ninjapenguin981 said:
A lot of farm animals would have probably become extinct by now if us humans had not kept them. Take the pig for example. I'd like to see that try and live in the wild, it just wouldn't. I know people might say how it's because in history we've bred pigs that way from boars or something, but the fact is that we can't change history and freeing all the pigs would be ridiculous. I do agree with the whole battery chicken thing, which is why I eat organic, free range chicken, but I don't see it as a reason to stop eating it.
I'm sure they would rather be extinct than live only to be eaten. I can honestly say that the exinction of those animals would not concern me a bit. They don't mind, of course, as they no longer exist. It is only our own self-indulgent guilt-salving that leads to things like breeding programmes in zoos, which I also completely disagree with.
Good on you for going organic and free range

I would never dream of buying anything other than free range eggs, and people who buy eggs from battery hens disgust me.
Strategia said:
Oh tell me about it. I've been a vegetarian all my life, and I'm not about to change that - you wouldn't want to hear how many times I've had to endure the exact same line of questioning about "where I get my nutrients" and how "humans need meat" and "that can't be good for you", and best of all, "it tastes so good, you're missing out". Sometimes I just want to use a Renegade interrupt and punch them in the face. But I'm too much of a wuss to actually do that.
Please, it's so dull isn't it? They think they're being so clever as well : |
And of course, vegetarians in fact enjoy the healthiest diets around, except for perhaps pescatarians.
starfox444 said:
I disagree with you there. Natural hunting at current levels of demand would be harmful to the natural environment making it worse than the effects of farming.
If your next reaction is to rule out meat altogether then I believe you are also incorrect due to vitamin B12. Which is used for
Also found in Marmite (although I prefer to boycott that since it's made by Unilever). However, either way one can survive without B12 derived from animal products, as evidenced by the many vegans alive and well today.
And I'm not trying to convert people. I myself eat meat. I am only trying to show why I believe vegetarian and veganism to be positive things, and why I believe farming to be a bad thing. Also I cannot agree with you that hunting would be worse for the environment than farming - see here: http://www.agriculture.de/acms1/conf6/ws4sum.htm Still bad, admittedly, but not in the same way, and not to the same degree.
Billion Backs said:
This might be rather off-topic, but what exactly is your opinion about pets if your opinion about farm animals isn't exactly high?
Er... I don't really like the idea of caged pets, and keeping birds in cages is just disgusting. The fact that so many people rush out to buy pets on a whim without much consideration for the animal's future welfare troubles me also. My mum has a dog and she treats him awfully, it's quite horrible (she's a ridiculous woman - constantly wanting new kittens, puppies etc., then neglecting them as soon as they grow into adults. It's this kind of attitude towards pet-owning that I abhor). I'm currently trying to rehome him.
Anyway, in brief, pets like cats and dogs I am fine with, as the benefit of companionship is mutual.