"It's Not Like I Reich You Or Anything"
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Well it's not the official doctrine of the governments of the Arab countries but it's very much the "man on the street" opinion. Some of my teachers even had rather inaccurate views of WWII and Holocaust. As far as history is concerned the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, the original resister of a two state solution to Israel/Palestine problem, was a close personal friend of Hitler. He in fact stayed as Hitler's guest when the political situation in Palestine forced him to leave. It has been speculated that al-Husseini was one of the architects of the Holocaust and this his dealings with Hitler and his inner circle emboldened and cemented Germany's policies. At the very least he was implicitly aware of the plight of the Jews in Germany and positively endorsed it. It's not an Islamic thing really, though there is definitely tension in some of the more conservative Islamic currents because of the Prophet's negative dealings with the Jews of Banu Qurayza: most of the problem is political. It's not Muslims vs Jews so much as Arabs vs Israelis.Darth_Payn said:
Aside from the states seceding citing slavery as the reason why they were breaking off from the union, historian David Goldfield can tell you that "both Northerners and Southerners recognized that slavery was the immediate cause of the civil war." If it really was about states' rights, it would have happened a long time ago, too, particularly during the Jackson administration. Romanticizing the civil war as anything but being over one of the worst offenses of human history is a ridiculous myth.Kalezian said:
Well, didn't take long for this thread to devolve into an argument over the American Civil War.
In all seriousness, name ONE nation, tribe, ethnic group etc whose history is all sunshine and rainbows. Just one.
In all seriousness, name ONE nation, tribe, ethnic group etc whose history is all sunshine and rainbows. Just one.
Hey, only the part of the country that the rest of us are embarrassed about does that.Zombie Badger said:
Hitler created a totalitarian nightmare in the middle of a previously stabilizing, liberalizing, and rich Europe.Ishigami said:
Russia and China were the kind of places where a non-negligable amount of those millions would have died anyways in the famines, tyrannies, rebellions, that were expected with these region anyways.
Well, obviously! They're backed by the Illuminati! I HAVE PROOFRequia said:
The Roman Empire isn't actually romanticized as much as more recent empires. I mean, have you seen some of the stuff based on the history of North America? Pocahontas and things like that?
That linked article just makes me angry and want to bash someone's head in with a steel pipe. Ignorant, stupid, gullible fucking teenagers are the root of all evil. Someone really ought to barge into that cafe and show off a little presentation of what the nazis actually did, with all the nice Josef Mengele stuff attached. Or we should get back at them in equal measure. How about a Pol Pot themed internet cafe (yeah, he was Vietnamese, but you know what I'm talking about).
The Sun cross/swastika, toothbrush mustache and the name "Adolph" are but few of the things that Hitler ruined by having Westerners permanently associate them with pure evil.
There are people who get very upset with any form of referencing to Nazism. Hell, I remember someone blowing a lit, when he saw people dressed like Germany [http://hetalia.kitawiki.net/index.php?title=Germany], from the Hetalia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia:_Axis_Powers] Anime/Manga but it does raise some questions.
Westerners are afraid of glorifying anything associated with Nazism because they don't want to promote their ideologies. But when another group, that's largely unaware of said ideologies and sensitive history associated with genocides and ethnic cleansing, starts parodying stuff like Nazi fashion and hilariously strict mannerisms, when is it crossing a line? This is doubly true when said parodies start crossing over to Western media.
There are people who get very upset with any form of referencing to Nazism. Hell, I remember someone blowing a lit, when he saw people dressed like Germany [http://hetalia.kitawiki.net/index.php?title=Germany], from the Hetalia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia:_Axis_Powers] Anime/Manga but it does raise some questions.
Westerners are afraid of glorifying anything associated with Nazism because they don't want to promote their ideologies. But when another group, that's largely unaware of said ideologies and sensitive history associated with genocides and ethnic cleansing, starts parodying stuff like Nazi fashion and hilariously strict mannerisms, when is it crossing a line? This is doubly true when said parodies start crossing over to Western media.
Robo-Erin for the win. Or perhaps, that's what she always was, and we know to much now?
I guess it depends on what's going on exactly. If they are just wearing uniforms because they think it looks good, and don't believe in the stuff that it represented, that's one thing. If they are actively trying to push the Nazi "agenda" and believe that they were in the right, then that is a problem. I think it can be like the confederate flag to a degree. If you have it as a decoration, especially just to show different things of history, then that shouldn't be a problem. If you are raising the flag and saying that Confederate America needs to return, as well as spouting of why they were in the right, then that's not good. To a certain degree, I think something like the Nazi's themselves should be allowed to be humorized, but the actual terrible things should not.
I guess it depends on what's going on exactly. If they are just wearing uniforms because they think it looks good, and don't believe in the stuff that it represented, that's one thing. If they are actively trying to push the Nazi "agenda" and believe that they were in the right, then that is a problem. I think it can be like the confederate flag to a degree. If you have it as a decoration, especially just to show different things of history, then that shouldn't be a problem. If you are raising the flag and saying that Confederate America needs to return, as well as spouting of why they were in the right, then that's not good. To a certain degree, I think something like the Nazi's themselves should be allowed to be humorized, but the actual terrible things should not.
Thank goodness the America colonization and the near mass genocide of the Native Americans isn't romanticized yet. But as other posters pointed out, Japan will likely get to it first without knowing/acknowledging how terrible such events were.lacktheknack said:
Calling Enzai a dating sim is...uhh...I'm not sure how to say it other than wrong. Like, completely horribly completely wrong. Like, your character just got raped wrong.8bitOwl said:I'm pretty sure the very first dating sym I have ever played in my entire life was pretty much set in a Nazi prisoner camp even though it wasn't set in a Nazi prisoner camp.
I'm talking about "Enzai":
So I don't think we need the distant future. Nevermind tho, because that cyborgerin is cute.
And on a side note... the Romans were pederasts? Weren't they the Greek - and wasn't it consensual?
On topic!
Seriously, robo-erin is adorable.
I'm going to chalk up Nazi Sterilization to the Cold War: The Nazis fought the Communists, lots of ex-Waffen SS found a new home in the French Foreign Legion (allowing them to tell stories to their comrades) and lots of ex-Wehrmacht troops and in some cases equipment were the founding basis of the Bundeswehr, and they later retired and told their stories in memoires. Because of the "common foe" at the time of the Soviet Union, it was the perfect opportunity to paint themselves in a good light while showing just how "monsterous" the Soviets were.
There's actually a term that's spun for this from the World of Tanks North American Historical Armored Vehicles forum - "Wehraboo", with similar meanings and intended canotations as Weeaboo, just with a different target and SPECIFIC to World War II.
(It also expands onto a number of related ideas - including the depiction of German tanks as invincible, the Wehrmacht as clean-handed, and taking kill claims at face value when in reality none of that was true.)
Nazi Whitewashing and thus romanticism happened because a bunch of Ostheer Veterans told half of their stories to Western audiences that were already predisposed to hate the Soviet Union. For the most part, the existence of such whitewashing in ex-Soviet bloc nations is mostly due to the Soviets having been the "Big Evil" for a much longer period of time, and in some places they even cooperated with the Nazis, thus allowing them to paint a prettier picture of themselves.
They were evil but they had a comparatively good PR campaign when you compare their crimes to the Soviet Union's.
There's actually a term that's spun for this from the World of Tanks North American Historical Armored Vehicles forum - "Wehraboo", with similar meanings and intended canotations as Weeaboo, just with a different target and SPECIFIC to World War II.
(It also expands onto a number of related ideas - including the depiction of German tanks as invincible, the Wehrmacht as clean-handed, and taking kill claims at face value when in reality none of that was true.)
Nazi Whitewashing and thus romanticism happened because a bunch of Ostheer Veterans told half of their stories to Western audiences that were already predisposed to hate the Soviet Union. For the most part, the existence of such whitewashing in ex-Soviet bloc nations is mostly due to the Soviets having been the "Big Evil" for a much longer period of time, and in some places they even cooperated with the Nazis, thus allowing them to paint a prettier picture of themselves.
They were evil but they had a comparatively good PR campaign when you compare their crimes to the Soviet Union's.
