Is witcher 3 has worst combat ever?
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Yeah, gotta disagree.B-Cell said:
Stalker, haven't played.
Crysis... Its good, but Witcher 3 is better.
Deus Ex HR: Just replayed it. Clunky and poor controls are the least of its issues, and its boss fights are absolute jokes thematically and in gameplay. Its a mediocre game at best.
Witcher 2: I consider slightly below 3. Its combat had its own version of attack attack quen, and it was attack attack aard. Only difference was its schizophrenic difficulty curve, poorly designed menus, and less navigable worldspace [More parkour style stuff was an amazing addition, not talking about level sizes as fixed size levels have their own purpose and charm IMO]
Dishonored: Utter shit. Clunky to play, punished you for playing the 'fun' way that let you use all your abilities and kill people, lack of autosave, and just all round meh. One of the worse games to have come out recently IMO.
Metro: Pretty good, but its not as good as Witcher 3.
I mean, they may be your list of favourite games but... Nah, Witcher 3 beats them all. Hell, IMO it beats Dishonoured, Deus Ex and Witcher 2 on combat alone, whereas Crysis and Metro are more a to-taste thing.
I confoosed my frend. In wut way culd these gameplays:B-Cell said:
...tranzlaite too this ? :
Bacuz if I imagine shadow warrior swordplay take place in therd persun, it seeem as if it wuld b simplify greatly due to the lack off doj, pahree, and simplicity uv enemies movesmint. Are yoo saying that yu fynd the Witcher 3 combat to complex and that yoo liek simplecity of the shadows warrior combat? I thank that would herrt the balince of the Witcher 3 combat and the nuances off how it combine with games spells. What do you think?
All so, feel free to riplace the video in you orijinal post with the witcher kombat video above my friend. I know you want fare discussion and aren't try to flame fans of witcher 3 and cuz truble because I know you respect other people's opinions so the above video wuld srve as a better example of witcher 3's combat, giving this thread's discussion more fare start don't you think my dearest and loveliest frend?
Or chanje OP tytle to "Iz this youtube player werst at witcher combats ever?" That more akurate my friend.
Poor grammar in the title and body that makes english look like OP's second language. Hyperbolic and controversial statements. A link to a video of a guy complaining about the lack of lock on... because he didn't press the lock on button.
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My dear sweet friend, I axe agen then:B-Cell said:
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Shadow Warrior gameplay applied to The Witcher 3 would result in a game who's movement and nuance is simplified. Are you inferring that you prefer simpler gameplay?
Also, in the spirit of respecting people's opinions, feel free to replace the video in your original post with the one I posted above. I know you want a fair and balanced debate here and the last thing you want to do is flame witcher fans (dat respect) so in talking about The Witcher 3's gameplay, the video in my post features functional gameplay from someone who is familiar with the gameplay systems. Conversely, your original video the player is so unfamiliar with the systems, he couldn't even understand how the lock on works and thus makes a horrible basis for debate regarding witcher 3's combat.
The only way someone would use that video is if they were purposely seeking to inflame fans of the game but knowing how much respect you have for others and their opinion, I only seek to help you avoid that pitfall my wonderful, beautiful, kind, sweet, amazing friend.
Its about clunkyness not simplify or complex. witcher 3 combat is just too clunky. and controlson keyboard/mouse absolutely suck. i mean gerald of rivendale move like a tank and has problem to navigate a ladder.ZombieProof said:
game in general is alright. better than most open world games these days, blow everything open world ubisoft and rockstar do out of water. but still its very flawed game. to call this masterpiece like critics claim is just insult to humanity.
Nope, it's pretty bad, but far from the worst.
But you know, if the game didn't spend so much time on it's poor fight system, then I don't think it would be so bothersome.
But you know, if the game didn't spend so much time on it's poor fight system, then I don't think it would be so bothersome.
Interesting. I've only used an x360 gamepad in Witcher's 2 and 3 and the gameplay felt just fine for it.B-Cell said:
My points regarding the disparity between our two videos for the case of a fair representation of Witcher 3's gameplay, what's your take on that?
The controls and systems to me just weren't quite polished to a level where it really flowed well. I always felt like I was... Not quite fighting the controls, but they certainly weren't helping me either.step1999 said:
As for lethal/non-lethal - yeah, lethal is more fun. However, the game punishes you for doing so. More enemies, and the 'bad' ending, it pushes you towards the boring side of the game - the non-lethal side. Its a system that punishes you for taking the fun route, and maybe in a shorter game that used that as a message about the player in a Spec-Ops style twist... Sure. But pushing the player to the not-fun route? Do it with XP systems, like any other stealth game, or risk. As is its often safer, more fun, and as rewarding to run in guns blazing, but the game tries to beat you over the head for doing so.
It's the weakest part of the game, but no. I think they'd do well by just copying what Dragon's Dogma did, but the fact is that they're a little hamstrung by the source material. The books mostly do describe a guy who is just faster, stronger, and more able to sustain terrible wounds than a normal man. He has a lot of tricks, and Axii is a lot more nuanced in the books, but to be honest... it's just not the source material for gripping combat. It's the source material for a rich, and dark world, and they succeeded in that.
It doesn't punish you, it reacts according to a story it's trying to tell, and to balance the absurd powers and weapons you get down the 'lethal' line. Tallboys stop being a threat if you're going lethal, no matter how many there might be. Killing people makes the game incredibly easy, so of course the game throws more at you.Joccaren said:
I've played Witcher 3 for 185 hours so far and am almost level 70. The combat system works quite well, it's addictive, it's visceral (sending limbs flying and chopping entire people in half never gets old), and I've never had any game-breaking issues with it. Multiple enemies are easy enough to handle and the camera doesn't really jump around that much for me. When I focus on an enemy I can kill that enemy (without targeting them).
My only gripe is that at higher levels even at max difficulty Geralt becomes super overpowered if you fill out the skill trees and drink potions, you have to intentionally gimp yourself (use basic gear or no skill trees) to keep things challenging.
My only gripe is that at higher levels even at max difficulty Geralt becomes super overpowered if you fill out the skill trees and drink potions, you have to intentionally gimp yourself (use basic gear or no skill trees) to keep things challenging.
Did you try the alternative movement setting? It was put there for that very reason.B-Cell said:
I don't, because I like to maintain an objective outlook on mass-market entertainment. The Witcher series' combat system isn't for me, that much is true. Does that make it the "worst ever"? Of course not. No game, no piece of entertainment, can be called the objectively "worst ever" of its category - because there's a point where making assertions like that isn't objective at all, and rather becomes subjective.B-Cell said:
If anything, I tend to think your question has some subtext stuck to it. Can I assume *you* didn't like the series' combat mechanics? If so, can you remember a few other games with more obvious cases of janky controls or ineffectual mechanics? I'm sure you can, if you have some history as a gamer.
No game is the "worst ever" in its class, but there's certainly worse out there than The Witcher series' approach to sword-swinging.
And no, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Bethesda's approach (wild swings until the enemy's health bar depletes) *if that's what's you're comfortable with*.
To each their own, essentially. That seems to have more discussion value, to me, than going "Yeah, that thing you like? It's the worst, and I hope others will agree!"
CD Projekt need to release another patch that balances Geralt around endgame and stops all the final fights becoming piss easy. It is easily the game's biggest flaw IMO, it has a reverse difficulty curve. People eventually learn how the combat works (which is the hardest part) and on top of that Geralt becomes overpowered.Dalsyne said:
They addressed this somewhat in the New Game+ mode, in which I found the final bosses much harder than my initial playthrough. I remember breezing through both Imlerith and Eredin in my first attempts on hard difficulty. Was left very disappointed considering they were wild hunt bosses, just sat there thinking "that was it? seriously?". Hell, I remember dying to Nithral like 10 times (although that's because I was still grasping combat basics),
But during my NG+ second playthrough, both Imlerith and Eredin wrecked my shit several times before I learned their patterns. Probably the biggest lesson I learned during those fights is to ALWAYS USE HEAVY ATTACK because they just ignore light attacks after 1-2 hits and proceed to embed their weapon into your face anyway. Also the Caretaker fight was awesome. It doesn't get any better than a mysterious being that has no face/organs chasing you with a glowing all-powerful shovel.
But to experience NG+ goodness people need to have already finished the game once, and that's a bit dumb IMO. Dark Souls already proved that you can make a game absolutely brutally hard and people will love that shit, so I have no idea why CD Projekt dialed down the difficulty so much in Wither 3.
It doesn't hold a candle to Witcher 2 difficulty...not to mention a Witcher game being easy is almost contradictory.