strangeotron said:
JeanLuc761 said:
I'm a bit confused. How was Gears of War 2 a failure in any way, shape or form? By all accounts it's substantially more popular than Gears 1, and it was also better designed. It was financially and critically successful.
Either way, the ONLY problem I have with CliffyB is his apparent disdain for PC gamers (Where's my GoW2 and GoW3 Cliffy?!), but he's never earned my ire or even my hate.
You didn't play it on release then, obviously. A complete and utter mess online surrounded by a wall of media hype and the arrogance of this smug jackass. Not once did any of those involved apologise for their broken crap or even fix it, despite a number of useless and stupid updates. They haven't the first clue what they are doing and couldn't handle the success they received fromt he first game. Instead they chose to ban anyone that dissented from the view that 'EPIC ARE GOD' or 'GEARS IS AMAZING' on their forums, regardless. Such blatant disrespect is why I think 'CliffyB' deserves scorn not praise; yet here we go again, he's got his face in the press/websites and everyone can't wait to shake his hand.
Wow, you weren't happy with a game, therefore designer equals next Hitler. No seriously, I mean I don't like Cliffy B. enough to rush to his defense at every mosquito attack, but what you're saying is not only ridiculous and I should really leave it at that, but quite frankly hopelessly ignorant. But I'm going to do you a favor and set your mind straight, if only to set an example for anyone else with the telemetry to post something like this, on ANY other matter.
Firstly, I would love for you to name any game that doesn't have any kind of broken mechanic, bugs, issues or general failures ESPECIALLY in multiplayer upon release, hell even a year after a release bugs are always found. This is the thing about consumers, they're ungrateful little dipshits sometimes. Unless you have it exactly the way you want it, you're going to go onto the internet and wail like a Japanese sailor during the Humpback mating season. So they have issues with the game, fine it's frustrating, you're allowed to have that, but when they fix it you expect a public apology? Did you also want the designers to self-flagellate themselves with a hooked nine tails? Also you're acting like Cliff was solely responsible for the entire game, as if he has eight arms working on 14 computers round the clock to build a game from scratch. Competent designers want their games to be perfect, but they don't expect them to be. No reasonable expects them to be. Designing games isn't a matter of typing a bunch of codes into a computer and then hitting enter. Game designers are architects, more than architects, imagine engineering a building in non-existent space, then doing that a million times making sure each of the buildings are touching, but never touching to close, making sure that each building has the right amount of ventilation, heating, insulation, living space and a nice little playground in the community area. That's what designers do, if you're a religious person, you'd know even God fucked up some of his grandest designs.
Also about an earlier comment you made about how Cliff takes attention away from 'real game designers', as if the guys over at Valve and Obsidian are crying in the corner because he made a 30 second video to promote the release of one of his own games, seriously? Also you ignore the fact that he has in several interviews praised the works of other studios, assisted other companies in designing their games, has publicly acknowledge the downfalls of his own products and vows to improve them despite massive commercial and critical success, being the head of his studio he is also expected to play friendly with the media (and has done quite a good job of it as you can tell by his reception here on the Escapist) - but no, even if you knew, you wouldn't care - because you couldn't play GOW2 multiplayer on release.
It pisses me right off when people aren't happy with something so they blow it out of proportion, if you weren't happy about the multiplayer you could have just acknowledge that, have your right to be pissed about that and let it be. But you try to justify your side and write an argument that you thought would make you sound reasonable and intelligent. People should really show designers more respect, the people of the industry keep you happy and no one aims to make you miserable. So stop taking it so personally.
P.S. Also I'm not picking on you, I'm just sick of seeing people post stupid shit and letting them get away with it.