Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

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Katana314 said:
I grudgingly admit he has a right to make what he's making. But I really don't want this mod to get any attention.

In case he didn't notice, in the Good vs Evil type of moral choice game, people inevitably pick good. People actually like feeling that they're doing something right, correct. There is none of that when you're playing as a school shooter. I'm certainly going to avoid this mod.

AS IF!!

I prefer to save my good doing for the real world! when I want a break from that and just want to be an evil asshole, gaming gives me a great outlet for that, that hurts no one!

the only people who in their 'escape from reality' prefer to be a do-gooder, are either humorless, taking it too seriously, or spend all their time in the real world being assholes!

P.S. no, that does not apply to a multiplayer games... pissing someone off in a game is the same as pissing them off face to face...


however, while I may have the control and... intellect to completely separate the two... I could believe others may not... I'm not sure if this is something that dumb people just can't do, or whether its their fault... but I am willing to believe that there are people who simple cannot, no matter how much they try, appropriately separate the two...

if this is the case, then unfortunately as it is probably completely untenable to manage these types of people, there does have to be some sort of sweeping restriction on this type of extreme content. and I'm not saying its 'just kids who can't tell the difference'.

but more study needs to be done into the effect games can have on certain types of people, and whether it can be held reasonably responsible. or whether it only tips people over the edge who have other issues that should be managed instead.

me, I liked the people at school, I'd prefer a game that let you creatively destroy tests and assignments! the people were fine! on the other hand, if I had been picked on at school, this might be something I would enjoy! (I haven't seen the trailer)
 

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"This has crossed the line" Oh really? What line?
"Innocents are being killed" And the guy you dragged from his car and shot to death in GTA wasn't innocent?
"Innocent children are being killed!" Like the child NPCs you can kill in Deus Ex? You can burn them alove or drown them in most of the Sims games, lets not forget all of the Fallout games! arguably even Bioshock lets you kill children... and these aren't exactly backwater games, these are huge, popular AAA games here. So why is a mod that lets you do this being hated so much then?
Seriously ? Are you so stupid that you cant see a difference between this piece of shit and Deus Ex, Fallout, Bioshock and even GTA ? Or are you just trolling ?

Here is a little hint, killing innocent children isn't the one and only feature, the only element that gameplay revolves around, in the games you mentioned. Which isn't the case in "School Shooter". In which your only purpose is to kill children for score (sic!).

Think about it.
 

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Popido said:
Splendid! Good to see some people actually trying to push the limits of what can be shown and what can be seen. Take it as an horror if you will. Risks are what this art form needs if it wishes to be taken seriously.

On serious note. There are better mods that dont just look like Garry's Mod.
How will pointless childishness that completely validates the public's worst fears about what gamers are like result in games "being taken seriously"?

Ed: Oh wait. Sarcasm. Headdesk.
Only tiny bit of sarcasms. :3

I dont care if the game itself is mature or childish. Its the subject that I want to defend here. As you put it: "completely validates the public's worst fears about what gamers are like". That is exactly why the development of this mod should not be stopped. Games these days tries too hard to not to be offending to anyones feelings. Not that all games should be offencing, but there are no risks or changes in our current developing cycle. The "evolution" has been put to hold.
 

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oy vey.

read only one page of this so far, and i hope to not read any more for that matter, and i have been presented with more seriousness than anything like this needs, if you like this sort of thing, then you shouldn't take it seriously, if it offends you you shouldn't take it seriously.

if you like it, you probably have a dark enough sense of humor to realize that no one is saying it's fun to kill REAL things that don't fight back, but things that don't fight back tend to die in hilarious ways.

if you are offended by it, why are you paying it attention? read about it, be appalled and then move on. focusing on it is not going to make it fade into the background. which is where it should be as it's not a full fledged game, and will never be.

personally, i see it for what it is, childish, unnecessary, and boring. it's a single aspect of GTA, Fable, Fallout, Saint's Row, Assassin's Creed, and many others: killing things that don't fight back and don't matter. there is nothing to care about in the mod and nothing to worry about outside the mod.

people are still going to kill children without this mod, they will still kill children DESPITE this mod, and nothing is going to change that.

and who here wasn't pissed in each Fable when you couldn't kill children when you got your sword? i don't know about you but if i am going to play as a wife killing demon incarnate, why the hell can't i kill children too?

i don't want to be a child murdering demon, but if you cannot kill them, why do they spout annoying lines every half second? WHY? fucking british accent and their "daddy buy me a present" >.<
 

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Why is shooting a janoitor worse than shooting a russian civilian ar a normal person in GTA?

Ideally, gamers who accept that video games shouldn't be particularly deep or insightful, and that they are most fun when they can just shut off their brains and let their reflexes take over.
But "dep and insightful" is what's fun to me. Shutting off my brain is not "fun" it's just boring.
 

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tzimize said:
Nice post, I guess I misunderstood what you feel presents his ability to reflect :)

I never said anything about empathy. You can reflect without caring about something (in fact thats the preferred scientific method, right? Observe and not interfere?).

Personally I feel the two sentences you quoted still put him across as a reflected guy. The first one, well a lot of games is about killing. In some way or another. Depending on how square you want to be, and how long you want to boil it for I guess he is correct (as he said most, not all). There are games that does not have killing in them of course, and a lot where it is not "the main focus". But still, I'd say its not terribly off the mark to say that most games boil down to that. Again, if you want to be square about it.

Gamers are a generally misguided, highly reactionary lot. Well...yeah. I agree. Gamers are not that different from other folks, only in their field of interest. Folks in general are...well imo pretty stupid. I dont really like, or get people. They have priorities I dont understand, and even find incredibly odd/silly. So in conclusion, most gamers are as stupid as the rest of the world. He seems reflected enough. :p
I suppose we ultimately do mean rather different things by "reflecting", for example I´m not really arguing whether his points are right or wrong, but rather that they tend to be really general and either not terribly well thought out or presented in a way that makes them look not well thought out.

And sorry, to say that "most games boild down to "bang-bang shoot 'em ups" and "murder simulators,"" is just an idiotic statement.
YOUR statement on the other hand

tzimize said:
The first one, well a lot of games is about killing. In some way or another. Depending on how square you want to be, and how long you want to boil it for I guess he is correct (as he said most, not all). There are games that does not have killing in them of course, and a lot where it is not "the main focus". But still, I'd say its not terribly off the mark to say that most games boil down to that. Again, if you want to be square about it.
is perfectly fine. Because you mention that it is at least somewhat a question of how "square you want to be", i.e. your perspective. You mention that there are games that do NOT have killing in them. And that he might not be "terribly off the mark", with which I suppose you mean that his statement is problematic in at least some way. Additionally, you use the quantifier "a lot of games", not "most", which DOES make a huge difference.
So you phrased your statement in a way that makes you look like a thoughtful individual.
He phrased his statement in a way that makes him look like an ignorant git.

And, yeah, from someone who works with such a VERY difficult subject matter (no matter how much he prattles on about that its just for fun) I expect better thought out statements, that show thoughts and reflection.
 

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I swear that Extra Credits just openly put their heads in their hands about EA's marketing strategy, but they would be saying a lot of the same points about this mod. Gaming has been on the fence for years now, to become a credible entertainment medium, and because of games that are just trying to throw shock value around are keeping the medium from being taken seriously as entertainment.

Some wanted a reason to assault the gaming industry...well, this mod is giving them a free pass. I believe wholeheartedly in the First Amendment, but I also believe in common sense, and the 'greater good' to an extent, and I highly doubt this will serve the 'greater good'.
 

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The premise alone is just sickening. I don't exactly know what type of person could create this. Of course, as I stand against censorship, I will fight to the death for the game's right to exist, but I will not be playing it myself. Besides, I lost all respect for the developer when he said this little piece here:

What do you think about the California bill proposing that violent videogames be illegal to sell to minors? Do you think the Supreme Court will vote in favor or against its adoption?

It is my hope that the bill passes. I'd be surprised if it doesn't. The type of kids who are especially eager to get their hands on violent games - who would attempt to thwart store policies by using fake IDs or dragging their friend's parents along to approve the purchase - probably shouldn't be playing the games in the first place. As much as gamers may have hated Jack Thompson (And as misguided and misinformed at the guy may have been), the point still stands that video games have the potential to impact certain susceptible minds. Yes, so do film and television and the rest of the media, as many gamers are eager to point out. But that doesn't actually negate the fact that games do, in fact, have an impact.
 

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I just looked it up on Youtube to see how it looks and took a closer look at the screen shot in the article to get a basic idea.

From what I saw I can only say this:

It's not okay to kill adult-looking NPCs in jumpsuits but it's perfectly fine to tear a parasite from a little girl while she's still alive just to mutate your genetic code? (Bioshock)

Sure, we don't see it, but that's what happens, and that game is considered "art" by a few people's standards.

I don't particularly have much of an opinion about the game itself, it looks like crap from the footage I saw. The subject matter is a little mindless but that's essentially the point, as the creator pointed out.

If you're really offended by this then don't download it, since this is just a mod that'll be made for download then it's really no different than most of the stuff I see on Newgrounds and mostly it's not going to hurt the gaming industry, sure people can point to it and say "look what people are playing!" but I can pull up a video on Youtube that'll be just as offensive.

People on the internet have the ability to be dicks and dicks they shall be, there's no point over-thinking it, that's just how things are. This game is no different than a holocaust-denier on Youtube or a Nazi fanfic writer on Deviant Art; it's another jerk on the internet, can you honestly say you're surprised by this?
 

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ShadowKirby said:
Malakor said:
Also, morals have changed up and down through the ages, I have no respect for them whatsoever. I do what I want, for whatever reason I choose. And I am happy.
There's no problem with that as long as you are not a dick to the people around you. I just hope you don't cut in front of old ladies at the grocery store because you try to be a "rebel" who doesn't care for the "moral norms" set up by "society".
What do I have to gain from doing that? Social acceptance is as much a reward as physical/mental pleasure so doing that would only go in opposite of human nature, which I see no point in. If it would feel good pushing old ladies, I sure would.

Slasher flicks use their stories as an EXCUSE for violence, not as a REASON. People don't watch slasher movies for the stories at all, it's just pasted on "because it has to". But why does it have to? Hypocritical morals.

Oh, and fiction should have no boundaries what-so-ever except that of supply and demand.

Cap said:
I swear that Extra Credits just openly put their heads in their hands about EA's marketing strategy, but they would be saying a lot of the same points about this mod. Gaming has been on the fence for years now, to become a credible entertainment medium, and because of games that are just trying to throw shock value around are keeping the medium from being taken seriously as entertainment.

Some wanted a reason to assault the gaming industry...well, this mod is giving them a free pass. I believe wholeheartedly in the First Amendment, but I also believe in common sense, and the 'greater good' to an extent, and I highly doubt this will serve the 'greater good'.
No, you do not support the First Amendment if there is a "but" after the sentence. Which is why that amendment is nullified with the banning of certain words in America, where I assume you're from. Not being able to say "******" UNLESS YOU'RE BLACK is a fine example of ironic racism at its finest.

Secondly, movies are taken seriously despite movies like "Salo", "Hostel" and "The Human Centipede", so your "the end is nigh"-argument is invalid.
 

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... I'm going to give it a whirl.

It kinda itches my 'dark' spot.

The one that plays JFK Reloaded to see where he can hit the first lady next.
 

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I can't beleive he siad games 'shouldn't be inspirational or deep'. It's a medium. You can't say that paintings only need to be classical, or films only need to be dramas.
 

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The guy has some very interesting points. Not a game I'd ever play, but he's definately put across some interesting ideas in that interview.

He does, however, come across as a cock. Just my opinion, however...
 

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This is disgusting, making a game based on killing children for fun? I know its his right to do so but still... that guy is a massive insensitive douchebag and I hope the media hang him out to dry on this one.
 

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Don quixote said:
Sephychu said:
Can I just take you up on this point? Several people have made it. Don't take the following personally, I mean it to everybody.

Why is the wholesale slaughter of your fellows okay if they've done bad things? Nay, you've been told they've done bad things. Why does innocence even come into it at all?
You kill a man or woman, you take away somebody's son or daughter, somebody's brother or sister, somebody's best friend, someone's father or mother. You take a life.
Why is that fine and dandy if they're bad people?

Killing people is one of the only objective wrongs in this world, and nobody has any right whatsoever to do it, even in revenge. That makes you just as sad an excuse for a human being as anybody who has killed too.

So why then, is this in any way bad? By playing it, you aren't killing anybody, you're putting yourself in that mindset, for fun. If you wanted to go out and do it for fun, you would. Instead, one plays a game about it.
Some people don't join the army, they play Call of Duty, or Bulletstorm, or whatever the hell they like. Games in which you kill people are nothing new. They're archaic.

This game has every right to be made, played and enjoyed, just like films about this kind of thing, just like paintings of this kind of thing, just like books about this kind of thing. If you don't like it, fine. 'The medium' as it is called should be allowed to depict anything it wants any way it wants.

Oh, and to all you people quoting Extra Credits, I got the impression from their video on 'Six Days in Fallujah' that they regarded games that dealt with touchy subject matter as good things, not bad things. Just some food for thought.
There is a difference in context here. It's a little lazy of me to cite Movie Bob and not go do some real research, but he articulated the point I am trying to say incredibly well on "The Big Picture" episode about Political correctness.(The episode name is "correctitude") Breaking sensitive Taboos has to have a purpose or you are just being a jerk. In the interview Pawnstick as much as said this is violence for violence sake.

"Will students or teachers ever fight back in the game? Why or why not?

The fun in killing the "innocent" NPCs is the fact that they are incapable of fighting back. It's more intuitive to leave it to law enforcement to try and end the player's spree, rather than the terrified fleeing members of the student body."

and again

"Given the constant attacks from mainstream media against videogames for portraying violence, why would you give these fanatics more ammunition to dismiss games as childish at best and harmful at worst?

Because that's exactly what games are. The media is right to dismiss games as "bang-bang shoot 'em ups" and "murder simulators," because at their core, that is exactly what most games boil down to. Take Bulletstorm, for example: It is pretty much the full embodiment of what the media assumes games to be. It's humor is crude, it's writing is dumb, and it's gameplay is ultra-violent. And that is exactly what makes it so appealing, not only to adults, but also to kids."

He isn't making something that would be protected under the constitution regardless the medium. legally this game is the very definition of obscenity, and Pawnstick says as much.
While your argument is valid, I'd say he is doing it for a reason. Or, even if he isn't, he is achieving something, albeit unknowingly.
He's moving 'games as art' forward. As long as games are just colourful romps in green paradise or gruff testosterone rampages they can still be fun as hell, and great in their own right, but some people will never take them seriously as art, or even anything particularly moving. Even though the way this man has chosen to portray the violence may be insensitive, he's doing it, and nobody else around has the gall to do so. If a game like this gets made, however sucky it is, it's a step towards some studio being able to do it right in a world where people won't scream at htem for touching on the subject matter, right?
 

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I find myself agreeing with some of his opinions, but on the other hand he seems very full of himself and quick to dismiss any of the responsibility that comes along with making a product like this. I find the game's concept and everything to be revolting, but he does have a point about mindless shooters like Bulletstorm to be essentially the same at their core. The concept of having sex with a prostitute, then robbing and killing her afterward in GTA seems about as morally reprehensible as anything in this game, so it's not like he is some lone madman in the game industry. Still, I think it's pretty irresponsible of him to shake it all off as lightly as he does. It reflects poorly on all gamers, and if indeed someone cited his game as an influence in a real-life killing, I think he might not feel the same way as he claims he will. That type of narcissistic lack of empathy is the same thing that murderers have, so he should be worried if he really does wind up feeling that way.

If you get to kill Barney, as the screenshot on the final page implies, that might be worth playing though :p

final note: how did something like this come to fruition but Black Mesa: Source is still stalled in development!?!
 

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I've seen this reported on multiple sites now. It sucks, it's a terrible concept, and it sounds to me like he's trolling the gaming populace (esp. the smarter ones). The best we can hope for is that Fox News or the Supreme Court doesn't pick up on this. He can say whatever he likes, but having games banned would be horrendous, and we all know it.
 

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I haven't read through the entire 18000 pages of comments, so...

Why does this 'game' remind me so much of JFK RELOADED? Probably because both projects' leads sounded like retarded 10 year olds when interviewed. I'm surprised there isn't any bonus points awarded for killing any preggers! The sad thing is, with so many great mods out there, this one will probably have the most downloads. Too bad too, because the mod looks like shite.