DAMN SKIPPY!Drauger said:
If the game is stylised, that's fine, I can accept outlandish costumes, but when it's a game pushing for grimm hyper reality, certain things need to be practical.
IO Changed Hitman: Absolution Following Nun Controversy
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If the game is stylised, that's fine, I can accept outlandish costumes, but when it's a game pushing for grimm hyper reality, certain things need to be practical.
But seriously, folks. It wasn't the violence or the sexism that got Hitman fans' panties in a bunch, it was the dumbness.
The "What's the point of wearing a disguise if you're just gonna use a rocket launcher?", "Why wear a disguise just to take it off as soon as you get there?", "Why bring a whole crew if you're just gonna use a rocket launcher?", "Is he putting coins on their eyes becasue they think that all Hitman fans are Boondock Saints fans?", "Seriously, none of them can get a shot off on this guy while he's dancing around? They're all armed, right?", "Is there any fucking stealth in this stealth game, please?", dumbness.
The "What's the point of wearing a disguise if you're just gonna use a rocket launcher?", "Why wear a disguise just to take it off as soon as you get there?", "Why bring a whole crew if you're just gonna use a rocket launcher?", "Is he putting coins on their eyes becasue they think that all Hitman fans are Boondock Saints fans?", "Seriously, none of them can get a shot off on this guy while he's dancing around? They're all armed, right?", "Is there any fucking stealth in this stealth game, please?", dumbness.
I'm getting really, really tired of the political correctness pervading games journalism as of late. Really sick and tired of it.
People need to grow up.
Not everything is "misogynist". If the PC-brigade had their way, then video games would turn into all American sitcoms. The ones where every male is a blabbering, useless, cowardly idiot who is lucky to have found the matriarchal beautiful genius he currently lives with. Equality =/= Misandry ?
To be fair, gaming is the only medium outside of literature that portrays realistic characters, both male and female. It doesn't mean every game needs to be politically correct however.
People need to grow up.
Not everything is "misogynist". If the PC-brigade had their way, then video games would turn into all American sitcoms. The ones where every male is a blabbering, useless, cowardly idiot who is lucky to have found the matriarchal beautiful genius he currently lives with. Equality =/= Misandry ?
To be fair, gaming is the only medium outside of literature that portrays realistic characters, both male and female. It doesn't mean every game needs to be politically correct however.
Well if you want the game to be practical lets add all the things an assasin would need to be like 47 in the end we end up wiht splinter cell like character:Rellik San said:
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Why do they dont add all that stuff?, well because fictional world were a bald clone can pull out all that stuff without wearing all those pockets and stuff on..... like the nuns pull out the rocket launcher and other weapons out of god knows where
Wasnt there a whole level in Hitman: Blood Money about two night clubs (heaven and hell) that featured scantily clad women as well?IndomitableSam said:
I first read the article as "IO Changed absolutely nothing following Nun controversy". You know, I think I would have preferred that. A company sticking by its guns - its stupid, stupid guns - is probably better than homogenized for-the-masses grey sludge. And isn't that Absolution in a nutshell.
I'm pretty sure that when Pointman was raped, it wasn't described as a means of "building his character" or developing him into a stronger person. Part of the backlash is to do with people noticing how many stories feature women getting raped, for the purpose of defining how/why they are a strong female protagonist. Pointman is an uncommon male exception in a videogame, and it isn't in there to provide a reason for why he is strong - he just is.Kopikatsu said:
The old "what about the menz", argument? Comedy male gimps are not really same issue. It isn't as if they are being sexualised for female gamers, is it? They are there to provide comic relief and "urgh, that's disgusting" cringe humour for (presumably) male (presumably) hetrosexual gamers. Compare that to Bad Girl, who is quite clearly meant to be titillating, like all the women in NMH.
It wasn't to build his character, throughout the game he had been built up. You find files saying how important he is. You see what happens to his team who aren't as strong as he is. At the end when he gets raped, its all taken away from him. He loses his mind. It breaks him down completely.maninahat said:
Funny that, they took away Lara's strength after she was built up to, and it wasn't even graphic rape.
Lara pissed people off because this new game is an origin story, and the HR guy made the mistake of implying that Lara's tough, individualist demeanor stemmed from an attempted rape. That follows on from what I was just saying about how "tough" women in stories tend to have been raped in the past and "that's why they're tough". That kind of thing never happens to explain why a man is tough.dogstile said:
Plus there was that remark about how rape was used to "make us care for her". He really did put his foot in it.
Can you people not read or something? I said "it isn't in there to provide a reason for why he is strong". That was the point I was making: male rape in serious stories isn't treated as a character building exersize. For women, it seems you need to suffer an attempted rape before you can become tough.Kopikatsu said:
I did however confuse Beckett for Pointman. Same difference.
This is going to be quite interesting methinks; if they have actually changed that level so it's an interesting, well developed level rather than adolescent pandering to sell a game (as opposed to striving to make it an actually -better- game) then it'll show a -vast- step in the right direction. Hell, it wouldn't be hard to just make some small changes and start moving towards a less stupid approach to games. Unfortunately, I'm somewhat expecting something in the nature of this sort of thing to happen. Oh well. Now we can only wait and see what hand we are dealt.
And if it was just an outcry about how the marketing guy spoke about it, then I would be ok with that. But it wasn't, it turned into a "rape should never be used as a storytelling tool" argument which is completely fucked up. Rape can be used as a powerful tool to tell a story and while it should be used carefully and sparingly, it should still be available for someone to use it.maninahat said:
Hell, I don't even think I can think of many games at all except fear and the new lara croft game where rape is even the reason the character is tough as all hell (excluding the eastern market, I don't like the aesthetic style).
Sure, its probably a shitty attempt at using it as a story attempt, but it bothers me that people are giving them such a hard time over giving it a try. Its a damn hard subject to tackle.
Hm. We'll see how this goes. It's nice that they recognize the controversy and want to avoid causing any more, but who knows if they'll do what's actually being asked of them.