J.J. Abrams "Made a Mistake" With Leia in Force Awakens
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No, it's the third worst thing to happen to Star Wars cannon, right behind the Special Editions and the PT.dragongit said:
And I'd believe JJ a lot more if Chewbacca actually took Finn to get medical care. But you can see him dicking around with the celebrating resistance members ten feet away from where Leia and Rey are hugging it out.
Here, here.dragongit said:
I liked it, I enjoyed it for what it was, but I guess the honeymoon phase is over for certain fans, and we all know how fans like their hyperboles.
We don't find a few problems with an admittedly watchable product; we have to lambaste it, tar and feather it, then set it on fire and bash our brains in to erase its existence from the collective consciousness. Or at least, that's how a lot of people tend to react with supposedly objectionable content or anything that slights canon in admittedly small ways.
*sighs* Now I'm expecting quoting notifications going something along the lines of "A FEW PROBLEMS?! What are you on; The Force Awakens was a steaming turd on wheels! Here's a few subjective examples from the top of my head!"
I definitely don't think The Force Awakens is another Phantom Menace, but it doesn't really feel like Star Wars to me either. It's a J.J. Abrams film. That's a huuuuge improvement on latter-day Lucas. But it's a J.J. Abrams film, and that's not something I'm going to get really excited about either.dragongit said:
There was a lot of creative and Star Warsey stuff in the movie, and I appreciated that. Somebody who had half a brain cell actually gave a shit. So you can't call it the next Phantom Menace.
Draconalis said:
Luke took Anakin's body to the surface of Endor and cremated it. So it wouldn't be in the wreckage of the @nd Death Star.
I'm in agreement. No point in polishing a turd. I don't get why people are so quick to accept mediocrity. Audiences should be holding hollywood in general, and Disney in particular, to a higher standard. We shouldn't be rewarding The Force Awakens and Frozen with a billion dollars. Otherwise Disney will finally realize that they can produce a film with minimal effort, and still make money.dragongit said:
Besides, TFA has received nothing but glowing adoration for months now. It's about time that they start to hear some constructive criticism. Abrams in particular seems to be laboring under the delusion that he actually made a great film. That heads been getting a little too big. People are always entitled to their opinion, but I don't think a creatively bankrupt rehash of old ideas should be heralded this way.
People are more then welcomed to like those films.Tony2077 said:
My point is that they've received nothing glowing praise for months. A little bit of criticism is good thing. Besides, no one minded when people criticized the prequels. What's the difference. The new film isn't any better. It may be worse.
If the negative criticism of the movie is picking up, it means that we're starting to see the end of the honeymoon period the movie got when it first released where people were so excited and caught up in the nostalgia and hype surrounding the idea of 'NEW STAR WARS!' and 'IT'S NOT GEORGE LUCAS!' that they didn't care about its flaws.dragongit said:
Luke takes Vader's body with him and burns it on the moon of endor helmet and all at the end of Return of the Jedi. I don't really know why Luke kept the helmet after he burned it but Ren definitely got it from LukeDraconalis said:
the movie was really good. enjoyed it a lot and is better than expected.
at least he is honest about it, even though i didnt really see it as a huge mistake but a bit questionable for sure.
at least he is honest about it, even though i didnt really see it as a huge mistake but a bit questionable for sure.
But the real question is, what would the ghost think of having Darth Vader's helmet worshipped? XDJadak said:
Regardless of which version of Anakin's ghost you're talking about, they represent his 'good' side, not Darth Vader...
Actually some of us are perfectly capable of noticing the flaws in something, but still being able to enjoy the overall product. Yeah Force Awakens wasn't perfect, news flash, neither were the original movies. No movie is perfect, but having flaws, and noticing them, isn't the same thing as hating something, or thinking it sucks. There is a very big difference in the two things.Space Jawa said:
I could list probably 6-7 things off the top of my head that I didn't like about Force Awakens, but I can do the same thing about the original movies too. I still enjoyed them, and the new movie as well.
I've been a Star Wars fan since the seventies (and hated the prequels) and I thought The Force Awakens was pretty good, personally. Not without its flaws of course, but a good Star Wars experience.
Oh, and I suppose Splinter of the Mind's Eye is also no longer canon, if it ever was. That's sad, it was a great book.
Personally, I always thought "the worst thing to be canon" was most of the Extended Universe tripe. I'm really glad it's all gone, now. About the only part of it I'll miss is Timothy Zhan's Thrawn trilogy, they were awesome.Nazulu said:
Oh, and I suppose Splinter of the Mind's Eye is also no longer canon, if it ever was. That's sad, it was a great book.
Glad to hear them saying that scene was a mistake. It was one of the two scenes that really bugged me in the new film. Now if only they can explain why they went with R2D2 being in a coma. He's a fucking robot, get a memory dump dumb dumbs!
I believe he may have kept it as a memento of sorts, not just of his father, but as a constant reminder of what the Dark Side can do to someone (and the galaxy) and what it could do to him if he lets it.Kameburger said:
Come to think of it, from the way Ren talks about Vader in the movie, it's possible he doesn't know Vader returned to the Light at the end and sacrificed himself to destroy the Emperor. Maybe Luke told his close friends some things, but I'm guessing only he knows the full story and the rest of the galaxy only remembers Vader as a monster.
Apparently accepting that people's criticism is genuine, rather than just an attempt at being "edgy", is also so last decade.Imperioratorex Caprae said: