Is Naruto hated or something?

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Drizzitdude

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The show just takes way too damn long to get anything. Think of an anime like Gurren lagann or sword art online, they get a massive amount of accomplishments done in EVERY episode. I don't want to watch a thirty minute episode of people explaining why Ichigo's bankai is lame or watching Naruto scream at someone for being an asshole before throwing a punch and then talking about why that guy is such an asshole again.

There is just too much crap in between the good parts.
 

Auron225

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As others have mentioned, the fillers and the terrible pacing are what drive it into the ground. I've given up on watching it altogether but I'm still keeping up with the manga, just cause I feel I'm owed at a damn ending at this point! He's still dragging it out as long as possible -.-

The anime did get ridiculous with the pacing. The really inconsistent atmosphere around the villains made it a bit stupid. One minute a guy is a chibi, making immature jokes at/with the good guys, then he is murdering them. I really don't know how they want me to feel about these characters o.o
 

CrazyGirl17

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Eh, I guess I just stopped watching because it's[ too freaking long! That, and the overpowered bad guys are annoying...
 

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My main gripe with Naruto is that it's just not fucking ending. This is the manga I'm talking about...I gave up on the anime a long time ago because of too much filler and delay, but even the manga ITSELF started to devolve into filler-style chapters with absolutely nothing (or very little) of significance happening in them. As I quickly flip-over the recent chapters I notice it's just more bullshit flashbacks, more talking about "hope" (and stuff), how Naruto is everyone's inspiration, etc. Flashbacks, flashbacks, flashbacks.

Naruto ending is one of the things I was really looking forward to about ~1 year ago, it seemed to be approaching some kind of climax. But it's still going!

It's reached the point where I am considering EVERYTHING up to the very last chapter(s) (whenever it comes) to be pointless filler. The the whole Naruto vs Obito ninja war arc has been going on for such an insanely long time, I don't even care what they are doing or talking about anymore.

The manga desperately needs to end. Then some kind of "Naruto Kai" anime version needs to be released with remastered episodes, all the filler cut-out and all the arcs/events greatly edited and compressed so that it could be called a good-quality anime.

If someone asked me for a good anime to watch, I would have recommended them Naruto maybe 3 years ago, but now there's just no way in hell I would recommend them that. If they REALLY wanted to watch it, watch up to the Chuunin arc (because Rock Lee is awesome) or Pain arc if they like Shippuden...but no further than that.
 

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Pixelspeech said:
True as that may be, we're seeing more and more forms of entertainment that are made "for kids" become favorites of adults. Could it be something more fundamental?
There is indeed a more fundamental reason that most people don't like the show (and I can only imagine that this has been brought up - probably multiple times - in the 3 pages of this topic). That being simply that it's a shounen series. That is to say, it's one of those "never-ending" anime shows that has like, 300+ episodes. These shows are generally characterized by their horrendously sluggish pacing and their pretty predictable plots. DBZ is pretty much the benchmark for this type of format.

Villain shows up that is the strongest opponent the heroes have ever faced and beats up the good guys. Good guys train/"do something" to become stronger. Good guy's beat the villain. Next villain shows up, so powerful that he makes the previous villain look like a door-to-door girlscout selling cookies. Villain beats up the good guys. Good guys train/"do something" to become stronger. Good guy's beat the villain. Next villain shows up, so powerful that he makes the previous villain look like a soggy cardboard box. Etc. Etc. Etc.

The power of the heroes keeps expanding with each new "saga", and yet somehow "the most dangerous foe in the world!" manages to show up...despite the villain before being described as "the most dangerous foe in the world!" Again, look to DBZ as an example: Raditz show's up and he's ridiculously more powerful than Goku and friends. Goku has to team up with his nemesis Piccolo and together they defeat Raditz. Next come Vegeta and Nappa. These two are so strong they make Raditz look like a lame joke, but Goku's been training with King Kai and therefor he's able to just barely defeat them. Next up are the Ginyu Force who quite make Vegeta look like a sissy. Goku's been training at 100x gravity and is able to wipe the floor with them. Then comes Frieza: the most powerful and feared tyrant in the entire galaxy. He makes the Ginyu Force look as worthless as Raditz. Goku goes SSJ and absolutely humiliates the guy. Then come the Androids. 17 and 18 are able to beat the piss out of SSJ's, meaning that they're actually stronger than Frieza. They get gobbled up by Cell turning him into "The Perfect Being" who's capable of effectively beating the piss out of all the heroes...until Gohan goes SSJ2 at which point he makes Perfect Cell look like a joke. Finally we get Buu, a literally indestructible being of absolute evil. He's so strong he makes every villain that came before him seem as worthless as Krillin. So strong that in his final form he easily stands toe-to-toe with SSJ 3 Goku and in fact has the upper hand since Kid Buu effectively has unlimited stamina and nearly instant recovery. He's so powerful that the only way they're able to defeat him is by calling in a cheat with the Dragon Balls and giving Goku a full-life heal to restore his energy...without that, Kid Buu would have stuffed that spirit bomb right back down Goku's throat.

But do you see the pattern? Baddy shows up, "OMG HE'S THE STRONGEST THERE IS!" Heroes get stronger/"do something" to tip the scales, Baddy gets beaten. Rinse and repeat. Bleach is pretty much the same way, only they've got swords that go SSJ instead of the fighter themselves. :p

In the end, it's the repetitive nature of shounens that make most people have a distaste for them.
 

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I feel like if the series had ended a while back, it would have received less animosity.

It feels so drawn out now, and most of the characters have been thrown out the back door as far as relevance goes. The way it's being portrayed now, the only characters that actually matter are Naruto and Sasuke.

I haven't been keeping up, but when I was watching a while back it felt stretched so thin that I couldn't even enjoy the parts they tried to focus on.

Perhaps it would have been better to just cut the show off before Shipuden? Eh.
 

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Wow, thank you for this very detailed description. I saw the word "shounen" appear a few times throughout this thread, but didn't really know what it meant.

I saw one of the newer episodes with my cousin and I did notice this pattern you mentioned. When I watched, they were fighting some snake-dude and before that the guy from the mist village (if I recall correctly). Not sure who the chap was they were fighting this time around, but he effectively destroyed the combined armies of all the factions.
 

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I quit watching the anime years ago, around the time when the art style changed into shitty cgi and i couldn't tell apart fillers from the story anymore. Now i just spend a couple of minutes every few weeks reading the manga and i keep hoping that it will finally end.
 

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Pixelspeech said:
RJ 17 said:
Wow, thank you for this very detailed description. I saw the word "shounen" appear a few times throughout this thread, but didn't really know what it meant.

I saw one of the newer episodes with my cousin and I did notice this pattern you mentioned. When I watched, they were fighting some snake-dude and before that the guy from the mist village (if I recall correctly). Not sure who the chap was they were fighting this time around, but he effectively destroyed the combined armies of all the factions.
Yeah, Shounen's are just very long-running series that really don't have an end in sight. As I mentioned, people just get burnt out on them because there's no end in sight. They have a beginning, a middle...then more middle...then more middle...then more middle...and it just keeps on going. Oh sure, they might have "checkpoints" after they beat a certain saga's boss, but when the next saga starts up it's just going to be more of the same dance just set to a different song.
 

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Took the words right out of my mouth there. No seriously, I want something more than big bad stomps on heroes, heroes get stronger and beat big bad, but big bad is now small bad compared to next big bad who- I think you get the point.

The anime series, bleach and naruto, are just dreadfully dull in their pacing and pay-off. But for me, it's not about them beating the next big bad, it's about how they come to grips with their weaknesses, insecurities, etc. That to me, seems far more engaging.

Shounen is mindless fun, which can be good. It's just that it dragged its heels far too much, to the point of me just dropping the anime. It can be fun for a few seasons with nice pay-offs, but if it keeps stretching the pay-off out, you are going to lose me at least.
 

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Hey everyone, I've just recently started making a comeback in the anime scene, after enjoying Persona 4 and Sword Art Online. I started watching Glass Reflection reviews on Youtube and I noticed frequent jabs at the Naruto franchise and I remembered seeing mean-spirited comments aimed at the show on forums before.

I used to watch it when I was like twelve or something, along with Bleach and Samurai Shampoo and thought it was pretty cool. I even picked up that Full Burst game and it's very good.

So my question is: "is the show hated or something and for what reasons?"
Personally, I do not enjoy shows like Naruto or Bleach or One Piece. I used to like Naruto when I was around 10, however I have since dubbed these shows as "money pits". They are long, drawn out series usually with 500+ chapters in which plot after plot revolves around the same basic idea. The main characters faces a foe, is unable to triumph until he learns a new special move or gains some type of enlightenment, wins, then the cycle repeats. Most shows are like this, however they have some basic conclusion.

In shows like these characters tend to be the most basic tropes possible, due to the fact they need to create a large enough cast to be able to fill space. Now, I haven't watched the show since I was around 13, and at the point the characters hadnt even gotten past the first "tournament" (what is up with Japan and tournaments?!). Although I did enjoy the supporting cast, the main characters were infuriating. Naruto, a protagonist who was quirky and silly and frankly annoying, but who some how kept gaining these special skills that triumphed every time. Sasuke the angst frienemy, and Sakura the token rather useless female (mind you, this might have changed, but after 40+ episodes of this it got dry). the characters are not relateable, a trait that any form of media or writing should have, whether it be in literature, movie, or game (there are obvious exceptions)

If someone says "well you have to keep watching, it gets better after (insert outrageous number here)", that's not good story-telling. I should be engaged for the duration of the series, but when you stretch a plot out to 300+ episodes it begins to become redundant. Especially when a series is forced to have filler in order to meet the quota a production company has them set.

On another note, I personally don't have the availability to donate days, weeks of my time watching a television series. I just don't have that capability, and I know it's different for others.
 

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Well it's shonen for one thing. Not all shonen is bad obviously, but it automatically tends to get a stigma right out of the gate.

Having seen what I have of it, roughly 50 or so episodes, I conclude that for shonen, it's not really terrible, but it is frustrating as there are many scenarios where they could have made something really good, and they take the easy way out. But then, it's shonen, so, yeah.

The scene/arc with Haku and Zabuza affected far faaaar more than I thought it would.

Plus there's the obsessive fans. Which exist in everything, and tend to "ruin it" for everyone else.
 

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Bleach started off interesting but gradually turned to shit, starting with the soul society arc.
Naruto started off pretty strong but ran out of steam and now, it's a drag.
The anime is nigh unwatchable thanks to nonsense filler and occasional terribly animated episode.
 

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Naruto is a series that replaced Dragonball Z and did okay through its critical mass appeal. Problem is that its been dragged out far too much, and when a series reaches 500 episodes and counting, its kind of outstaying its welcome to grab more popularity money for the studios.

A truly great anime series has a good length start, beginning, end and sticks to its story and characters like glue, without deviating into filler episodes. Last anime series that did this well for me was FMA Brotherhood. Space Brothers, Titan and Kill La are the nearest to that still currently running.

As you grow up with anime, you may find that your tastes change and adapt. Stuff you once liked when you were 12, might move further down your list as you seek something more stimulating, the same way you might with games.
 

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If I have a problem with it (I haven't watched any recent episodes, so I can't vouch for its current quality), it's that Naruto is basically still the face of anime-watching today. You tell someone you watch anime, and they'll ask "you mean like that Na-ROO-toe stuff?" And frankly, considering the middling-to-poor quality of the episodes I have watched, I feel that's doing the medium a disservice. When you watch the good shit like Ergo Proxy and Bebop and Darker Than Black, it hurts a bit to be dismissed as someone who likes "that screaming orange kid".

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Naruto is a prime example of overstaying it's welcome. Though in fairness that's the problem with most shonen series. The only one in my opinion that avoids the feeling of dragging on is One Piece. I still look forward to the chapters while with Naruto it has become a chore that I only keep doing due to the amount of time I've already invested in it.
 

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I started watching Naruto when I was 20. It reminded me a bit of DBZ (I didn`t see a lot of DBZ when I was a kid.). In the begining of the series I was entertained, it had some interesting fights and the whole "ninjas with magic" thing going on. Then it got fillertastic...I made it to Shippuden and 15 episodes in I sais "Yep, Im done". Lost interest afterwards.
 

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I have a friend who is obsessed with Naruto. She says why she dislikes it more recently is because of two things: It's becoming filler in the vague form of an anime, and it's becoming more childish.
 

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OT: Frankly put, the series simply has such insane quality-inconsistencies that most people get fed up with it.
I honestly loved the beginning of the series (pre-timeskip). The whole idea of magical ninjas was silly, but once I got over that and learned to simply consider them supersoldiers with a ninja gimmick it all made sense. The Zabuza arc was pretty good, and the following arcs were awesome as well. The series didn't shy away from killing important characters if the plot demanded it, Naruto actually grew and the side-characters were also pretty interesting.

Then Shippuden came along, and everything went to shit. Not all at once, mind you, but it certainly became a very long downwards spiral afterwards. The series was still pretty decent even after the time-skip for a while, but then the four cancers of the series slowly began to rear their ugly heads:

-Sasuke: The guy was interesting pre-timeskip. He was a genius rival who took a dark path for the sake of revenge, and his gimmicks were amusing at this point. Jump to post-timeskip and he turns into a pompous, borderline psychotic asshole who makes decisions at random, his eye-powers make him completely broken to the point where it just becomes ridiculous (in retrospect, he is like a rival NPC from a D&D game, where he would automatically gain power levels for no reason whenever Naruto gets stronger just so that the rivalry wouldn't get out of balance), and worst of all, Kishimoto made entire arcs focus just on him because he was a fangirl favorite!

-Sakura and the stupid love-triangles. This issue had its ups and downs but it mainly boils down to this: Naruto has a crush on Sakura for no apparent reason beside that she is pretty even though she is a useless idiot, Sakura has a crush on Sasuke even though the guy is an unrepentant evil asshole who tried to kill her on more than one occasion, Hinata has a crush on Naruto and keeps holding out for him even though Naruto is an insensitive asshole who refuses to acknowledge her in any way and then there's Rock Lee/Sakura and Ino/Sasuke and the glasses chick who has a crush on Sasuke and the other crushes and whatnot... and let's not even get into the crack fan-pairings!
In short, Kishimoto created this love-dodecahedron or whatever way back in the very beginning of the series and refuses to advance the relationships because shippers are a strong demographic that will keep buying his stuff just so they can see whether their preferred pairing will occur, all the while the actual characters suffer for it both in-story and in the characterization department.

-The goddamn Uchiha clan and their goddamn magical eyeballs, with Sasuke at the helm. The Sharingan are not only completely broken, but they are all over the goddamn place even though the clan was supposed to be dead, yet ALL the biggest villains in the series are either Uchiha or use their eyes/their derivatives often in ways that make no goddamn sense. How the hell does a magical eyeball create a huge magical armor/giant/whatever!? Or turn back time!? Or create alternate spaces and unquenchable fire and yada-yada-yada?!
And if that wasn't enough, the Sharingan became an all-purpose plot-fixing glue. Why is this character so powerful? Sharingan. Where did the rinnegan come from? Sharingan. Why are all the Uchiha evil? Sharingan! Everything in the entire series revolves around the fricking magical eyeballs to the point of utter ridiculousness.

-The anticlimaxes. This became a staple of the series in the past few years in particular and it was the ultimate reason why I stopped following the manga (I only know about the recent development because I listen to the Weekly Manga Recap podcast), namely the end of the Pain/Attack on Konoha arc. The conclusion of that particular arc was such a ridiculous cop-out, especially after the great lead-up, that I completely lost my faith in the series, and as far as I know it never really got any better afterwards.

Also, the flashbacks. I would say half of the last arc was made of flashbacks, which is pretty insane taken that said arc has been running for more than two years...

Add to that the insane number of filler episodes in the anime and how Kishimoto apparently started to give less and less of a damn about his writing and his artwork in particular with each passing year and you can see how so many people are fed up with the series...
 

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likalaruku said:
WouldYouKindly said:
You were 12. Naruto should be cool to you. I was the same. Now that I'm older, I prefer more adult oriented fare.

Also it's over stayed it's welcome. Like a sitcom, animes typically have a shelf life of 2 seasons. Some can stick around longer, but most wear out their welcome and characters by then.
I used to like Cowboy Bebop, but when CN played it's mere 13 episodes over & over again for years on end, it too overstayed it's welcome. There were fans that would piss blood if CN took one of their Toonami shows off, insisting they were the best animes ever. There are thousands of better animes, better dubbed or well-subbed, but they couldn't be assed to leave their seats or even learn to read, with the idea set in their heads that if it was on cable TV in english, it had to be the best Japan had to offer.

I will never ever understand how Hagaren (FMA) & Naruto are more popular than Slayers or classic Hunter x Hunter, or why anyone liked Evangelion.
To give it credit, Bebop is really, really, REALLY rewatchable. I don't blame anime Adult Swim/Toonami's selections, because they generally follow this trend. FMA, FLCL, GITS, Eureka Seven; a bunch of good series that anyone can pick up on are rerun, like good TV should.

They also try to add in new series to keep up with the times...It doesn't always work out. I am glad they do it however, and the properties they bring are always solidly accepted already, yet intriguing and different; Durarara and SAO were a surprise. Don't forget that Adult Swim isn't the biggest name in US anime town; they can't grab ALL of the good anime out there, new or old (especially being a 6 hour block, one day a week, on a channel that normally doesn't display such content).

...I can't stand Slayers. Hardly worth mentioning, but it's nagging to be said.

OT, yea, gotta jump on the 'Naruto is for kids' reason too. I find it intriguing how long it's lasting, though; it kinda shows the effects of tenacity from big-business manga production. I'm imagining Shueisha wanting to reach ANOTHER generation of kids with Naruto.

Naruto holds an interesting concept around fantasizing ninjas, but the character development sucks. Wouldn't be a problem, if it didn't run so damn long. The escalation that shounen manga/anime rely on doesn't feel anywhere near 'epic' at this point (as much as they'd make it out to be), since the concept is played out, and the characters are paper-dimensional. Nothing can reliably change or repair the damage at this point. You'd have to be a 12 year old to have the imagination to make more out of Naruto.