Is Mass Effect an jRPG?

Cenequus

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More exactly the second one. Now i know even Bioware said they were inspired by Final Fantasy and all but I always dissmised claims like that in general just because people always use classic games more often to say what type of games they loved/grew up rather than what their game actually looks up.

Now for Mass Effect 2,first of all I really enjoyed them game and the only flaws I could bring to it are how limited it is when it comes to side quests(still a 30ish hours game so not bad overall),almost absent if not lacking at all RPG elements(you can take almost any new FPS and it has pretty much the same in depth rpg elements) and some characters. Now I know putting big points like that one might think it's actually a big deal but even with those I really enjoyed the game.

Now what makes of it an jRPG: well for one to a certain degree the linearity but not by itself it's a linearity that includes side quest(not sure if I explained myself properly).

Second the characters,while for one they aren't 13 yr old kids(I'm sure there are jrpg with adults somewhere) with few exceptions(Jacob and Miranda only come to mind now)the rest are pretty much jRPG clichès. A good example is the behavior a Jacob and Tali vs their respective fathers. But overall any can fit some jRPG archetype and those that know them better could actually make examples for each,this includes Liara,Tali,Thane,Legion,Garrus,Jack with personalities I probably wouldn't dislike that much if I didn't had "normal" personalities(Jacob,Miranda as i said) to compare them.

Now nothnig wrong in the end and I can say I finally liked a jRPG but I made one fatal error that made me reflect more on this subject and open to disscusion...I visited the bioware forum for ME. My mind exploded not at the amount of fanfic that can rival any anime,manga or japanese game but the actual war btwn fanbois of this char vs another. And I mean hundred of thousand of posts with threads having thousand of pages about how much they loved Liara or Tali.

Now I always thought Bioware will take the best of ME1 and ME2 and easylly make out of ME3 the best game ever but I don't know since people think unmasking Tali is a higher priority than bringing back the skill system or the upgrade/modding of weapons and armor.

TL;DR I liked ME2 even if it's an jRPG...kinda...both.
 

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Mods are coming back. [http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3#Weapons]
And I don't really play JRPGs, so I wouldn't know
 

Ninjamedic

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Not having played it I'd say it looks more akin to a TPS. Which is a good thing, shows how the genre can develop.
 

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Mass Effect actually lets you develop a personality for your character via dialog choices. JRPGs lock you in to what the designers want you to do. There really aren't any RPG elements in JRPGs, so the term is definitely a misnomer.

And, for the record: stats do not equal role playing
 

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It isn't an RPG, it's a third person shooter with RPG elements. A great third person shooter series, with some great characterization and writing mind you but the RPG aspect has always been bad. The first games RPG elements weren't any better than the second, they were pointless. A game where you only pick between two well-defined character types and are punished for mixing them, is not a good RPG period.

Still a great series though.

Also, not all JRPG's are like that. You're just assuming the entire genre is Final Fantasy, and you're treating the term JRPG like an insult.
 

Rawne1980

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JRPG = Japanese Role Playing Game.

Bioware = Canadian.

Mass Effect was made by Bioware thus not a JRPG.

It doesn't matter if it was influenced from that genre it isn't Japanese so it isn't a JRPG.
 
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Sorry mate, but it's not. If it were a JRPG, all the characters would look like 3D versions of anime stereotypes, the combat would be turn-based and melee focused and Shepard would have been a teenage boy. I know I'm just listing stereotypes of the genre here, but ME really is too "realistic" (for lack of a better word) to be classed as a JRPG.
 

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http://myfacewhen.com/248/

I think the only way it could be less like a JRPG would be to take out all the RPG elements and just make it a straight up third person shooter.
 

Teh Jammah

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Lessee...

No BFS's, everyone uses guns
The Villain doesn't have long white hair
Nobody has crazy hair
Complete absence of bishounen (although I suppose you could tweak Shep a little towards this if you really tried)
You don't have a kawai anthropomorphic sidekick
No turn based combat
No 'random' encounters
Developed by a western game developer...

... no, not a jRPG. It's debatable whether or not 2 is even an wRPG as opposed to a cover based shooter with lots of talking. Maybe it borrowed a couple of things from jRPGs that worked, maybe it didn't. But it is not a jRPG.
 

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namewon said:
A jRPG is a RPG made in Japan.
Mass Effect is a waifu simulator but it's still not a jRPG.
/thread
I'm talking mostly about the traits it has that are more akin to jRPG rather western RPGs. As I said at first they were only small pieces of glass,something I was seeing as small imperfections but when i visited the bioware forum and actually put those pieces together that was the conclusion I drawn.

poppabaggins said:
Mass Effect actually lets you develop a personality for your character via dialog choices. JRPGs lock you in to what the designers want you to do. There really aren't any RPG elements in JRPGs, so the term is definitely a misnomer.

And, for the record: stats do not equal role playing
Of course I'm not locking it into your usual mass produced jrpg was just pointing major elements and to a certain degree predominant ones.

Sure stats don't equal role playing but not having them removes alot of that element.


Teh Jammah said:
Lessee...

No BFS's, everyone uses guns
The Villain doesn't have long white hair
Nobody has crazy hair
Complete absence of bishounen (although I suppose you could tweak Shep a little towards this if you really tried)
You don't have a kawai anthropomorphic sidekick
No turn based combat
No 'random' encounters
Developed by a western game developer...

... no, not a jRPG. It's debatable whether or not 2 is even an wRPG as opposed to a cover based shooter with lots of talking. Maybe it borrowed a couple of things from jRPGs that worked, maybe it didn't. But it is not a jRPG.
You look at the technical and visual part of it. And while yes I don't see guys that look like girls with pink hair,when it comes to personalities I see that. 80% of Paragon Shep's dialogue is a freaking joke. And Liara turned from ME1 to 2 into some angsty teenager. Just making some examples.
 

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I sware the next time someone mentions JRPGS clichés i will stangle a puppy....
And no, they are canadian developers, so it ain't a JRPG, even if it was inspired by them.
 

Zhukov

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No, not really.

However, I suppose there are enough similarities to justify a comparison.
 

Brutal Peanut

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No, it isn't. It's a TPS with RPG elements.

I don't think they are so much JRPG cliches, as they are just game character cliches. You can only make so many characters with so many problems. Parent issues/tough types/assholes who really do have some feelings way down deep inside - all games have them. So are all games JRPGS because only so many character types are used? No. Also, it wasn't made in Japan which is a big part of a JRPG being a...J-RPG....and there's none of

I also hate Jacob and Miranda as characters. Boring and useless. The only time I ever used Miranda was at the end, because she wont die through the suicide mission and I didn't want anyone else to die so I chose her to do a lot of everything, besides the tech specialist part. Or maybe you are just xenophobic and/or racist against aliens and only think Humans are the BETTER and normal characters to compare to.

SHAME ON YOU OP! FOR SHAME!
 

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namewon said:
A jRPG is a RPG made in Japan.
Mass Effect is a waifu simulator but it's still not a jRPG.
/thread
A waifu sim? I'm getting fucking tired of hearing that. Just because a game has romance doesn't make it a waifu simulator.
You are worse than half the idiots on /v/. I swear to god, just because a game has romances, that makes it a waifu simulator? What the hell is wrong with you? Jesus christ, it's an OPTIONAL romantic encounter.
You can bang a ghoul in FO3, so I guess that is a "Shitty waifu sim 0/10 are you even trying bethesda"
Is KotOR 2, widely regarded as one of the best RPGs ever, a Waifu simulator? Is Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines a Waifu simulator because you can have sex? Would putting in a romance in Deus Ex make it a shitty waifu sim? Is every fighting game ever a waifu simulator because of the scantily clad women in it? God damn, does that mean that The Sims is no longer a fun casual game, it's a bad waifu simulator? I can't wait to now play that waifu sim, GTAIV. I mean, it has romances, so it is obviously a waifu sim. The witcher 2 must be as well.

There is ONE romance in mass effect. ONE. It is COMPLETLY AVOIDABLE. Calling it a Waifu sim just shows that you are so scared of anything to do with romance or sex that you instantly label something a "waifu sim" because of it. Go back and troll /v/
 

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Brutal Peanut said:
No, it isn't. It's a TPS with RPG elements.

I don't think they are so much JRPG cliches, as they are just game character cliches. You can only make so many characters with so many problems. Parent issues/tough types/assholes who really do have some feelings way down deep inside - all games have them. So are all games JRPGS because only so many character types are used? No. Also, it wasn't made in Japan which is a big part of a JRPG being a...J-RPG....and there's none of

I also hate Jacob and Miranda as characters. Boring and useless. The only time I ever used Miranda was at the end, because she wont die through the suicide mission and I didn't want anyone else to die so I chose her to do a lot of everything, besides the tech specialist part. Or maybe you are just xenophobic and/or racist against aliens and only think Humans are the BETTER and normal characters to compare to.

SHAME ON YOU OP! FOR SHAME!
Nothing wrong in having problems and as I said the difference btwn an jrpg character and an western rpg char is how they deal with them. Not gonna argue about chars beeing useless or not even if I always used Miranda because or her sqaud bonus hp and dmg but as I said there's a huge difference btwn how Jacob deals with what his father did and how Tali deals with hers.
 

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SpartanBlackman said:
Is KotOR 2, widely regarded as one of the best RPGs ever, a Waifu simulator?
KOTOR 2 isn't well regarded on this forum. People here treat it like it set their dog on fire or something. Personally, I love it.
 

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Teh Jammah said:
Lessee...

No BFS's, everyone uses guns
The Villain doesn't have long white hair
Nobody has crazy hair
Complete absence of bishounen (although I suppose you could tweak Shep a little towards this if you really tried)
You don't have a kawai anthropomorphic sidekick
No turn based combat
No 'random' encounters
Developed by a western game developer...

... no, not a jRPG. It's debatable whether or not 2 is even an wRPG as opposed to a cover based shooter with lots of talking. Maybe it borrowed a couple of things from jRPGs that worked, maybe it didn't. But it is not a jRPG.
Pretty much this.