. Not for medical reasons just because the idea repulses me and i am a generally live and let live kinda guy i.e what ever you get up to on your own time is your business once you are not hurting anyone else.

The thought of it just seems so wrong to me. I am close to my sister but in a family way and no other. We can talk candidly about our love life to each other and everything but only because we love each other like family.

Seriously to quote many before me on this thread.


EEEEEEWWWWWW, followed by side show bobs sound of disgust after being hit by a garden rake also shuddering.
 

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NAWWWW D: LEAVING THIS THREAD NAOW.

[sub]Fucking hell I thought this would probably be a Game of Thrones thread or something[/sub]
 

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Some things don't need to be countered by logic or anything else, it's just common sense not to do it.

Willingly fucking your blood relatives is one of these things.
 

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Well, I agree with this to a certain point... if you're adults, do what you want sexually but for crying out loud, don't have kids. A) That kid is going to get genetically screwed because you took it upon yourself to screw your genetics.
I suggest going back and re-reading this thread. In particular my last post as it deals directly with how this is a rather large misconception. Two people who are related and have children will not suddenly give birth to little mutants, or children with genetic disorders solely because they chose to have a child with their sister/brother/cousin/whatever. The risk is increased because if one carries the genes for a specific disorder, the other likely does as well, but people in the general population could get together who both carry the genes for any number of disorders anyway. And even then, it's not a sure thing that the child will have it. Unless you're prepared to force every couple to undergo genetic testing and prevent those who carry genes for disorders from having children (which would be unethical to subject someone to), there is no basis to do the same to family members engaging in an incestuous relationship.

I also dislike this assumption that goes into it as well that having a child with a genetic disorder (and let's be honest here, when people think of incest and genetic disorder, they think mental or physical handicap despite there being plenty of other possibilities) is such a terrible thing that no child should be subjected to. It's basically deciding for the child and for the parents that their child's life could only be terrible and they shouldn't have children. But I don't see people deciding to force genetic testing of fetus' on parents and aborting those who won't be born "normal". If the parents want to take the risk, that's their decision, not ours and certainly not the governments.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Somethings don't need to be countered by logic or anything else, it's just common sense not to do it.

Willingly fucking your blood relatives is one of these things.
Sure. There's absolutely nothing wrong with forcing an arbitrary morality not supported by reason, logic or science on other people. It's just icky and people shouldn't be allowed to do it.

What is this? The 1st grade?
 

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Well I do have this one particularly hot aunt. . . . .errr I mean no, that's just gross. . . . although maybe if I was drunk . . . . no still gross.
 

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Ok, just curious as I've never seen you be that open about anything on the site.
And I'll believe that when the CM isn't posting in it. :p
I have a bazaar political alignment being communism, a fairly sexually deviated mindset but bazaarly don't think Gay marriage is right. The reason I only say this in usergroups is I don't like being hammered with bans. You know, extremes are not appreciated here.
 

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Vivi22 said:
Casual Shinji said:
Somethings don't need to be countered by logic or anything else, it's just common sense not to do it.

Willingly fucking your blood relatives is one of these things.
Sure. There's absolutely nothing wrong with forcing an arbitrary morality not supported by reason, logic or science on other people. It's just icky and people shouldn't be allowed to do it.
Regarding incest?

Definately!

What is this? The 1st grade?
No, apparently this is one of those "if you don't have an open mind about incest you're a nazi" discussions.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
Sassafrass said:
Ok, just curious as I've never seen you be that open about anything on the site.
And I'll believe that when the CM isn't posting in it. :p
I have a bazaar political alignment being communism, a fairly sexually deviated mindset but bazaarly don't think Gay marriage is right. The reason I only say this in usergroups is I don't like being hammered with bans. You know, extremes are not appreciated here.
They are allowed here, otherwise half of the RP crowd would be long gone by now.
Besides, it's not FOR having the opinions, it's for how you word it and get across your beliefs that'd get you banned here.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
What is this? The 1st grade?
No, apparently this is one of those "if you don't have an open mind about incest you're a nazi" discussions.
I called you no such thing. I merely pointed out that your position is unsupportable.
 

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Well, certainly not expecting a good deal of the responses here.

I guess the main problem with incest is the social stigma it carries, and the reputation that it's the "rednecks" who partake in it, thus we "civilised people" ought to know better.

On a physical level, attraction is attraction, it doesn't truly matter if you find your brother/sister/cousins body attractive, it's just your body thinking for you.

On a mental level, I really can't speak for this. This is normally a subject I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot chunk of rebar, but That's today influence of the media, so I'll ignore that just this once.

This is just one of those untouchable subjects, deemed "Evil" by most cultures today, and it carries a heck of a lot of weight to be throwing around in threads like this. I personally ignore stuff like this when it pops up, leave people to their own ideals.
 

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I've never felt the attraction on a conscious level so I can't comment on that but in general, it doesn't bother me.
 

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I'll compare this to another issue: You know how homosexuality has been proven by all non-religously funded science to be harmless? And that kids from families with gay people or gay adoptive parents tend to be very happy and healthy? And there are just (adjusted for proportion) just as many long lasting monogamous gay relationships as heterosexual ones. The gays are accepted cause science and empathy make it clear they're A-okay. If they have problems, it's not because they're gay.

Incest doesn't have that kind of track record. Biologically and psychologically there seems to be real harm. There is some debate, but power imbalance will almost always be present with Older-younger siblings, or parents having sex with their kids. In this sense, how consensual is it? 18 year old daughter and 49 year old father...I hesitate to say the daughter has a lot of power in this sexual relationship. It can also lead to a lack of division of relationships, extreme promiscuity without protection. Not just healthy sexual liberality, just the need to consider everyone a sex partner. This shatters the divides between friend, brother, and fuck buddy, leading to issues forming lasting bonds and forming confident social bonds based on things outside of sex. It's hard to find statistics on this, but people involved in incest are often very promiscuous, to a physically dangerous extent. Because to them, all relationships become sex-based. These are case by case studies obviously, but I can't find many to say someone is happy after having incest.

Abuse victims consistently show signs of depression, and even before kids are taught about 'the places under their bathing suits', they still consistently report feeling great discomfort and fear and intimidation after molestation, long before sexual thoughts are in their noggin in a meaningful way. In addition, their are the natural downsides of unhealthy children consistently produced via incestuous conception.

Maybe someday their will be some exception to the rule. But I can't find any reports about them. There may be bias in this research, of course, and for some, there definitely is. I personally think it's very dangerous, and will almost always be harmful in many ways to both parties, especially the younger. I only say this because I see very little evidence to the contrary. I'm an atheist with very flexible morality based on science, rationality, empathy and love for my fellow man. I'm going off nature, science, study and a dash of gut feeling. I genuinely think touching your sister the wrong way is going to mess both of you up later.
 

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Oh my god, please not.
Can we please just talk about something less discusting and horrible.
I remember another Thread about this horrible topic, were some idiot complained that you are not allowed to have sex with your sister in Dragon Age 2.
Seriously what is wrong with you people?
I have a really big family and i can't imagine being only the slightest sexually interested in someone of my own blood. Disctusting.
 

Vault101

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when you think about it...this brings forth an interesting paralell with homosexuality

because when you think about it alot of us (as it seems here) feel somewhat repulsed by the Idea of incest

and this is likely how many feel about homosexuality

Ive defended homosexuality before online and such....when I really think about it it would feel hypocritical to deamonise incest.....

Overusedname said:
[spoiler/]I'll compare this to another issue: You know how homosexuality has been proven by all non-religously funded science to be harmless? And that kids from families with gay people or gay adoptive parents tend to be very happy and healthy? And there are just (adjusted for proportion) just as many long lasting monogamous gay relationships as heterosexual ones. The gays are accepted cause science and empathy make it clear they're A-okay. If they have problems, it's not because they're gay.

Incest doesn't have that kind of track record. Biologically and psychologically there seems to be real harm. There is some debate, but power imbalance will almost always be present with Older-younger siblings, or parents having sex with their kids. In this sense, how consensual is it? 18 year old daughter and 49 year old father...I hesitate to say the daughter has a lot of power in this sexual relationship. It can also lead to a lack of division of relationships, extreme promiscuity without protection. Not just healthy sexual liberality, just the need to consider everyone a sex partner. This shatters the divides between friend, brother, and fuck buddy, leading to issues forming lasting bonds and forming confident social bonds based on things outside of sex. It's hard to find statistics on this, but people involved in incest are often very promiscuous, to a physically dangerous extent. Because to them, all relationships become sex-based. These are case by case studies obviously, but I can't find many to say someone is happy after having incest.

Abuse victims consistently show signs of depression, and even before kids are taught about 'the places under their bathing suits', they still consistently report feeling great discomfort and fear and intimidation after molestation, long before sexual thoughts are in their noggin in a meaningful way. In addition, their are the natural downsides of unhealthy children consistently produced via incestuous conception.

Maybe someday their will be some exception to the rule. But I can't find any reports about them. There may be bias in this research, of course, and for some, there definitely is. I personally think it's very dangerous, and will almost always be harmful in many ways to both parties, especially the younger. I only say this because I see very little evidence to the contrary. I'm an atheist with very flexible morality based on science, rationality, empathy and love for my fellow man. I'm going off nature, science, study and a dash of gut feeling. I genuinely think touching your sister the wrong way is going to mess both of you up later.[/spoiler]
well that is somthing interesting I hadnt considered before....

I think when most people consider this (people on the more lax side) I think they mean somthing more like a brother and sister of similar ageis....when you get older/parent and child it feels like it goes into paedophile terratory
 

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Vivi22 said:
Casual Shinji said:
What is this? The 1st grade?
No, apparently this is one of those "if you don't have an open mind about incest you're a nazi" discussions.
I called you no such thing. I merely pointed out that your position is unsupportable.
That's fine be me.

I merely pointed out that incest is sick, science and logic be damned.
 

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It's funny, I have a mother/son fetish but IRL I look down upon it and think it's morally wrong and gross. Yeah, my brain hates me.

Also, what is with everyone misspelling "disgusting" as discusting? Is that an american/british thing like grey and gray?
 

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I wouldn't engage it at all
but I think that, if it's consensual, let 'em do it

just spare me the details =P