Is Naruto hated or something?

Avalanche91

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I don't really mind the earlier Naruto Arcs. It was lighthearted but actually pretty amusing. There were moments where the characters actually used their brains and employed clever tactics and ideas to win a fight. They were actually being trained for ninja stuff such as survival and interogation.

Shippuuden threw that all out of the goddamn window.

That and Sasuke is completely insufferable..... And they made Sakura relevant only to throw her under the bus again..... And they retconned Itachi's character..... And they retconned the tailed beasts......... And the Big Bad's plan is legendarily stupid........And they killed Neji for no reason whatsoever....... And all the side characters became completely irrelevant.

I can go on, but I wont.
 

Cybylt

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likalaruku said:
I grew up on anime with rampant nudity & gory bodily explosions. I just can't take the carefree nature & simplistic style of Naruto seriously. I've also had it up to here with moe.

I'm an oldschool anime veteran from back in the days when nobody watched anime, & Naruto brought in a lot of new fans who won't watch classics. For me, the series is representational of both the end of anime as an exclusionary little-known ultra geek interest, & just something that shows off how anime has not changed for the better since the 90s ended.

Lastly, most Naruto fans seem to be raging Weeabos; an embarrassing phase I went through myself. I know.....that sounds really shallow, bitter, & elitist.
I take it you're familiar with Yoshiaki Kawajiri. Or at least should be by what you're saying. And because everyone should see his movies for the sheer ludicrous nature of them.

Oh and everyone should look up the publishing company Discotek. Their entire business practice is to just pick up lapsed licenses of 70's and 80's anime, print them to dvd and throw them out there. Maybe clean up the video quality a bit while they're at it.

I don't even have much to contribute to the topic since it's been covered pretty well by everyone here, but I can give some recommendations.

The Holy Trinity of Shonen Grand-daddies - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Fist of the North Star, DragonBall.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - It's a bit hard to explain this series, the first and second parts concern the Joestar lineage doing battle with vampires using a fighting style that channels the life energy of the sun to melt them with their fists. Later on to separate itself from shonen it got a bit more grown up in style and changed vampires vs martial arts to the ludicrously specific powered Stands, psychic manifestations of the user's will. The most fabulous manga and anime ever made, it can fairly accurately be described as the metrosexual Fist of the North Star. Also, ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAAA!

Fist of the North Star/Hokuto no Ken - Probably the forefather to every shonen ever since. Think Mad Max but Bruce Lee instead of Mel Gibson, the first twenty episodes were filler but there is something very enjoyable about seeing Kenshiro making people explode from his punches or kicking their thighs in in a way that makes them walk into lava.

DragonBall - Akira Toriyama's delightful and light-hearted take on the Journey to the West, also energy blasts, Bulma's boobs, and martial arts tournaments. Much better characterization and pacing than the followup series.

Gundam: The 08th MS Team - Romeo and Juliet in Vietnam with falling apart mechs. There are no enemy aces or gundams, only sweet sweet GM on Zaku action and the scariest Gouf in existence. Probably the best Gundam OVA ever made.

Space Pirate Captain Harlock - MOTHERFUCKIN HARLOCK! Literal space pirates, as in Spanish galleons that sail in space and there's guys with laser dueling pistols and rapiers. Fighting dictatorships and wooing the ladies with stoicism.

Ninja Scroll - Yoshiaki Kawajiri's most tame movie, it's about a wanderer named Jubei who winds up fighting a series of "ninja" (read: demons). It's... a little hard to describe, but if this movie doesn't phase you look up Wicked City, Doomed Megalopolis, and Goku the Midnight Eye.

Baoh - Another work of Hirohiko Araki (Creator of JoJo) it is about a young man infected with a weaponized virus that turns him into the fearsome Baoh, a humanoid monster that can melt faces with his hand, shoot lightning, eject blades from his forearms and, melt faces with his hair. He's helping a young girl with psychic powers from being abducted from the same organization that injected him with the bioweapon.
 

Drizzitdude

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The show just takes way too damn long to get anything. Think of an anime like Gurren lagann or sword art online, they get a massive amount of accomplishments done in EVERY episode. I don't want to watch a thirty minute episode of people explaining why Ichigo's bankai is lame or watching Naruto scream at someone for being an asshole before throwing a punch and then talking about why that guy is such an asshole again.

There is just too much crap in between the good parts.
 

Auron225

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As others have mentioned, the fillers and the terrible pacing are what drive it into the ground. I've given up on watching it altogether but I'm still keeping up with the manga, just cause I feel I'm owed at a damn ending at this point! He's still dragging it out as long as possible -.-

The anime did get ridiculous with the pacing. The really inconsistent atmosphere around the villains made it a bit stupid. One minute a guy is a chibi, making immature jokes at/with the good guys, then he is murdering them. I really don't know how they want me to feel about these characters o.o
 

CrazyGirl17

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Eh, I guess I just stopped watching because it's[ too freaking long! That, and the overpowered bad guys are annoying...
 

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My main gripe with Naruto is that it's just not fucking ending. This is the manga I'm talking about...I gave up on the anime a long time ago because of too much filler and delay, but even the manga ITSELF started to devolve into filler-style chapters with absolutely nothing (or very little) of significance happening in them. As I quickly flip-over the recent chapters I notice it's just more bullshit flashbacks, more talking about "hope" (and stuff), how Naruto is everyone's inspiration, etc. Flashbacks, flashbacks, flashbacks.

Naruto ending is one of the things I was really looking forward to about ~1 year ago, it seemed to be approaching some kind of climax. But it's still going!

It's reached the point where I am considering EVERYTHING up to the very last chapter(s) (whenever it comes) to be pointless filler. The the whole Naruto vs Obito ninja war arc has been going on for such an insanely long time, I don't even care what they are doing or talking about anymore.

The manga desperately needs to end. Then some kind of "Naruto Kai" anime version needs to be released with remastered episodes, all the filler cut-out and all the arcs/events greatly edited and compressed so that it could be called a good-quality anime.

If someone asked me for a good anime to watch, I would have recommended them Naruto maybe 3 years ago, but now there's just no way in hell I would recommend them that. If they REALLY wanted to watch it, watch up to the Chuunin arc (because Rock Lee is awesome) or Pain arc if they like Shippuden...but no further than that.
 

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Pixelspeech said:
True as that may be, we're seeing more and more forms of entertainment that are made "for kids" become favorites of adults. Could it be something more fundamental?
There is indeed a more fundamental reason that most people don't like the show (and I can only imagine that this has been brought up - probably multiple times - in the 3 pages of this topic). That being simply that it's a shounen series. That is to say, it's one of those "never-ending" anime shows that has like, 300+ episodes. These shows are generally characterized by their horrendously sluggish pacing and their pretty predictable plots. DBZ is pretty much the benchmark for this type of format.

Villain shows up that is the strongest opponent the heroes have ever faced and beats up the good guys. Good guys train/"do something" to become stronger. Good guy's beat the villain. Next villain shows up, so powerful that he makes the previous villain look like a door-to-door girlscout selling cookies. Villain beats up the good guys. Good guys train/"do something" to become stronger. Good guy's beat the villain. Next villain shows up, so powerful that he makes the previous villain look like a soggy cardboard box. Etc. Etc. Etc.

The power of the heroes keeps expanding with each new "saga", and yet somehow "the most dangerous foe in the world!" manages to show up...despite the villain before being described as "the most dangerous foe in the world!" Again, look to DBZ as an example: Raditz show's up and he's ridiculously more powerful than Goku and friends. Goku has to team up with his nemesis Piccolo and together they defeat Raditz. Next come Vegeta and Nappa. These two are so strong they make Raditz look like a lame joke, but Goku's been training with King Kai and therefor he's able to just barely defeat them. Next up are the Ginyu Force who quite make Vegeta look like a sissy. Goku's been training at 100x gravity and is able to wipe the floor with them. Then comes Frieza: the most powerful and feared tyrant in the entire galaxy. He makes the Ginyu Force look as worthless as Raditz. Goku goes SSJ and absolutely humiliates the guy. Then come the Androids. 17 and 18 are able to beat the piss out of SSJ's, meaning that they're actually stronger than Frieza. They get gobbled up by Cell turning him into "The Perfect Being" who's capable of effectively beating the piss out of all the heroes...until Gohan goes SSJ2 at which point he makes Perfect Cell look like a joke. Finally we get Buu, a literally indestructible being of absolute evil. He's so strong he makes every villain that came before him seem as worthless as Krillin. So strong that in his final form he easily stands toe-to-toe with SSJ 3 Goku and in fact has the upper hand since Kid Buu effectively has unlimited stamina and nearly instant recovery. He's so powerful that the only way they're able to defeat him is by calling in a cheat with the Dragon Balls and giving Goku a full-life heal to restore his energy...without that, Kid Buu would have stuffed that spirit bomb right back down Goku's throat.

But do you see the pattern? Baddy shows up, "OMG HE'S THE STRONGEST THERE IS!" Heroes get stronger/"do something" to tip the scales, Baddy gets beaten. Rinse and repeat. Bleach is pretty much the same way, only they've got swords that go SSJ instead of the fighter themselves. :p

In the end, it's the repetitive nature of shounens that make most people have a distaste for them.
 

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I feel like if the series had ended a while back, it would have received less animosity.

It feels so drawn out now, and most of the characters have been thrown out the back door as far as relevance goes. The way it's being portrayed now, the only characters that actually matter are Naruto and Sasuke.

I haven't been keeping up, but when I was watching a while back it felt stretched so thin that I couldn't even enjoy the parts they tried to focus on.

Perhaps it would have been better to just cut the show off before Shipuden? Eh.
 

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RJ 17 said:
Wow, thank you for this very detailed description. I saw the word "shounen" appear a few times throughout this thread, but didn't really know what it meant.

I saw one of the newer episodes with my cousin and I did notice this pattern you mentioned. When I watched, they were fighting some snake-dude and before that the guy from the mist village (if I recall correctly). Not sure who the chap was they were fighting this time around, but he effectively destroyed the combined armies of all the factions.
 

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I quit watching the anime years ago, around the time when the art style changed into shitty cgi and i couldn't tell apart fillers from the story anymore. Now i just spend a couple of minutes every few weeks reading the manga and i keep hoping that it will finally end.
 

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Pixelspeech said:
RJ 17 said:
Wow, thank you for this very detailed description. I saw the word "shounen" appear a few times throughout this thread, but didn't really know what it meant.

I saw one of the newer episodes with my cousin and I did notice this pattern you mentioned. When I watched, they were fighting some snake-dude and before that the guy from the mist village (if I recall correctly). Not sure who the chap was they were fighting this time around, but he effectively destroyed the combined armies of all the factions.
Yeah, Shounen's are just very long-running series that really don't have an end in sight. As I mentioned, people just get burnt out on them because there's no end in sight. They have a beginning, a middle...then more middle...then more middle...then more middle...and it just keeps on going. Oh sure, they might have "checkpoints" after they beat a certain saga's boss, but when the next saga starts up it's just going to be more of the same dance just set to a different song.
 

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Took the words right out of my mouth there. No seriously, I want something more than big bad stomps on heroes, heroes get stronger and beat big bad, but big bad is now small bad compared to next big bad who- I think you get the point.

The anime series, bleach and naruto, are just dreadfully dull in their pacing and pay-off. But for me, it's not about them beating the next big bad, it's about how they come to grips with their weaknesses, insecurities, etc. That to me, seems far more engaging.

Shounen is mindless fun, which can be good. It's just that it dragged its heels far too much, to the point of me just dropping the anime. It can be fun for a few seasons with nice pay-offs, but if it keeps stretching the pay-off out, you are going to lose me at least.
 

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Hey everyone, I've just recently started making a comeback in the anime scene, after enjoying Persona 4 and Sword Art Online. I started watching Glass Reflection reviews on Youtube and I noticed frequent jabs at the Naruto franchise and I remembered seeing mean-spirited comments aimed at the show on forums before.

I used to watch it when I was like twelve or something, along with Bleach and Samurai Shampoo and thought it was pretty cool. I even picked up that Full Burst game and it's very good.

So my question is: "is the show hated or something and for what reasons?"
Personally, I do not enjoy shows like Naruto or Bleach or One Piece. I used to like Naruto when I was around 10, however I have since dubbed these shows as "money pits". They are long, drawn out series usually with 500+ chapters in which plot after plot revolves around the same basic idea. The main characters faces a foe, is unable to triumph until he learns a new special move or gains some type of enlightenment, wins, then the cycle repeats. Most shows are like this, however they have some basic conclusion.

In shows like these characters tend to be the most basic tropes possible, due to the fact they need to create a large enough cast to be able to fill space. Now, I haven't watched the show since I was around 13, and at the point the characters hadnt even gotten past the first "tournament" (what is up with Japan and tournaments?!). Although I did enjoy the supporting cast, the main characters were infuriating. Naruto, a protagonist who was quirky and silly and frankly annoying, but who some how kept gaining these special skills that triumphed every time. Sasuke the angst frienemy, and Sakura the token rather useless female (mind you, this might have changed, but after 40+ episodes of this it got dry). the characters are not relateable, a trait that any form of media or writing should have, whether it be in literature, movie, or game (there are obvious exceptions)

If someone says "well you have to keep watching, it gets better after (insert outrageous number here)", that's not good story-telling. I should be engaged for the duration of the series, but when you stretch a plot out to 300+ episodes it begins to become redundant. Especially when a series is forced to have filler in order to meet the quota a production company has them set.

On another note, I personally don't have the availability to donate days, weeks of my time watching a television series. I just don't have that capability, and I know it's different for others.
 

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Well it's shonen for one thing. Not all shonen is bad obviously, but it automatically tends to get a stigma right out of the gate.

Having seen what I have of it, roughly 50 or so episodes, I conclude that for shonen, it's not really terrible, but it is frustrating as there are many scenarios where they could have made something really good, and they take the easy way out. But then, it's shonen, so, yeah.

The scene/arc with Haku and Zabuza affected far faaaar more than I thought it would.

Plus there's the obsessive fans. Which exist in everything, and tend to "ruin it" for everyone else.
 

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Bleach started off interesting but gradually turned to shit, starting with the soul society arc.
Naruto started off pretty strong but ran out of steam and now, it's a drag.
The anime is nigh unwatchable thanks to nonsense filler and occasional terribly animated episode.
 

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Naruto is a series that replaced Dragonball Z and did okay through its critical mass appeal. Problem is that its been dragged out far too much, and when a series reaches 500 episodes and counting, its kind of outstaying its welcome to grab more popularity money for the studios.

A truly great anime series has a good length start, beginning, end and sticks to its story and characters like glue, without deviating into filler episodes. Last anime series that did this well for me was FMA Brotherhood. Space Brothers, Titan and Kill La are the nearest to that still currently running.

As you grow up with anime, you may find that your tastes change and adapt. Stuff you once liked when you were 12, might move further down your list as you seek something more stimulating, the same way you might with games.
 

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If I have a problem with it (I haven't watched any recent episodes, so I can't vouch for its current quality), it's that Naruto is basically still the face of anime-watching today. You tell someone you watch anime, and they'll ask "you mean like that Na-ROO-toe stuff?" And frankly, considering the middling-to-poor quality of the episodes I have watched, I feel that's doing the medium a disservice. When you watch the good shit like Ergo Proxy and Bebop and Darker Than Black, it hurts a bit to be dismissed as someone who likes "that screaming orange kid".

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Naruto is a prime example of overstaying it's welcome. Though in fairness that's the problem with most shonen series. The only one in my opinion that avoids the feeling of dragging on is One Piece. I still look forward to the chapters while with Naruto it has become a chore that I only keep doing due to the amount of time I've already invested in it.
 

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I started watching Naruto when I was 20. It reminded me a bit of DBZ (I didn`t see a lot of DBZ when I was a kid.). In the begining of the series I was entertained, it had some interesting fights and the whole "ninjas with magic" thing going on. Then it got fillertastic...I made it to Shippuden and 15 episodes in I sais "Yep, Im done". Lost interest afterwards.