Can someone explain to me how this happens, where people come out of the woodwork to proclaim that by some divine proclamation dubstep/rap/death metal 'don't count' as music?
'[Insert genre I don't like] isn't real music'!
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It's just an offshoot of "Stop liking things I don't like!"
Mixed with a little bit of confirmation bias of "Oh, see, it's all just noise!" whenever you try to have them listen to a song from the genre.
It's silly, and I don't pay attention to it because in my mind, it is music, and that's what matters more to me.
Mixed with a little bit of confirmation bias of "Oh, see, it's all just noise!" whenever you try to have them listen to a song from the genre.
It's silly, and I don't pay attention to it because in my mind, it is music, and that's what matters more to me.
Well, there's KINDA a difference in my mind. Sure, music is technically just sound organized through time, and obviously metal/whatever other noisy genre with screaming is real music, but there's some crazy avant-garde stuff out there. Like, drone songs that are 11 hours long (like, literally, 11 hours) and that one piece of music that is actually just however many minutes of silence strike me more as peformance art than as true music, even though they both technically are music.
But anyone who calls any specific genre not real music is just insulting something they don't like, as said above.
But anyone who calls any specific genre not real music is just insulting something they don't like, as said above.
Usually it just means they're close-minded and have no idea of how to appreciate things that don't fit within their narrow tastes.
I'll admit I've yet to hear an example of dubstep, rap, or death metal that I actually like - and I'm unlikely to bother giving them any more chances by choice. But I'm not going to say none of it is music just because I don't like it. That's absurd.
ah yes....I rememberIamQ said:
he then went off and made a thread because of me
fun times XD
basically I got into this argument with a guy who claimed dubstep wasnt music....he was pretentious as fuck because he studied musicFroggy Slayer said:
after calling me an idiot several times his reasoning was (I kid you not) "my textbook says music is strings, percussion or wind...computers don't fit under any of those"
...yeah
Was that you? Oh man, I thank you so much for what you did.Vault101 said:
I remember that thread. He made it, telling everyone how annoying it was when people didn't want to listen to facts. Then everyone told him that his facts were wrong. Fun times were had. ^^
Oh, I remember this guy! Was he the one who said that using computers to create music 'doesn't require skill'?Vault101 said:
I feel left out now because everyone's talking about 'the incident' and I wasn't there. 
...At any rate, I think that there is a certain point where music is not music anymore and is just noise - I liken it to so-called 'modern art'. Once, I was watching the BBC News, and I kid you not, there was a piece of 'art' that was literally a bunch of twigs laying on the floor. That cannot honestly be considered art, just as certain pieces of 'music' cannot honestly be considered music.
...At any rate, I think that there is a certain point where music is not music anymore and is just noise - I liken it to so-called 'modern art'. Once, I was watching the BBC News, and I kid you not, there was a piece of 'art' that was literally a bunch of twigs laying on the floor. That cannot honestly be considered art, just as certain pieces of 'music' cannot honestly be considered music.
I must admit, it is strange how an artist can have a random arrangement of colours and still have something help us as art, and yet if a novelist wrote something with random letters, then there would be no chance of it ever being published.Remaiki said:I feel left out now because everyone's talking about 'the incident' and I wasn't there.
...At any rate, I think that there is a certain point where music is not music anymore and is just noise - I liken it to so-called 'modern art'. Once, I was watching the BBC News, and I kid you not, there was a piece of 'art' that was literally a bunch of twigs laying on the floor. That cannot honestly be considered art, just as certain pieces of 'music' cannot honestly be considered music.
I see where you're coming from and I can kind of understand why someone wouldn't see, say Stalaggh [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O5Px3_RJ3w] as music, but people will say it about anything they dislike. To use the examples in the OP, dubstep, rap and death metal all have recognizable rhythms and melodies, even if they're a bit abrasive sometimes. They all easily fit within every definition of music.Remaiki said:I feel left out now because everyone's talking about 'the incident' and I wasn't there.
...At any rate, I think that there is a certain point where music is not music anymore and is just noise - I liken it to so-called 'modern art'. Once, I was watching the BBC News, and I kid you not, there was a piece of 'art' that was literally a bunch of twigs laying on the floor. That cannot honestly be considered art, just as certain pieces of 'music' cannot honestly be considered music.
Did he just say that the entire electronic super genre doesn't count as music because his shitty textbook is only for orchestral music? Haha, oh wow, that's a whole new level of ignorant.TopazFusion said:
Damnit Topaz, these threads are hilarious. I'm supposed to be sleeping right now. Why did you have to ensnare me in this web of hilarious idiocy?TopazFusion said:
It is someone's biased opinion, not a fact. But an annoyingly biased opinion at the least.
Music can be anything, whether someone likes it or not.
It's just simple a matter of ignorance and being closed-minded.
Music can be anything, whether someone likes it or not.
It's just simple a matter of ignorance and being closed-minded.
Hmm, that reminds me....Froggy Slayer said: