Deus Ex: Invisible War. And Deus Ex: The Fall, for that matter. Sure, they're the weakest entries in the Deus Ex series, but I had fun with them.
It's not THAT bad.
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And Tom Baker as The Doctor. And while we're at it, Sean Connery as Bond.Xsjadoblayde said:
I don't get the backlash against Garfield as Parker, which is probably more relevant to a "wasn't that bad" thread. Peter was a bit of a dick until Uncle Ben died in AF15, and within a few issues of Amazing Spider-Man he'd punched out Flash Thompson (Flash would eventually get some good character arcs out of this, along with some questionable ones) and started having girl problems with multiple girls. It was like two years into the comics when Mary Jane was introduced and started fighting with Gwen Stacy (and others) for his affection.
People seemed angry at Amazing and Garfield for not being true to the character when that version of the character was largely a concoction of the movies.
I didn't hate The Amazing Spider-Man. It wasn't a fantastic movie; it jumped through a few too many trite genre hoops to really fly. But I didn't hate any of the performances, and I was kind of impressed to find out that some of the web-slinging was done with practical, rather than digital, effects.
Never saw the second one, though. The overwhelming level of hatred directed at it kept me away.
Never saw the second one, though. The overwhelming level of hatred directed at it kept me away.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it isn't one of those teh-original-is-da-best-y'all things. I have no hate or negative feelings towards Garfield, he plays his part well and apparently closer to the source material. Even his name alone brings forth images of tasty lasagne. It is just that as a film, it felt more interesting watching Macguire whereas the Amazing spiderman's character just breezes through in a less troubled manner. Romance kindof happens because it's supposed to, there was no effort to portray struggle. Or doubt. Just have it, and it you have! I know, I know...spiderman films shouldn't be a source of good romance stories. It is only the reason I feel more drawn to Macguire.Something Amyss said:
Phew! I was going to ask the same!Misericorde said:
The Tom Jane Punisher film is still one of my favourite Comic Book films. It is exactly what I expect from a Comic Book film... over the top, a bit daft, and relatively simple.
I bet that now the massess have become more accepting of the genre, and The Punisher was given the budget other Marvel films get, that same storyline (with an enhanced script, and some slightly better acting) would be much more popular. I think they did well with the little they had! It plays exactly how a comic does... in instalments.
There is the first third hook intro which ends with the tragedy, the bad guys background and the punisher is born.
Then you have the Punisher plotting his revenge. He gets to know the enemy, and lets them know of him. Just like the comics he decides to play with them as he decides exactly how he is going to inflict pain and anguish on them such as he suffered.
Then there are a series of fights with major mooks. In the typical punisher way these are themed hit men. Namely Harry Heck ,with the dissapointingly short car chase, that ends with it causing the entire montage of him doing his car up as a forified war machine pointless; and The Russian... which is a fantastically violent fight scene which does the comics proud.
Then finally you have a beautifully long winded plan executed with typical precision working his way up to the boss before the final kill... amazing!
The flaming skull made of the cars in the car park... John Travolta killing his right hand man through steered jealousy... The Cuban cigar smugglers... Harry Heck's weirdly dark song... The non-love interest anti-trope... The fat singing chef, 'just can't get the right guy' girl-next-door and the kooky geek neighbors who you can't help but love... Superb.
If you just add the writing from Dirty Laundry and it could be a fan pleasing classic! If Deadpool is a success then they should look at retrying with the Punisher!
Final Fantasy Spirits Within. Its actually a really decent sci-fi story with great animation. Too bad it was named Final Fantasy.
Lets see...Warhammer 40k Fire Warrior actually had a really good 40k plot. Wasn't great gameplay, but as far as plots go, its pretty good for 40k.
Space Robot Samurai Zombie Slayer was pretty good too.
Lets see...Warhammer 40k Fire Warrior actually had a really good 40k plot. Wasn't great gameplay, but as far as plots go, its pretty good for 40k.
Space Robot Samurai Zombie Slayer was pretty good too.
Mass Effect 3.
In some regards, I think it was better than the others. The gameplay was by far the best it's been, the story was wildly up and down, but it had some rather good moments. Given the hate that I heard about the ending, I expected it to be the worst thing in the world. It was just... mediocre. There were larger issues I had with the game than the ending. The worst part of the game in my opinion was your "badass ninja nemesis". He was just completely out of place there, and he kept showing up constantly.
In some regards, I think it was better than the others. The gameplay was by far the best it's been, the story was wildly up and down, but it had some rather good moments. Given the hate that I heard about the ending, I expected it to be the worst thing in the world. It was just... mediocre. There were larger issues I had with the game than the ending. The worst part of the game in my opinion was your "badass ninja nemesis". He was just completely out of place there, and he kept showing up constantly.
Doom, the movie. I mean, it's hardly the best film ever made and it didn't live up to the games, but I think it's pretty reasonable overall.
+1 to FF Spirits Within as well. I guess it just didn't live up to expectations, like most anime films to be honest, but it was still decent enough.
Finally, (although someone beat me to it) Deus Ex Invisible War. It's pretty good, all things considered, even if it's not as great as the original. I actually think it does some stuff better than Human Revolution.
+1 to FF Spirits Within as well. I guess it just didn't live up to expectations, like most anime films to be honest, but it was still decent enough.
Finally, (although someone beat me to it) Deus Ex Invisible War. It's pretty good, all things considered, even if it's not as great as the original. I actually think it does some stuff better than Human Revolution.
Final Fantasy XIII
There, I said it.
Every time FFXIII comes up in a discussion there's people moaning how awful it was. Kill it with fire and all that. To me it seems to be a case of bringing personal preference to a discussion of its merits. Let me just state it: FFXIII is not broken, unplayable or lacking in gameplay or content. It works, it looks good and it has a lot to offer.
What is objectively bad about FFXIII? I would argue the pacing needs some serious work, as it takes too long to get going. The story can be convoluted at times (but is it any worse than previous FF games?). But linearity is not exactly a new thing for Final Fantasy. With its long corridors and lack of world map/vehicles, it disguises it less well than other games in the series, but that's about it.
Don't you like the characters, the gameplay or something else? Fine. But that does not make the game awful. Final Fantasy has always been a game series that has not been afraid to change things up. So sad the newer titles have all had to suffer from the 'not-FFVII'-syndrome. Don't even get me started on FFXII.
There, I said it.
Every time FFXIII comes up in a discussion there's people moaning how awful it was. Kill it with fire and all that. To me it seems to be a case of bringing personal preference to a discussion of its merits. Let me just state it: FFXIII is not broken, unplayable or lacking in gameplay or content. It works, it looks good and it has a lot to offer.
What is objectively bad about FFXIII? I would argue the pacing needs some serious work, as it takes too long to get going. The story can be convoluted at times (but is it any worse than previous FF games?). But linearity is not exactly a new thing for Final Fantasy. With its long corridors and lack of world map/vehicles, it disguises it less well than other games in the series, but that's about it.
Don't you like the characters, the gameplay or something else? Fine. But that does not make the game awful. Final Fantasy has always been a game series that has not been afraid to change things up. So sad the newer titles have all had to suffer from the 'not-FFVII'-syndrome. Don't even get me started on FFXII.
X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine aren't really worthy of the universal revilement they have, often being grouped as among the worst superhero films. Neither of them are good. In fact, I think both of them are bad, but they at least have their odd redeemable feature here and there.
Besides First Class and Days of Future Past, I think The Last Stand has the best action in the franchise. The odd mutant gets a nice moment to show off their powers. That final battle, while poorly lit, did at least entertain me and I really enjoy that mutants fought off against each over using their powers which we didn't get (much of) in X-Men and X2. The subplot with Rogue I thought was also a nice addition. The Last Stand's biggest failure was there was no investing in anyone.
Can't support Magneto 'cos he's still doing the kill all humans thing.
Can't support the Humans because they're weaponising a cure for the mutant condition.
Can't support the X-Men because they're supporting the Humans.
As for Origins. It's bad. The first twenty minutes are nice, and some of the mutant fights before the climax are nice. Some little nods like seeing teenage Cyclops was cool as well. It sometimes accidentally turns into pure cheese like when Wolverine suffers a loss, and does at least try to simulate tension with a character who is invincible.
Yeah, it sucks otherwise. I only learned after I watched it that Sabertooth was in it, that's what happens when you hire a different actor and base a large part of the plot on a henchman from the first film. The detour with the old couple, Wolverine can't carry a film on his own[footnote]I think The Wolverine 2013 is OK, but by God is it hard to stay invested when it so predominantly focuses on Wolverine, regardless of how good Jackman is at acting him.[/footnote], the bullshit treatment of Wraith, the special effects are awful (the big mutant being fat, Deadpool, Emma Stone's diamond form) and many other qualities contribute to its badness, but it didn't really invoke any kind of negative reaction.
Besides First Class and Days of Future Past, I think The Last Stand has the best action in the franchise. The odd mutant gets a nice moment to show off their powers. That final battle, while poorly lit, did at least entertain me and I really enjoy that mutants fought off against each over using their powers which we didn't get (much of) in X-Men and X2. The subplot with Rogue I thought was also a nice addition. The Last Stand's biggest failure was there was no investing in anyone.
Can't support Magneto 'cos he's still doing the kill all humans thing.
Can't support the Humans because they're weaponising a cure for the mutant condition.
Can't support the X-Men because they're supporting the Humans.
As for Origins. It's bad. The first twenty minutes are nice, and some of the mutant fights before the climax are nice. Some little nods like seeing teenage Cyclops was cool as well. It sometimes accidentally turns into pure cheese like when Wolverine suffers a loss, and does at least try to simulate tension with a character who is invincible.
Yeah, it sucks otherwise. I only learned after I watched it that Sabertooth was in it, that's what happens when you hire a different actor and base a large part of the plot on a henchman from the first film. The detour with the old couple, Wolverine can't carry a film on his own[footnote]I think The Wolverine 2013 is OK, but by God is it hard to stay invested when it so predominantly focuses on Wolverine, regardless of how good Jackman is at acting him.[/footnote], the bullshit treatment of Wraith, the special effects are awful (the big mutant being fat, Deadpool, Emma Stone's diamond form) and many other qualities contribute to its badness, but it didn't really invoke any kind of negative reaction.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - Ford and LaBeouf had some good on-screen chemistry, and the whole plot with the evil Commies, psychic experiments and yes, even the aliens, felt like classic Indy. It had some of the most exciting action scenes in the series. Some of the things in the movie that people complain about - the aliens, the CGI, the fridge, Shia LaBeouf - all seemed to be in good fun to me. Hell, it's not even the worst movie of the four.
X-Men 3 and Spiderman 3. The former is lackluster, cluttered, rushed and poorly paced, but not the genocide of Sumatran orphans some seem to take it as. The latter is silly, inconsistent in tone and also cluttered with too many plot threads, but it has great effects and some nice action scenes.
This, so much this. Although if I had to go for something a bit more specific, spin-offs, particularly video games. Yes, they are a bit different, but that's not a bad thing good grief.FalloutJack said:
Blank-slate...yes...because the phrase "actions speak louder than words" is just a phrase.Kyrian007 said:
And come on, I doubt most people complain about the "what" of the Varia Suit bit. It's the "why" and honestly the whole "permission" business with her gear was completely idiotic.
And lastly, there's a colossal difference between "insecurities and weaknesses" and "being so mindbogglingly stupid as to actively endanger yourself for no reason when you have to means to protect yourself." I wouldn't want Samus or any other character to have that trait.
Aha, like say how Evil Dead games can be quite alot different, especially the last one, but they ARE good.Luminous_Umbra said:
I thought the film was great but in saying so I never really watched the original. I just like how over the top hotwheel the races were!Zontar said:
OT- Do I dare say Bay version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
Just to be clear, YES the film was still BAD but I was expecting ALOT WORSE (don't asked me how worse). I mean the franchise or the old cartoon was them getting into crazy situation like fighting giant robot in the city and fighting giant mutant cows (the latter did happened in the old cartoon)!
Still the film did had this spectacular scene-
This has got to be the greatest incarnation of Raph ever talking nice and praises his brothers!!
In saying so, this is coming from a guy who has seen alot of Bay movies so I guess I am used to his explosion, sexyness and sloppy action and writing.
I know a bunch of you share this disposition, but I'll cast the first stone. The Original Witcher isn't THAT bad. Then again, this gave could probably be described as having mixed opinions rather than overwhelmingly negative ones, so it might not apply here. Anyway, as one of the guys who was able to enjoy the game's strong points well enough to forgive its many flaws, that's my take on the game.
Throwing my hat in with the Mass Effect 3 group. Don't get me wrong, the original ending pissed me off. But if I hadn't enjoyed the game up to that point, it wouldn't have upset me as much. My biggest issue with the game was Kai Leng, who apparently had the special power of "plot". Why didn't he end up smeared against one of the overhangs on the Presidium? Because the plot said so.
Other than that and the original ending (EC wasn't great, but I was more able to accept it) and the biggest Villain Sue of the series, I really liked ME3.
Other than that and the original ending (EC wasn't great, but I was more able to accept it) and the biggest Villain Sue of the series, I really liked ME3.
I remember seeing that after watching Moviebob's extremely angry review on the subject....and felt it was pretty meh. I didn't like it as much as the Sam Ramie movies by far(I actually though "Evil Peter Parker" in SM3 was hilarious just because of how dorky it was, because that's truly his idea of being "bad") and it certainly felt like parts of the script got lost(The SWAT team gets turned into lizard-men and...nothing. Later on you find out it's okay, they got better) and a lot of potential was wasted, but was it terrible? Nope.Callate said:
I saw it, was somewhat entertained and have no urge to ever watch it again. I didn't bother with the sequel though.
Also, the ending of ME3. Was I hoping for more? Hell yeah. Did it feel like the writers wrote themselves into a corner by ME2 and couldn't find a way out, running out of time and money and eventually just putting something together? Yep. Did I feel like the ending ran over my dog, made me watch and then served it to me for dinner like some people seem to feel like? Nope.
And frankly, I've seen far worse endings to both individual games and trilogies(especially trilogies. I've long since automatically assumed that the 3rd book/movie/game in a trilogy will always be the weakest of the three and I've rarely been wrong). Also, concerning the Reapers justification, it worked for me as in they believed in in the logic of "preserving life in reaper form to prevent it from going extinct" despite how evil and soulless that sounds to the species getting reaperized(and probably worked better then the "Dark Energy" explanation they were originally gonna go with). The star brat was the mistake they made in explaining it, not to mention the "push a button, get an ending" method of affecting how it all turned out.
Doom wasn't terrible, but it's biggest problem can be summed up as "I liked this movie better when it was called ALIENS(and to a lesser extent Event Horizon)". Ironically, my favorite scene in the entire film is the 5 or so minutes when he's shooting things from an FPS POV. I wonder if it would have been better if they'd just filmed the entire movie like that and cut out some of the slower parts.BlackBark said:
Never got the hates for Spirits Within. Sure, it didn't have much to do with the series but most of the games don't have that much to do with each other and frankly, it's still one of the better FF-related things put on film(counting some of the series as well). The biggest problem it had was being WAY too expensive to compensate for the small core audience.