Wary Gyse is going off on that.Cloudwolf616 said:His Facebook is bad!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sean-Sherlock-TD/185032148201312
In the time of the internet and Anonymous, violent rebuttal is Barbaric. Just hope Anon gets enough support to send them a bit of hell.Combustion Kevin said:bugger that, call up the french and break out the guillotines.
revolution up in this ************!
OT: let's hope we won't notice much of it's influence until some bright mind reverses this act, how enthusiastic is ireland in enforcng these kinda things, anyway?
well, it DID work at the time, didn't it?JoesshittyOs said:In the time of the internet and Anonymous, violent rebuttal is Barbaric. Just hope Anon gets enough support to send them a bit of hell.
If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Your profile says your from the UK, so it seems like you might have a bias.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
You make it sound like the Black and the Tans are Ireland's fault.Dejawesp said:People really shouldn't try to justify the IRA. Few people did as much to damage to Ireland's independence as the IRA.
Whenever a British general wanted more troops or machinery to send to Ireland to keep the peace he could always count on the IRA to blow something up. Then he could point and go "See how unstable Ireland is? We need an even larger military presence there to protect them from themselves"
I'm sorry what? This is like saying that the French Resistance in the Second World War was wrong Look sometimes you have to use armed resistance. Yes I do think in the long term that Ireland being independent was inevitable however armed struggle speed that up much quicker.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Edit: OT: and we call ourselves the free world. SOPA and its ilk have just made it clear to me that democracy is just another form of dictatorship in its own way, except rather than governments oppressing the people, it's governments allowing greedy, self-interested individuals to oppress the people. Remember, in politics, principles can always be ignored when they become inconvenient.
I'm going to go cry in the corner now.
Why yes indeed, I am from the UK. It may also interest you to know that I have links to the British armed forces so I am well aware of how this could be interpreted. However, my mother's side of the family are actually from Belfast, and were driven out of their home by sectarian violence. So believe me, I know both sides. I admitted in my post that the people the IRA claimed they were fighting for did suffer injustice. I don't deny that. However, in my book people lose any sympathy I may have had for their plight the moment they take out their anger on innocent people, or to even endorse those actions. Nothing excuses terrorism, nothing.Volf said:Your profile says your from the UK, so it seems like you might have a bias.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
As I said, I'm not referring to the current IRA, but the "original" IRA
Let me start off by saying that, while I'm fully aware that the British occupation of Eire was morally suspect at best, we were not the Nazi's.370999 said:I'm sorry what? This is like saying that the French Resistance in the Second World War was wrong Look sometimes you have to use armed resistance. Yes I do think in the long term that Ireland being independent was inevitable however armed struggle speed that up much quicker.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Edit: OT: and we call ourselves the free world. SOPA and its ilk have just made it clear to me that democracy is just another form of dictatorship in its own way, except rather than governments oppressing the people, it's governments allowing greedy, self-interested individuals to oppress the people. Remember, in politics, principles can always be ignored when they become inconvenient.
I'm going to go cry in the corner now.
Look the IRA actions in the north after it became clear that it wasn't going to be part of the Republic were different, but in the South the struggle for Independence was IMHO a good and right thing and the IRA was the instrument through which it was carried out.
You might not have been Nazi's, but the same can't be said for the people who took part in Bloody Sunday(the 1920 and the 1972 one). Also the black and tans are far from innocent peopleNinjaDeathSlap said:Let me start off by saying that, while I'm fully aware that the British occupation of Eire was morally suspect at best, we were not the Nazi's.370999 said:I'm sorry what? This is like saying that the French Resistance in the Second World War was wrong Look sometimes you have to use armed resistance. Yes I do think in the long term that Ireland being independent was inevitable however armed struggle speed that up much quicker.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Edit: OT: and we call ourselves the free world. SOPA and its ilk have just made it clear to me that democracy is just another form of dictatorship in its own way, except rather than governments oppressing the people, it's governments allowing greedy, self-interested individuals to oppress the people. Remember, in politics, principles can always be ignored when they become inconvenient.
I'm going to go cry in the corner now.
Look the IRA actions in the north after it became clear that it wasn't going to be part of the Republic were different, but in the South the struggle for Independence was IMHO a good and right thing and the IRA was the instrument through which it was carried out.
Second. Yes, the IRA's liberation of the South was justified. However, I am of the opinion that what they went on to become and the acts of terror they committed then undermined the credibility they had before. The moment you resort to terrorism to achieve your aims, you make a mockery of everything you stand for, in my opinion.
I'm actually daring to feel slightly positive. David Cameron being the staunch supported of the Union that he is, I reckon he'll be determined to do the exact opposite of everything the Irish government says is a good idea.Andaxay said:... Bollocks. We're screwed.Adiona said:Well...look at our PM >.>verdant monkai said:My deepest condolences maybe if there is enough public outrage you can get rid of it. Makes me a bit nervous, being a denizen of the uk, I hope this blight wont infect us here.
Damn, this is bad news. I feel for the citizens of Ireland right now. I really hope this isn't the start of something.
NinjaDeathSlap said:Why yes indeed, I am from the UK. It may also interest you to know that I have links to the British armed forces so I am well aware of how this could be interpreted. However, my mother's side of the family are actually from Belfast, and were driven out of their home by sectarian violence. So believe me, I know both sides. I admitted in my post that the people the IRA claimed they were fighting for did suffer injustice. I don't deny that. However, in my book people lose any sympathy I may have had for their plight the moment they take out their anger on innocent people, or to even endorse those actions. Nothing excuses terrorism, nothing.Volf said:Your profile says your from the UK, so it seems like you might have a bias.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
As I said, I'm not referring to the current IRA, but the "original" IRA
I'm not clear what you mean by the 'current' IRA. I know what the IRA was originally, but the terrorist organisation that it became isn't exactly what I'd call 'current' anymore. The peak of it's activity was almost half a century ago. In 'current' terms the IRA doesn't even exist anymore as one central organisation.
I've heard a lot of people quietly mention that the SOPA-esque bills won't have anywhere near the impact we believe, and we are actually just allowing ourselves to be manipulated by the pirates that fear their affluent businesses will go down the pan, and because we really like stealing music and movies and pretending there's nothing wrong with it.Th3Ch33s3Cak3 said:I have a feeling I'll be flamed for this, but I feel like the only person on this island to support the law
SodaDew said:And now were one step closer to a Revolution...
No you weren't that's true. However you still were an occupying force. It's not suspect but wrong. I'm not going to rant about you about English sins as honestly if the boot was on the other foot I'm pretty sure we would of done the same but still...NinjaDeathSlap said:Let me start off by saying that, while I'm fully aware that the British occupation of Eire was morally suspect at best, we were not the Nazi's.370999 said:I'm sorry what? This is like saying that the French Resistance in the Second World War was wrong Look sometimes you have to use armed resistance. Yes I do think in the long term that Ireland being independent was inevitable however armed struggle speed that up much quicker.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Edit: OT: and we call ourselves the free world. SOPA and its ilk have just made it clear to me that democracy is just another form of dictatorship in its own way, except rather than governments oppressing the people, it's governments allowing greedy, self-interested individuals to oppress the people. Remember, in politics, principles can always be ignored when they become inconvenient.
I'm going to go cry in the corner now.
Look the IRA actions in the north after it became clear that it wasn't going to be part of the Republic were different, but in the South the struggle for Independence was IMHO a good and right thing and the IRA was the instrument through which it was carried out.
Second. Yes, the IRA's liberation of the South was justified. However, I am of the opinion that what they went on to become and the acts of terror they committed then undermined the credibility they had before. The moment you resort to terrorism to achieve your aims, you make a mockery of everything you stand for, in my opinion.
Did I ever say they were? I know we oppressed Ireland, and I consider our actions there to be one of the biggest black marks in our history (and coming from us that's saying something). All I'm saying is that I don't think oppression excuses terrorism.Volf said:You might not have been Nazi's, but the same can't be said for the people who took part in Bloody Sunday(the 1920 and the 1972 one). Also the black and tans are far from innocent peopleNinjaDeathSlap said:Let me start off by saying that, while I'm fully aware that the British occupation of Eire was morally suspect at best, we were not the Nazi's.370999 said:I'm sorry what? This is like saying that the French Resistance in the Second World War was wrong Look sometimes you have to use armed resistance. Yes I do think in the long term that Ireland being independent was inevitable however armed struggle speed that up much quicker.NinjaDeathSlap said:If by "made a difference" you mean 'devalued the injustice imposed on the people they claimed to represent by bringing nothing but misery and destruction to innocents though their own misguided aggression and bigotry', then yes.Volf said:I realize that they are a former shell of what they once were, but they made a difference in the last century, wouldn't you agree?MiracleOfSound said:Why do people keep saying this, even in jest? I don't think people realize what the IRA actually is today...Volf said:So perhaps the Irish need to use the IRA again.Cloudwolf616 said:The Irish version of SOPA has just passed today and will be in effect soon ignoring a signed petition of 80,000 voters which is quite a big number of people over here.
Edit: OT: and we call ourselves the free world. SOPA and its ilk have just made it clear to me that democracy is just another form of dictatorship in its own way, except rather than governments oppressing the people, it's governments allowing greedy, self-interested individuals to oppress the people. Remember, in politics, principles can always be ignored when they become inconvenient.
I'm going to go cry in the corner now.
Look the IRA actions in the north after it became clear that it wasn't going to be part of the Republic were different, but in the South the struggle for Independence was IMHO a good and right thing and the IRA was the instrument through which it was carried out.
Second. Yes, the IRA's liberation of the South was justified. However, I am of the opinion that what they went on to become and the acts of terror they committed then undermined the credibility they had before. The moment you resort to terrorism to achieve your aims, you make a mockery of everything you stand for, in my opinion.