Industry Obsessed With "Gay Space Marines," Says Mafia 2 Producer

[joshuaayt]

Oh, this again. Ok.
I don't think there are enough gay video game anythings, thank you very much, Mr. Maturity. Besides, we can't *all* work on new, creative games like GTA clone: Mafia edition.

Calling every open world game a GTA clone is like calling every FPS a doom/ wolfenstein clone.

OT: mafia did have a good story and it was nice to see main character that didn?t have biceps bigger them my head

I didn't say that. Open world games are fine, open world games with guns and cars are ok too. Open world games with guns, cars, bad-to-decent stories and THAT'S IT? GTA has been doing that for longer, better. New FPS games are obligated to add SOMETHING new to formula, but 3rd person sandboxes seem to be allowed to stick *purely* to formula, bar the graphics. Besides, 'GTA clone' works because they are all trying to be GTA, whilst no FPS is trying to emulate Doom, they are trying to emulate Halo or CoD.

have you played any game in the past few years? the amount of generic and repetitive games out there is staggering especially in the FPS genre, if a different time period, different gameplay and a different tone isn?t enough to make a game unique then the open world genre hasn?t evolved sense the first GTA.

Ok, I'll admit that trying to play off FPS games as anywhere near creative was kind of a major stretch.
I must concede that you have a point, and that directing my attetion at open world games was rather unfair.

 

[johnsom]

Who cares? 3 letters and there is a 5 page flame good god.

 

[alansmithee]

Isn't that charming, they're letting junior high students produce games now apparently. I mean sure Halo is kinda gay, but only in that douche-y homophobic frat boy way, where you've got someone affecting a hyper masculinized personality in light of their internalized homophobia.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I'm sorry, but the actual Space Marines would like to have a chat with you. Mostly concerning the chainsword that is going to cut off you hypocritical head.

 

[theSovietConnection]

I don't think the problem is space marines at all. Off the top of my head, I can only think of 40K, Killzone, Mass Effect, Halo, and Doom as games having true space marines, and that hardly takes up the entire genre. What we do need less of, though, is bad writing, poor characters, and overall shoddy games.

 

[Timmehexas]

I'm disappointed in the lack of "gay space marines" in this thread, got my hopes up for nothing.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Am I the only one who finds it a bit odd that our Mr. Grace is decrying unoriginality while staqnding behind a game filled with mafia cliches?

I think a game about an actually gay space marine would be awesome.

Super effeminant Space Marine Chapter Master ... and he's all like pilotting this Thunderhawk gun Ship and crashes it straight into an Ork Gargant ... bursting through its armour and partly exploding in a hail of shrapnel and smog within the belly of the mechanical beast.

As the smog slowly clears and the orks cease coughing you just suddenly hear ... "Haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Gaisssssssssssss!!!!" And a huge figure bursting through the smog, decapitating orks left and right with a massive chain sword, and riddling shooty boyz with storm bolter rounds.

That would be FUCKING AWESOME! Goty material. Seriously I'm tired of all the 'For the Emperor!!' ...

That's the best fucking idea for a videogame I've ever heard.

I know, right? ^_^ Seriously ... 40k needs a character who is both fun-loving, hip, cool and trendy ... but also power armoured and full of badassedry when he needs to be.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Oooh ... I don't know. The whole idea that you have a militaristic society continually defeated by an alien insectoid race that had lacked a arms race had to be atleast some form of self parodisation. Or perhaps I looked at the book the wrong way <.<

You can just say "parody". There is no noun for parodying. That having been said:

Starship Troopers was mainly Heinlein's response to drafting, he felt that a society that required a draft didn't deserve to exist (if a nation was able to get enough volunteers to defend itself, then it had earned the right to continue). The society in Troopers is designed to promote benefits for those that serve in the army, such as citizenship.

This is exactly correct.

But there is a quite strong streak of the absurd in Heinlein's works ... take for instance Stranger in a Strange Land ... are you saying there was no humourous critique of human psychology and reasoning in that either?

You can either take Heinlein as a fascist idiot, or a guy with a subtle acknowledgement of the inherent flaws of Humanity ... I'm hoping it was a case of the latter rather than the former.

Yeah, Heinlein did use a lot of the absurd in his writing. Just look at Time Enough for Love... Lazarus becomes his own frigging ancestor. And that is one of the things that makes Heinlein my all time favorite author... he tackles all sorts of things, not just having to do with human flaws and critiques, but societal taboos. But this is not parody, in that parody is a form of criticism. (He did criticize, but not really in parody).

As to Heinlein being a fascist, that is a nebulous term with a meaning that needs to be defined almost every time it is used. Heinlein didn't seem to believe in a hierarchical society, so in that sense he was not. I'm not sure about the military industrial side of the term "fascist" in regards to the author. However, as Blind Sight pointed out, he was a libertarian and had views that both fit in with today's right and left.

Speaking of which, it is great to actually be talking about him in this particular argument because Heinlein DID have openly gay characters...or at least men who were not afraid to be intimate with other men. If fact, Heinlein's characters broke down many social and sexual boundaries. Women had far stronger rolls in his work than in most contemporary sci-fi (even if they did all want to be spanked... that might have been a thing with him and his wife, Virgina?) and, as I said, he presented in a positive view homosexuality, lesbianism, group sex/love/communing, and incest. No video game has even come close to challenging any modern issues the way he did. If we had Heinlein-esq writing, there would be gay space marines and they would kick ass. All over time.

I don't know, I'm just going off what I can remember from year 11 literature in English o.o I remember finding Heinlein funny. Well, comical at least ... or atleast as a parody of the US army... the Mobile infantry as being the end result of an arms buildup, yet no matter how advanced technology gets devastation and near annhilation is met upon Humanity cy a pack of bugs.

Nowhere near as serious or dark as Kafka.

As I said I could have read the material from teh wrong perspective or just don't remember it as well as I should have. I was only 16 o.o

 

[Timmehexas]

haha, well why not. Fight for your rights boys

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

haha, well why not. Fight for your rights boys

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

Well it's kinda hard to stand out as a gay marine. I'm mean the helmet, power armour grafted to your flesh, the blood and guts, the cybernetics.

Sometimes only colour and accessorizing can make you stand out ;P

 

[Timmehexas]

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

Well it's kinda hard to stand out as a gay marine. I'm mean the helmet, power armour grafted to your flesh, the blood and guts, the cybernetics.

Sometimes only colour and accessorizing can make you stand out ;P

I thought the thing that made me stand out was the big arrow pointing down my back towards my... wait nvm. I do like the little smiley face with Wheeee written on it though, maybe I'll just cover my armor in those.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

Well it's kinda hard to stand out as a gay marine. I'm mean the helmet, power armour grafted to your flesh, the blood and guts, the cybernetics.

Sometimes only colour and accessorizing can make you stand out ;P

I thought the thing that made me stand out was the big arrow pointing down my back towards my... wait nvm. I do like the little smiley face with Wheeee written on it though, maybe I'll just cover my armor in those.

Well that helps, but unless you regularly take of your combat pack and powerarmour, no one will see it :x As for the scrolls, yeah they are win ... with the wax smiley face ... so much better than prayers written by high ranking Ecclesiarchs.

 

[Timmehexas]

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

Well it's kinda hard to stand out as a gay marine. I'm mean the helmet, power armour grafted to your flesh, the blood and guts, the cybernetics.

Sometimes only colour and accessorizing can make you stand out ;P

I thought the thing that made me stand out was the big arrow pointing down my back towards my... wait nvm. I do like the little smiley face with Wheeee written on it though, maybe I'll just cover my armor in those.

Well that helps, but unless you regularly take of your combat pack and powerarmour, no one will see it :x As for the scrolls, yeah they are win ... with the wax smiley face ... so much better than prayers written by high ranking Ecclesiarchs.

Of course I take off my combat pack and armor off regularly how else would we start doi... Naughty, naughty I'm going to my corner now to teach myself a lesson about sex jokes.

[font color=white]That they're awesome...[/font]

 

[Polaris19]

I think we the players (trying to avoid "gamer) need to demand better if we want anything to change.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I take back what I just said, thats what I get for reading the first two pages then just giving up and skipping the rest. Give me that armor in green and I'd happily wear it, I just don't do pink. Actually after I take off everything I don't like it just looks like normal armor with a rainbow on it, I guess I'm just not stereotypical enough. *sighs* I need to try harder.

Well it's kinda hard to stand out as a gay marine. I'm mean the helmet, power armour grafted to your flesh, the blood and guts, the cybernetics.

Sometimes only colour and accessorizing can make you stand out ;P

I thought the thing that made me stand out was the big arrow pointing down my back towards my... wait nvm. I do like the little smiley face with Wheeee written on it though, maybe I'll just cover my armor in those.

Well that helps, but unless you regularly take of your combat pack and powerarmour, no one will see it :x As for the scrolls, yeah they are win ... with the wax smiley face ... so much better than prayers written by high ranking Ecclesiarchs.

Of course I take off my combat pack and armor off regularly how else would we start doi... Naughty, naughty I'm going to my corner now to teach myself a lesson about sex jokes.

[font color=white]That they're awesome...[/font]

I haven't done naughty in 5 months ;.; *cries and goes off to sit in the middle of walkways to find easy human contact* ;_;

On a less personal note I kinda like the hot pink ... but in the end go Escher 40k 'uniform' ... nothing like a bit of genderfuck when you're feeling angsty >.>

 

[Timmehexas]

Aww *pats* there, there. After this I think I'll actually have to go change my halo armor just for the lulz.

 

[Amund]

whats wrong with gay space marines?


Actually come to think of it, have a gay space marine as the main character in a hard core fps/action horror game would be kind of awesome. Have the guy be voiced all manly and stuff, shoot giant guns into overzealous monsters, then you find out that Casey, isn't his girlfriend but rather boyfriend he was trying to save from the alien-nazis-zombies who all wear lead hats.

 

[phryndmnnt]

i will say tho that Warhammer 40k space marines are the only ones i really like, but they were basically the first (i heard something about marines in star trek, but ive never watched it) and they have so much more personality.

Starship Troopers were first. And i friggin' love mentioning that.

Sorry for the double post, but i needed that quote to show up.

But Starship Troopers was a parody of the US Army ... 40 k is gothic science fantasy.

I'm not so sure about that. Heinlein's book, not that absurd movie which has little or nothing to do with it, seemed more like a comment on society and what it means to be a citizen, rather than a parody of the armed forces. It's been a long time since I read it, but I don't think you could consider it a parody.

And yes Starship Troopers was the first appearance of Space Marines. Although I think modern video games were most inspired by Aliens.