Is it ever okay to camp?

[Kenko]

Sometimes you have to hold ground because theres nowhere else to go.

But I dont like camping when an entire "Attacking team" in BFBC2 rush sits around camping with recon and does nothing but snipe and call mortar and not even doing it properly. Thus leading to the few that do attack are outnumbered and outgunned.

It really depends on the game tbh.

The worst is when they get into tanks and snipe... with a tank... I've seen plenty of tanks just sitting there long range camping on the attack team.

like anything in BC2 its situational, if youve managed to steal a tank from the attackers then you should be allowed to take it and do what the F*** you want with it you deserve it. Same with helos, if you can succesfully steal an enemy helo they deserve to be spawn raped with it

If you are on attacking team on maps like Port Valdez and you camp with the tank, yer gimping the entire team. Tanks are great battering rams in capable hands, but useless buckets of bolts when an imbecile camps 1km in the rear lobbing shots at the enemy and never hits a thing. If you manage to steal a helo, do what you wish. But when people simply sneak accross the map to ninja vehicles its just annoying. First pickings should be for friendlies, if they take it and then abandon it, it should be free pickings for all.

 

[WOPR]

Yeah I dont camp though but It doesnt piss me off when people do as long as the entire team isnt doing it.

I... *cough* have the "It's a legitimate strategy!" shirt

but yeah camping's okay, the only people who whine about it are thoes that don't expect it or expect you to play the way they play (despite your killing them over and over)

so it's okay, but expect some poor-sports.

 

[Ildecia]

i have to camp in games where you have to turtle down for a few minutes or such.

In some of the halo games, or some FPS i played recently, i remember playing a few maps where i had to turtle down and wait until the backup came in and did a herp-a-derp shuffle all over people

 

[WOPR]

why can't people understand this...

there is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to thinks like camping. if the game allows you to do something, then it is perfectly OK. even though most gamers condemn it and look down on campers, it does not mean its cheating. if a game was intended to allow camping, then camping is just as much of a 'legitimate strategy' as anything else.

in short, there is no such thing as 'OK' and 'not OK' in camping. because in the end you can't do shit about it.

It's okay if the game lets you, finally someone who understands that haha!

the only thing I can think of where camping is BAD, would be Metroid Prime Hunters, where if you camp in a certian mode it says "CAMPER DETECTED!" and everyone gets an arrow pointing at you on their radars.

 

[flaming_ninja]

Don't spawn camp, that's it. End of story.

Games like Battlefield Bad Company 2 have made it impossible for people who sit in one single spot the entire game to win so camping isn't really all that great a strategy, but don't spawn camp that is the worst gooddamn thing you can do, it's absolutely beyond contempt.

what? did you just say camping is impossible on bad company 2?

i take it youve never had the pleasure of defending on port valdez when half the enemy team is sniping on the hill

also you always NEED that one guy to sit next to the M-comm with a shotgun

i dont spawn camp on BC2 i spawn rape (with their own helos), i will sneak into the enemy spawn and kidnap there helicopters. the amount of times ive been attacking on isla innocentes on the final base were we have a aquired the Hind, that base doesnt stand a chance when up against a hind and a blackhawk

I didn't say it was Impossible I said it was stupid and "Impossible to win" if you stay in ONE spot the entire round, because you will lose your head very fast even if you are a skilled sniper the enemy will spot you and deal to you very quickly. For example on every rush map yes the defending team can camp respectively but if you kill a couple of guys sitting in one spot without moving to another piece of cover you're going to die very soon.

Also your comment on the spawn raping, asshats do that.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Tell you what:
If this was real life, would you just charge blindly into enemy territory without checking first?

 

[Ramare]

In Real Life? Yes.
In Games? No.
In MW2, Whenever I See A Camper, I Riot Shield Them To Death XD

Excellent strategy! I always find it fun to slowly move towards someone while holding the riot shield and laugh as they panic fire into the shield and hope they don't have Semtex!

I do the same thing, to a certain degree. I slowly move up on them with it, grinning as they panic fire into it, hoping they do have semtex, rather than frags, or C4, because they'll stick me, and I use I blast shield, so I will survive the most common explosive, but generally not the others. Then when they run up to me to try to exploit my shield with a knife, I quickswap to the pistol with tacknife I always carry, and stab them in the balls. Hilarious shit. I never use the shield for attacking, it's stupid. I use the shield as the piece of equipment it really is.

OT: Camping is fine. If someone is sitting somewhere, and you can't kill him, then he's just better than you.
If someone is "camping" an objective, then they aren't.
If someone sits somewhere until someone runs around a corner/through a door/in front of a window/across the base of a building with an accessible rooftop, than fucks their shit up, and runs like hell, that isn't camping either. That's ambush tactics. That fits under geurilla warfare tactics.
If someone runs into a building, checking for campers, runs over to a window, sees someone, and shoots them, that isn't camping either. It may look like it, because you don't know they just entered the building, but they did. And yet because you're all fucknuggets, who can't listen to reasoning, or ration explainations, you just assume they were camping. Annoying shit, right there.

Personally? I love campers. Pick your poison and kick their ass for a relatively free kill.
Your options are as follows:
Option A: Shotgun/SMG backattack.
Option B: Medium range AR/LMG countersniping.
Option C: Long ranger sniper rifle countersniping.
Option D: Knife backattack.
Option E: Explosives, under which effect are: C4, Frags, Semtex, M203s/GP-25s, AT4s/RPG7s, and, last and certainly least, if not the funniest, sneak up behind them, plant a claymore, and shoot it.
Option F: Go special operations on their asses. Don't run up at them, flank them, use silenced weapons, or small caliber pistols, as they make the least noise, kill anyone in your path, watch out for claymores, sneak up behind/beside them, and execute them.

 

[gabe12301]

No one even uses snipers for camping in mw2 not when the auto aim allows them to be used as assault rifles.

 

[shootthebandit]

Sometimes you have to hold ground because theres nowhere else to go.

But I dont like camping when an entire "Attacking team" in BFBC2 rush sits around camping with recon and does nothing but snipe and call mortar and not even doing it properly. Thus leading to the few that do attack are outnumbered and outgunned.

It really depends on the game tbh.

The worst is when they get into tanks and snipe... with a tank... I've seen plenty of tanks just sitting there long range camping on the attack team.

like anything in BC2 its situational, if youve managed to steal a tank from the attackers then you should be allowed to take it and do what the F*** you want with it you deserve it. Same with helos, if you can succesfully steal an enemy helo they deserve to be spawn raped with it

If you are on attacking team on maps like Port Valdez and you camp with the tank, yer gimping the entire team. Tanks are great battering rams in capable hands, but useless buckets of bolts when an imbecile camps 1km in the rear lobbing shots at the enemy and never hits a thing. If you manage to steal a helo, do what you wish. But when people simply sneak accross the map to ninja vehicles its just annoying. First pickings should be for friendlies, if they take it and then abandon it, it should be free pickings for all.

i dont know why but valdez seems to collect the biggest amount of retards, camper hill is such a horrible place any sensible defender will mortor the shit out of camper hill.

once i got into camper hill when the attacker were at the building site (2nd base) i somehow managed to get up there and i owned but thats only because noone expected me to be there, when you spawn there you aint gonna last long

on the subject of valdez noobs, me and my squad once decided to play with the enemy. we got them to thier last base and we had thier apache and thier blackhawk and we took our time with the objectives whilst raping them from above

 

[-Samurai-]

Tell you what:
If this was real life, would you just charge blindly into enemy territory without checking first?

Since when do campers check anything? They sit in corners like scolded dogs. They don't go anywhere so they obviously don't check for anything.

I don't know why people start a game if they're not going to play it.

 

[shootthebandit]

Don't spawn camp, that's it. End of story.

Games like Battlefield Bad Company 2 have made it impossible for people who sit in one single spot the entire game to win so camping isn't really all that great a strategy, but don't spawn camp that is the worst gooddamn thing you can do, it's absolutely beyond contempt.

what? did you just say camping is impossible on bad company 2?

i take it youve never had the pleasure of defending on port valdez when half the enemy team is sniping on the hill

also you always NEED that one guy to sit next to the M-comm with a shotgun

i dont spawn camp on BC2 i spawn rape (with their own helos), i will sneak into the enemy spawn and kidnap there helicopters. the amount of times ive been attacking on isla innocentes on the final base were we have a aquired the Hind, that base doesnt stand a chance when up against a hind and a blackhawk

I didn't say it was Impossible I said it was stupid and "Impossible to win" if you stay in ONE spot the entire round, because you will lose your head very fast even if you are a skilled sniper the enemy will spot you and deal to you very quickly. For example on every rush map yes the defending team can camp respectively but if you kill a couple of guys sitting in one spot without moving to another piece of cover you're going to die very soon.

Also your comment on the spawn raping, asshats do that.

im seen a few sniper stay in the same spot for the entire base (succesfully) sometimes you need an attacking camper to spot and clear some of the enemies for the objective guys. if the majority of the attackers are recon they aint gonna get very far

why is it an asshat dominating with thier helos, if they arent going to defend thier assets properly then they deserve what they get

 

[Bloodstain]

In real life, you'd die if you didn't camp.
That's why I think it's okay in games as well. I'm a bit of a roleplayer.

 

[Shock and Awe]

As its been said already, its a legitimate strategy. Total Dick move; but a legitimate one.

 

[flaming_ninja]

In real life, you'd die if you didn't camp.
That's why I think it's okay in games as well. I'm a bit of a roleplayer.

Real life isn't relevant, realism has always been attempted to be attached to this genre but I don't think it should be and if it were it would have to go all out, no game to date have I ever seen with realistic gun ballistics, there isn't a part in Call of Duty were you're adjusting the zero range of your sights and noting the ballistic curve because that would break gameplay and bore non-fanatics although it is something I would like to see if done well. In real life you don't get to respawn, in real life defibrillators don't recover bullet wounds. I understand the immersion which you could get from a realistic shooter but one like that just doesn't exist.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

In Real Life? Yes.
In Games? No.
In MW2, Whenever I See A Camper, I Riot Shield Them To Death XD

Excellent strategy! I always find it fun to slowly move towards someone while holding the riot shield and laugh as they panic fire into the shield and hope they don't have Semtex!

I must ask, what is it that the Doctor is saying with that weird expression on your avatar? xD

 

[Miffmoff]

If you cover the majority of these points

Do you have a sniper rifle? Yes
Will your actions change the entire outcome of the game? No
Are you defending something? Yes
Are you countersniping? Yes
Is your secondary weapon to be used as only a last resort or a pistol? Yes


Camp away

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Tell you what:
If this was real life, would you just charge blindly into enemy territory without checking first?

Since when do campers check anything? They sit in corners like scolded dogs. They don't go anywhere so they obviously don't check for anything.

I don't know why people start a game if they're not going to play it.

Touche.
But Jetpacks would fix it.
Jetpacks fix anything.

 

[Blt3200]

I think its a situation type of thing like defending an objetive thats fine acually i think at anytime its ok really

 

[tahrey]

3 occasions:

* when you're in a field and it looks like it might rain
* actual sniping
* you feel like being an asshole; ie upping your kill/death ratio without caring what anyone thinks of you.

the validity of the third one is entirely personal opinion.

 

[Lyx]

If the fairness of a game depends on someone not using a certain tactic, then the gamemechanics are flawed. This does not mean that abusing it is fine - it just means that using the tactic shouldn't be giving one a generic advantage.

In the case of camping: Permanent camping (contrary to just using it as a surprise ambush), makes one predictable. Well designed gamemechanics allow to exploit such weaknesses. This also is true if the camper is protected by escorts. Some people lock down a room? Well, they're all sitting there nicely close to each other - i oughta be able to exploit that, right? Not? Who designed THAT?