Is Cyberpunk 2077 going to be best CDPR game ever?

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B-Cell said:
CDPR are mediocre developers whoes only one game get huge success despite being overrated.
Okay, let's clear up a mistake you're making with word definitions. The definition of "overrated" is not "any popular game B-Cell doesn't like".
I thought it meant any game that is well received, ever. Unless it's underrated, but then by being declared as underrated it quickly becomes overrated.

Why can't a game ever be just "rated"?
Because buzzwords is all we need to operate on to generate "movement".

OT: I don't know. Possibly? I mean REDs were on an upward stream, starting from a fairly janky point, with each next title being a general improvement. Will they keep it up with Cyberpunk, making it bigger and better than Witcher III? Hopefully, though i don't really want "bigger" part. The talk about verticality of levels sounds way more interesting.
What i'm worried about is first person gameplay(NOT perspective[footnote]Speaking of which: Why are people worried about it again? It's been a standard in AAA rpgs for a while now. Haven't heard much complains about Skyrims, Fallout or Deus Ex for that matter.[/footnote]). Story will probably be solid, as it always was in their titles.
 

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Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
 
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B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Eh, each to their own.
 

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B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.
how can it done better in pnp games? they are not video games. they are board games where you couple with friend play some role ie waste of time.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.
Yeah, but p&p requires imagination. That's not immersive. Not badass either.

Jokes aside, I've yet to play a single video game remotely as immersive as even a mediocre p&p rpg session. But what do I know?
 

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P&P can be boring or can be amazing, you just need a devoted group to make the most of it. I've had times where half the group was busy using their computer to surf the internet when it was not their turn and only me and another person were really engaged and those sucked. When you get everyone actually wanting to make it work though, and when people know how to RP and aren't just treating it as a videogame, it's really fun and the sheer amount of options you have available to you can never be matched.


In other news (more related to cyberpunk) I remember hearing a couple days ago that Sarkeesian was trying to get a job meddling in this game due to some issues it had. What were those issues exactly? I looked and never found much about what supposedly required her "help" XD. (it might just be her being broke based on new information and there might not have been an issue there at all I guess)
 

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B-Cell said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.
how can it done better in pnp games? they are not video games. they are board games where you couple with friend play some role ie waste of time.
The ability to create your own solutions to a given problem is why immersive sims are special. Of course, without the limits of a video game, you can think of and try just about any solution imaginable in PnP games while video games are very static in many regards.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.

Well then, why even bother making a video game if the PnP is infinitely better?

Or in other words, what does the video game offer that makes it worthwhile over the PnP that inspired it? There has to be something.

Having said that, there seems to be a decent amount of condescension and elitism surrounding board games, almost like how people compare books and movies. Not sure why there is always a need to compare two completely polarized things as if they were built with the same intentions. They each have their own strengths to provide engaging content in its own way unique to a given medium.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Phoenixmgs said:
B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.

Well then, why even bother making a video game if the PnP is infinitely better?

Or in other words, what does the video game offer that makes it worthwhile over the PnP that inspired it?
You can play a story based video game by yourself. You don't need a group of 4-8 people with matching interests and schedules who all care as deeply about playing as you do. It's really hard to get such a setup going and even harder to maintain over the duration of a campaign as lengthy as one that you'd encounter in your average game. Also, most people are worse at role playing than the average game writer so the kind of stories told often will be less coherent or epic. Still, the potential in P&P is unmatched. You just need all the planets to align to realize it.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Well then, why even bother making a video game if the PnP is infinitely better?

Or in other words, what does the video game offer that makes it worthwhile over the PnP that inspired it? There has to be something.

Having said that, there seems to be a decent amount of condescension and elitism surrounding board games, almost like how people compare books and movies. Not sure why there is always a need to compare two completely polarized things as if they were built with the same intentions. They each have their own strengths to provide engaging content in its own way unique to a given medium.
Video games having the execution part to them that PnP games can't do (well, technically they can but not very well as there are dexterity games but you won't be seeing any leagues starting playing dex games really outside of like crokinole). In a video game you have to time an attack or dodge, execute an attack, etc. Whereas in a PnP game, you roll a dice to see how good you swung a sword. Video games convey the feeling of you actually doing something far better than you can do with PnP/board games. Mastering some boss fight in say Sekiro or doing something in Dishonored like StealthGamerBR is a much different feeling that rolling a 20 in DnD. Much of what Dreiko said as well.

It's mainly that board games are in a golden age right now and video games are in a pretty shit place. It wasn't until about the last 10 years that board games were really amazing, you'd have the occasional good one, but for the most part they weren't good games. And PS2 era and down, video games were better on the whole. A good game is a good game regardless of medium. TV is in a better place than movies right now whereas the reverse was true for 50+ years. It's not about which medium is "better" but which medium has better content presently.

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they are board games where you couple with friend play some role ie waste of time.
And a video game isn't a waste of time...why?
it depend. if game is good. or masterpiece. it well worth a time.
It's really hard to make a good AAA game in the current environment. Every game has to sell like 10 million copies to be successful so it can only have elements that appeal to everyone. There's very little passion that goes into AAA games and most games are more akin to a product created on an assembly line vs a piece of art anymore. Whereas you can make a very successful board game about growing fucking TREES (Photosynthesis) but you can't even make a video game with a female lead because the focus group doesn't... oh shit, that's why you don't like anything but video games as most appeal to your very very specific preferences of dudes shooting other dudes...
 

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Chimpzy said:
Phoenixmgs said:
B-Cell said:
Zykon TheLich said:
I just wanted to point out thay 2077 was first teased in 2013 and will allegedly release in 2020.

I think it'll be good, but disappointing. It will never live up to the PnP RPG for me, no matter how good it is.
well its a video game. its definitely better

playing pen and paper board games to me is like.. waste of time. its just so boring.
Don't you realize everything you love about immersive sims is done at least 100x better in PnP games?

What do you think inspired [https://geekandsundry.com/how-dungeons-dragons-inspired-warren-spector-to-create-deus-ex/] Warren Spector to create Deus Ex? I hope you don't need more than one guess.
Yeah, but p&p requires imagination. That's not immersive. Not badass either.

Jokes aside, I've yet to play a single video game remotely as immersive as even a mediocre p&p rpg session. But what do I know?
Some people require their story spoon feed to them
 

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Smithnikov said:
Oh good god, seems that the journos are already shitting the bed again on 2077.

"Context EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED CREATOR doesn't matter"

FER FRICK'S SAKE, people, do you want Gamergaters? This is how you get Gamergaters!
Context?
 

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Smithnikov said:
Oh good god, seems that the journos are already shitting the bed again on 2077.

"Context EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED CREATOR doesn't matter"

FER FRICK'S SAKE, people, do you want Gamergaters? This is how you get Gamergaters!
All the criticism of the game so far that I've read has been constructive. GamerGate was the product of a propaganda campaign by shady political ideologues that had, at the end of the day, nothing to do with video games or video game journalism and everything with radicalizing and indoctrinating young people to support reactionary ideas. We're still feeling the consequences.
 

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PsychedelicDiamond said:
Smithnikov said:
Oh good god, seems that the journos are already shitting the bed again on 2077.

"Context EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED CREATOR doesn't matter"

FER FRICK'S SAKE, people, do you want Gamergaters? This is how you get Gamergaters!
All the criticism of the game so far that I've read has been constructive. GamerGate was the product of a propaganda campaign by shady political ideologues that had, at the end of the day, nothing to do with video games or video game journalism and everything with radicalizing and indoctrinating young people to support reactionary ideas. We're still feeling the consequences.
Haha, it's funny how you can apply this, word for word, to the people they were reacting to as well. Like the whole feminist angle in relation to video games feels not to be about them either but rather about overarching society and games are addressed only insofar as they relate to other ends instead of being ends in and of themselves.

I could count in one hand the times concepts like diversity or representation were touted as being good to have for the sake of actually improving the game. Usually it's either to make society better through indirect contact or to satisfy the politics of the player who may feel offended knowing they are playing a game that disagrees with their politics (and don't let me get started on how dumb THAT is, though that's a whole other can of worms lol, I'll just say when you are given Lovecraft and your takeaway is "raysis" you are reading wrong lmao)


I think the rational response is being against everyone in this situation.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Well then, why even bother making a video game if the PnP is infinitely better?
PnP takes a lot of mental investment and the right people.

Video games are more compact in the experience and ready to move.

They both are great, simply for different reasons and investments.