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"My review isn't very good, but as far as I know it's the best that's been written so far on MGS, and one of the best game reviews written so far. The only reason my review isn't very good is because I've pretty much had to do all of the thinking about how videogames work myself because almost no one else writing in this area has any brains, so I have nothing to build on. I guess the reason none of you like my review is the same reason that writing on the field is in the state it's in. "

You're either quite the blatant troll or the most arrogant **** I've seen on this site.
If Gigantor took a shit on his computer, it would still compare favorably to this.
 

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steamednotfried said:
Meado said:
I've never really liked the MGS series. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I just would have been perfectly happy to never play it, or maybe pick it up in a bargin bin in a few years time. That said, I disagree with pretty much all your points. I'm not going to go into detail as I can't be bothered right now. Maybe once I've slept...
steamednotfried said:
You guys are all idiots, you just don't understand. This is why a peice of crap like the MGS series can be so popular.
steamednotfried said:
I have never before received such unanimously negative feedback for any of my writing, so I had another look through my review just to check. While the delivery is slightly awkward at times, it is a good analysis of the gameplay and if you guys can?t see that then god help you.
Your reactions to these comments aren't helping your case. Simply saying "you just don't understand" or "if you guys can?t see that then god help you" just makes you sound egotistical, as if you rate your opinion higher than ours. It is an extremely snobbish move, and one that isn't going to make you any friends.
Also, as a general rule, never tell people what you think of your own work. EVER. If you say you think it's good it appears self-centered, and if you say it's bad/ok people will think you're faking modesty. That's not you specifically, it goes for everyone.
I don't care how immodest I seem. I call the review intelligent because it needs to be distinguished from the rest of the shit on the net. My review isn't very good, but as far as I know it's the best that's been written so far on MGS, and one of the best game reviews written so far. The only reason my review isn?t very good is because I?ve pretty much had to do all of the thinking about how videogames work myself because almost no one else writing in this area has any brains, so I have nothing to build on. I guess the reason none of you like my review is the same reason that writing on the field is in the state it?s in. Still though, I usually get a couple of appreciators when I post, maybe it?s the time of year.
Wow lose the fat headed attitude jesus. No wonder your getting such negative comments, don't think of yourself as the be all end all reviewer like your doing now. Being a condescending prick to people doesn't mean you or your review are the absolute truth.
 

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harhol said:
The review itself isn't that great but I found NewClassic's incomprehensible & bitter trolling to be far more offensive.

If you cannot remove the subjective elements from a review, then you shouldn't be writing a review.
You have no objectivity in this piece, and it really kills your points.


Uh, what? It is impossible to be anything approaching objective when writing a review of any entertainment medium. The process of cultural review is the very embodiment of subjectivity.

The idea that reviewers have to provide some kind of proof for each point they make is also ridiculous.

"I didn't like the interface"
"Prove it!"
"I, uh, didn't like it..."
"Conjecture."
But you should at least give a point on WHY exactly you don't like said interface, otherwise it's just pointless claim.
 

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steamednotfried said:
Meado said:
I've never really liked the MGS series. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I just would have been perfectly happy to never play it, or maybe pick it up in a bargin bin in a few years time. That said, I disagree with pretty much all your points. I'm not going to go into detail as I can't be bothered right now. Maybe once I've slept...
steamednotfried said:
You guys are all idiots, you just don't understand. This is why a peice of crap like the MGS series can be so popular.
steamednotfried said:
I have never before received such unanimously negative feedback for any of my writing, so I had another look through my review just to check. While the delivery is slightly awkward at times, it is a good analysis of the gameplay and if you guys can?t see that then god help you.
Your reactions to these comments aren't helping your case. Simply saying "you just don't understand" or "if you guys can?t see that then god help you" just makes you sound egotistical, as if you rate your opinion higher than ours. It is an extremely snobbish move, and one that isn't going to make you any friends.
Also, as a general rule, never tell people what you think of your own work. EVER. If you say you think it's good it appears self-centered, and if you say it's bad/ok people will think you're faking modesty. That's not you specifically, it goes for everyone.
I don't care how immodest I seem. I call the review intelligent because it needs to be distinguished from the rest of the shit on the net. My review isn't very good, but as far as I know it's the best that's been written so far on MGS, and one of the best game reviews written so far. The only reason my review isn?t very good is because I?ve pretty much had to do all of the thinking about how videogames work myself because almost no one else writing in this area has any brains, so I have nothing to build on. I guess the reason none of you like my review is the same reason that writing on the field is in the state it?s in. Still though, I usually get a couple of appreciators when I post, maybe it?s the time of year.
Actually the reason I don't like the review is your writing. It's clear that you don't have much experience writing video game reviews, because if you were experienced, you'd know that you have to write for your audience. A lot of the sentences are a struggle to read, because you're trying so furiously to make it sound "intelligent". Even if it wasn't a failed attempt at writing in this style, this style could go far over the heads of some potential readers. You've got to remember that a lot of kids play videogames. And, granted that I don't know this for certain, the few appreciators you get probably didn't read the review. They saw the "big" words and assumed it to be a good review, without thinking.

Your review is a textbook example of the "pompous" writing style. Big words, a flat tone, self-important phrasing, and excessive usage of the passive voice. All of this could have been overlooked if the points you make were good ones, though. You should read some positive reviews of Metal Gear Solid, to see why people like the game. Maybe you'd understand why people have such a problem with this piece.

Is this the worst review ever? Not even close. Is this the most frustrating review I've read? Yes, because you have the ability to write a fantastic review.

P.S. It would help a lot of you took criticism better. Saying that you wrote the best review in video game history just frusrates your audience further.
 

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steamednotfried said:
I have never before received such unanimously negative feedback for any of my writing, so I had another look through my review just to check. While the delivery is slightly awkward at times, it is a good analysis of the gameplay and if you guys can?t see that then god help you.
Look, most people aren't disagreeing with your points as much as the fact that you didn't back anything up. If you can't at least see what the largest criticism you've received is, then god help you.
 

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mjhhiv said:
steamednotfried said:
I don't care how immodest I seem. I call the review intelligent because it needs to be distinguished from the rest of the shit on the net. My review isn't very good, but as far as I know it's the best that's been written so far on MGS, and one of the best game reviews written so far. The only reason my review isn?t very good is because I?ve pretty much had to do all of the thinking about how videogames work myself because almost no one else writing in this area has any brains, so I have nothing to build on. I guess the reason none of you like my review is the same reason that writing on the field is in the state it?s in. Still though, I usually get a couple of appreciators when I post, maybe it?s the time of year.
Actually the reason I don't like the review is your writing. It's clear that you don't have much experience writing video game reviews, because if you were experienced, you'd know that you have to write for your audience. A lot of the sentences are a struggle to read, because you're trying so furiously to make it sound "intelligent". Even if it wasn't a failed attempt at writing in this style, this style could go far over the heads of some potential readers. You've got to remember that a lot of kids play videogames. And, granted that I don't know this for certain, the few appreciators you get probably didn't read the review. They saw the "big" words and assumed it to be a good review, without thinking.

Your review is a textbook example of the "pompous" writing style. Big words, a flat tone, self-important phrasing, and excessive usage of the passive voice. All of this could have been overlooked if the points you make were good ones, though. You should read some positive reviews of Metal Gear Solid, to see why people like the game. Maybe you'd understand why people have such a problem with this piece.

Is this the worst review ever? Not even close. Is this the most frustrating review I've read? Yes, because you have the ability to write a fantastic review.

P.S. It would help a lot of you took criticism better. Saying that you wrote the best review in video game history just frustrates your audience further.
Out of all of the responses so far on this thread, mjh seems to have hit the closest to what we've all been saying this whole time. Excellent post, mjh.

And to you, steamednotfried, you could be doing so much more with your potential. Try your best to use it, not abuse it.
 

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Yes, the review isn't great. It's a little pompous (like MJH said above) and it is in dire need of an editor to cut fat. Still, this review is a hell of a lot better than some of the reviews we've seen here. We've raised the standards here because of the writer's use of the word intelligent, and his unpopular view of the game.

I've removed some of your posts. Specifically ones that were calling the OP names. Don't take it personally, and don't take it to mean that you can't criticize this user's writing. Without criticism we don't get better. Calling people names isn't providing feedback, and it has nothing to do with the review forum. Yes, we should be critical, but we can find a way of communicating with each other that doesn't cause people to feel unwelcome in this forum and at The Escapist.

Please keep the criticism constructive and the insults at a minimum.

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It's a decent enough review, and while I experienced many of the same issues as you, they never really succeeded in destroying the experience.

I did enjoy that your writing style has improved from your previous piece, and is now not as needlessly complex, as well as having a more organic flow.

I also would like to add that while the act of saying its intelligent obviously sets it apart, it places you up for criticism from the die-hard fanboys.
 

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Not intelligent, more of a rant. You seem like the kind of guy who likes FPS games not stealth based games like MGS.
 

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mg66368 said:
Now that I'm being a comfortist to the MGS fanboys, I have one last thing to say; The MGS games storylines are about as provacative as a PBS cartoon.
QFT. The OP should have focused on the horrible story/complete divorce of narrative and gameplay rather than criticizing the stealth mechanics. I don't like the MGS series all that much, but as far as stealth titles go the gameplay isn't all that bad.
 

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boholikeu said:
mg66368 said:
Now that I'm being a comfortist to the MGS fanboys, I have one last thing to say; The MGS games storylines are about as provacative as a PBS cartoon.
QFT. The OP should have focused on the horrible story/complete divorce of narrative and gameplay rather than criticizing the stealth mechanics. I don't like the MGS series all that much, but as far as stealth titles go the gameplay isn't all that bad.
How is the story horrible? The story is probably one of the greatest stories in gaming. It makes you think about the world and about philosophical subjects like Free Will, What technology might do if we let it control ourselves, Why war is bad, and the like. To me, its the greatest way to tell people what Kojima really believes about everything, and it got me thinking about life in a different way.
 

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Ok so I pretty much stopped reading the review when you said that the player isn't given enough information. Seriously, you are trying to argue THAT point?

Metal Gear Solid gives you nothing but information, if anything it gives you too much information. This person is bad. Sneak through this place and stop these people before this thing is deployed and destroys stuff. This guy was evil but now he is good. Oh no you got captured, better escape from your cell. That's a giant robot. It's probably best if you blow that thing up.

I skipped to the end of the review and saved myself 5 minutes of pure agony. I'm not English teacher, but I don't think your review is supposed to just come to a halt like it did. You are originally talking about essential items and then you stop. Was that crack about a 9.8 score supposed to be the ending or did you realize that the dribble you were writing probably sucks more than your original opinion of whatever game you were supposed to be talking about. Seriously, what game are you even talking about in this "review"?

Was this review a joke or were you really trying to get some obscure point across? I'm embarrassed to have read one horrid word of this thing.

(If you want a GOOD MGS4 review that isn't incomprehensible and offensive, check my review out that I just finished. Now on The Escapist forum! YA PRODUCT PLACEMENT!)
 

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Don't start with saying it's terrible. You'll come off a bit strong and few people who are biased even a little bit towards MGS series will keep reading.
 

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Don't start with saying it's terrible. You'll come off a bit strong and few people who are biased even a little bit towards MGS series will stop reading.
It is terrible. All this author does does for paragraph after paragraph is ***** and complain about things I question he even knows anything about. It almost sounds like he was just doing it to piss people off. This was more of an incoherent rant than a review anyways.

And I know a good game when I play one. Metal Gear Solid as a series is great and I DO admit that it definitely won't appeal to everyone. Just because i'm biased to something doesn't mean I can't be right or wrong.

Saying something is intellectual is one thing, but when you completely abandon any intelligent thought and just troll your way through dozens of paragraphs to try and explain a point you were finished explaining in the first sentence...

...well that is another thing. And the author definitely went the route of that other thing.
 

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MrBrightside919 said:
4thegreatergood said:
Don't start with saying it's terrible. You'll come off a bit strong and few people who are biased even a little bit towards MGS series will keep reading.
It is terrible. All this author does does for paragraph after paragraph is ***** and complain about things I question he even knows anything about. It almost sounds like he was just doing it to piss people off. This was more of an incoherent rant than a review anyways.

And I know a good game when I play one. Metal Gear Solid as a series is great and I DO admit that it definitely won't appeal to everyone. Just because i'm biased to something doesn't mean I can't be right or wrong.

Saying something is intellectual is one thing, but when you completely abandon any intelligent thought and just troll your way through dozens of paragraphs to try and explain a point you were finished explaining in the first sentence...

...well that is another thing. And the author definitely went the route of that other thing.
I don't care that it's terrible, it's not the game I'm reviewing, it's the review.
 

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Ok, first up, you're review is very, very long. If you expect people to read and get anything from it, I would suggest cutting it down significantly (I could be wrong in assuming you write with the motivation of someone reading, but that's the only actual motivation I can see anyone having).

It jumped out at me early on the you used the term "interesting and dynamic" twice in a few lines, this kind of repetitiveness makes things difficult to read, especially large blocks of text (that was the only example that jumped out at me, but it was badly articulated enough for me to bring it up).

Everyone else seems to have pointed this out, but I will again because that's kind of annoying person I am, if you intend to label something as 'intelligent' make sure you have solid points, do not focus on game play elements you dislike as there is no doubt other people do like them, and you're implying they are unintelligent. People dislike this (even if they are). You also seem to be judging the game on an unfair bias, such as the limited movement of the character and his inability to replicate real life scenarios such as entering the opening as you lowered yourself into the flat position. Hardly fair and if you judge all games by this criteria you must surely hate all games, especially platformers.

You also spend a lot of time talking about specific scenarios where things could work better, such as snake sneaking out behind boxes to see what's around the corner etc. You should avoid this and keep criticism more simple, especially when you are revisiting a point you have suggested earlier.

steamednotfried said:
Another disgustingly unintuitive ?puzzle?, is when you are faced with a fat man prancing about, laying bombs, on roller-blades. He is, on the whole, immune to bullets, but if you shoot him enough times in quick succession, he will fall and lay on the ground waiting for you to shoot him in his exposed head, only to take a little of his health before the process repeats. How is the player supposed to know to do this? There is no way of working this out with your brain, you could only discover it out my accident. And so, what?s the point in presenting it as a challenge at all? The puzzle can only be solved by luck, and so it is not interesting! So do not waste our time with it! But the one thing that frustrates me more then the development team thinking they can insult my intelligence with such a task, is that many of the writers for popular videogame websites and magazines pay particular praise to these boss battles. What is wrong with them?
If that wasn't obvious, the is always to option of calling someone on (I forget what it's called) the nano machine phone thing, and they will tell you or at least hint at the bosses weakness, although you have listed a particularly weak example as if you shoot the fat man with an rifle or automatic weapon, you can see him getting pushed back and losing his balance, suggesting that if you hit him consistantly he will fall down. This whole point is fairly poorly researched, you clearly didn't give this particular boss fight any time or attention. It also suggests that you haven't played through the entire game (and possibly not the entire first game) as there were far more, for lack of a better word, retarded bosses than the fat bomb man like the undead vampire man with magic water that for some reason can't die or the phsycic that makes you switch the controller port, ruining the immersion of the game.

Finally you overuse loaded language, describing flaws as ?crippling? or ?terrible? at the top of the paragraph but failing to demonstrate how they are anything more than minor annoyances (such as the AI being unpredictable, bad camera angles etc). These problems are not unique to metal gear solid and certianly do not render the game completely unplayable. You come across as having a blind hatred for the game and seem to eager to highlight minor issues, making the whole reveiw feel shallow.

Alright thats it, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on other games, because I actually tend to agree that the whole metal gear franchise is immensely overrated, and everyone likes hearing people say what they think.
 

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RedDiablo said:
boholikeu said:
mg66368 said:
Now that I'm being a comfortist to the MGS fanboys, I have one last thing to say; The MGS games storylines are about as provacative as a PBS cartoon.
QFT. The OP should have focused on the horrible story/complete divorce of narrative and gameplay rather than criticizing the stealth mechanics. I don't like the MGS series all that much, but as far as stealth titles go the gameplay isn't all that bad.
How is the story horrible? The story is probably one of the greatest stories in gaming. It makes you think about the world and about philosophical subjects like Free Will, What technology might do if we let it control ourselves, Why war is bad, and the like. To me, its the greatest way to tell people what Kojima really believes about everything, and it got me thinking about life in a different way.
One of the golden rules of storytelling: show, don't tell. Even if you are able to forgive the cliched plot twists and asinine dialogue, there is no excuse for artlessly having the characters spell out the game's main themes in speech after speech. It's just sloppy.

Not to mention that none of the themes in MGS are all that new, and they've all been done better (even in other games). I know this is going to make me sound really pretentious, but if MGS made you think about life differently you haven't read that many books (or seen many movies).
 

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Pffft I could of ranted better than this. It makes me want to try the game myself because there are sooo many people saying it's one of the greatest games and others saying it's flipping horrible!

Maybe I will make my own review and I would have to check out this so called amazing story, the dialogue better not be as shocking as it is in Golden Sun.
 

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boholikeu said:
Not to mention that none of the themes in MGS are all that new, and they've all been done better (even in other games). I know this is going to make me sound really pretentious, but if MGS made you think about life differently you haven't read that many books (or seen many movies).
Yeah. I'll admit to that.

The year was 1998. People wouldn't shut up about Monica Lewinsky here in the States; some folks still talked about OJ Simpson. I was 13 and Tom Clancy was boring as hell. I hadn't heard a Russian accent since they stopped showing reruns of Rocky and Bullwinkle and I hadn't had a history class that covered post-Cold War politics.

For a while, I thought it was pretty fucking deep. I thought it was some avant-garde Adult Info You Should Know, like the fact that politicians are not trustworthy people and that European colonists were generally dicks. I wondered when they'd get around to giving that Hidie-o Cojimmy guy a medal for letting people know about the dangers of nuclear weapons.
 

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Dr Faust said:
Yeah. I'll admit to that.

The year was 1998. People wouldn't shut up about Monica Lewinsky here in the States; some folks still talked about OJ Simpson. I was 13 and Tom Clancy was boring as hell. I hadn't heard a Russian accent since they stopped showing reruns of Rocky and Bullwinkle and I hadn't had a history class that covered post-Cold War politics.

For a while, I thought it was pretty fucking deep. I thought it was some avant-garde Adult Info You Should Know, like the fact that politicians are not trustworthy people and that European colonists were generally dicks. I wondered when they'd get around to giving that Hidie-o Cojimmy guy a medal for letting people know about the dangers of nuclear weapons.
This made me laugh. I like you. =)