I'm still trying to figure out how anyone actually considers 3D in movies to be some kind of revolution. It doesn't do crap for immersion and the glasses are always annoying as hell to wear.
James Cameron Rips Into Piranha 3D
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...Can we get the man a medal? A gold star? How about a complimentary toaster? That's a brilliant idea. A movie where boobs are in the same scene as sophistication, plot, and relevance, instead of just gleefully shoehorned in? A movie, no, series of movies where the showing of a breast is not "cheap, pornographic thrills" but appropriate to show in a moment, as the appropriate culmination of passion and love and thrill? Where a post-coital topless smoke by shimmering lake as the sun sets is the pivotal moment, where a lead decides, in her freshly cleared mind, that the conflict of the movie is something worth dying for, and returns, triumphantly and charismatically, for the finish? How about a movie where a general rides atop her horse, and, in the rallying speech for her beleaguered troops, bares her breast before them, and says something like "Men! This is not my breast! This is the breast of every one of your women! This breast is the breast of our nation! And the menace before us seeks to take this breast from you! They would take what is ours, what we have fought for, what we have longed for, and what is there waiting for us! Ride with me, and help me protect this breast!" while sun gleams off of helmets, and people shout and cheer and ride forth, dramatically crushing the opposition. Where are these movies? When shall be the revolution of the breast?samsonguy920 said:
Oh, btw, a side note--it's a terrible idea to shoehorn a breast.
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...There were loose ends in Avatar? Seriously? What wasn't cleared up? Where they buried the dead soldiers?emeraldrafael said:
3D is just a new format that he was all too eager to take advantage of. Now he's ripping on other movies for taking advantage of the exact same technology. That's pretty pathetic in my opinion. Why wouldn't a modern film maker record in a format that's "hot" right now?
It is in my opinion that he's just annoyed because the story of Piranha isn't as "deep" as his story, since I think Avatar is what really helped put 3D on the map. But to hell with that, since Avatar was as two dimensional as the page of a book. Why not let any director of any film use whatever medium is available to make money? It worked perfectly well for him. It's hypocritical, I think. Anyone should be allowed to use available technology and profit or fail based on the content of the film. If it's marketed as a 3D film and *it works*, then it's made money and is successful. Complaining about anything else is pretty petty. And believe me, I care far more about a story than a spectacle (I have not seen, and have no intention to see, piranha...we made this movie a couple of times already, after all) but it's still a method available. Complaining about people using it is just stupid.
It is in my opinion that he's just annoyed because the story of Piranha isn't as "deep" as his story, since I think Avatar is what really helped put 3D on the map. But to hell with that, since Avatar was as two dimensional as the page of a book. Why not let any director of any film use whatever medium is available to make money? It worked perfectly well for him. It's hypocritical, I think. Anyone should be allowed to use available technology and profit or fail based on the content of the film. If it's marketed as a 3D film and *it works*, then it's made money and is successful. Complaining about anything else is pretty petty. And believe me, I care far more about a story than a spectacle (I have not seen, and have no intention to see, piranha...we made this movie a couple of times already, after all) but it's still a method available. Complaining about people using it is just stupid.
...Cameron says fresh off of the remake of the CG remake of Dances With Wolves starring blue alien cat people.
At least this movie is fully aware that it's trash. It's not some full-of-itself racial allegory thats moral is the deeply troublesome "the only thing to save these oppressed people from white people is another white dude".
I say this not from a defensive point of view, I've got no plan to watch Piranha 3d. I say this because Avatar was glorified junk.
At least this movie is fully aware that it's trash. It's not some full-of-itself racial allegory thats moral is the deeply troublesome "the only thing to save these oppressed people from white people is another white dude".
I say this not from a defensive point of view, I've got no plan to watch Piranha 3d. I say this because Avatar was glorified junk.
Actually 'Last Samurai' is a more accurate comparison. 'Dances with Wolves', less so.IronicBeet said:
Look, Avatar was no story telling hero, which in truth let me down a little because usually Cameron is better than that. That said, I'd rather watch Avatar again than watch say, Revenge of the Fallen again.
However, for all the internet complaining that Avatar was crap etc, remember this: Cameron set out to make his movie the way he wanted. He has lived the dream of seeing a vision to completion. It's a rare feat.
Doesn't mean he isn't a huge dick when the mood takes him though
Is everybody that posts on the Escapist a crotchety 85 year old person who thinks movies were best when they were silent and colorless? That's how this thread makes it look.
3D is a pretty cool little way to make a movie more immersive, if you have been to Disneyland you should have a good idea just how far the medium can go to draw you in. It's fun, it's cool and the only people who seem to really have a problem with it are (apparently) posting here. Not a revolution in the vein of adding sound or color but at least as revolutionary as surround sound or other "little" improvements.
What kind of screwed up vision must you have if it gives you a headache or you can't even see it? Seriously, a bunch of 85 year olds...
OT - I do agree that James Cameron is being asinine here, Pirhana 3D does look like a cheesy blast to enjoy with copious amounts of booze. I kind of want to go see it... tonight! And Step Up 3D's only mistake is to even bother having a movie. If they literally just said "Come and watch some of the countries best dancers do incredible dance numbers to sweet music for an hour with NO PLOT," I would go. Of course, I'm also a dancing fanatic.
3D is a pretty cool little way to make a movie more immersive, if you have been to Disneyland you should have a good idea just how far the medium can go to draw you in. It's fun, it's cool and the only people who seem to really have a problem with it are (apparently) posting here. Not a revolution in the vein of adding sound or color but at least as revolutionary as surround sound or other "little" improvements.
What kind of screwed up vision must you have if it gives you a headache or you can't even see it? Seriously, a bunch of 85 year olds...
OT - I do agree that James Cameron is being asinine here, Pirhana 3D does look like a cheesy blast to enjoy with copious amounts of booze. I kind of want to go see it... tonight! And Step Up 3D's only mistake is to even bother having a movie. If they literally just said "Come and watch some of the countries best dancers do incredible dance numbers to sweet music for an hour with NO PLOT," I would go. Of course, I'm also a dancing fanatic.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. It was exactly what I expected it to be: 78 minutes of blood and tits in glorious 3D. I thought it was pretty great as far as mindless summer movies go.
Indeed, a renaissance for movie theatres to try and make themselves out to not be obsolete. They now offer the priviledge to be bothered by rude, obnoxious, and unpredictable people you do not even know and wear a pair of glasses, all for a price hike at the ticket booth. The Avatar 1.3 release in theatres makes it out even more to be just a money-grab renaissance of half-efforts and trip thrills rather than any actual advance in films.
Considering that 3D was "reborn" with lame documentaries and otherwise poor films or movies aimed more at kids (cue ads with wacky effects and "woahhhhhh!"s a-plenty), I think the chaff pretty much drowns the wheat. A few good films came out in 3D or used it well, fine. But if "Piranhas 3D" is what we're going to be seeing more of now, why not revive the miserable '80s while we're killing dreams.
Anyways, I don't see the lasting appeal. I cannot see 3D anymore, but I was on hallucinogenic medication which was far more amusing (bad "trips" aside) and even that got old.
Exactly when did James Cameron become the Lord and Master of movies? Why the heck should I care what he thinks about a movie that is just a silly popcorn horror flick?
Why waste your breathe, Mr. Cameron? It's not like it's going to out compete you. Cheesy B movies have a place in the future as well. Without them, we can't have cheesy movie nights with friends or Mystery Science Theatre 3000. What will we do then when 2D screens are as archaic as 8 tracks? What will we make fun of then?
Avawhat?
Just got home from seeing Piranha 3D. That is EXACTLY what we should be doing with 3D tech.
Okay, the longer answer is: if you think you are going to hate Piranha 3D because you hate all movies like it, you might not. First, it is more a satire of B-grade horror movies than one itself, without going out of its way to make any point that it is a satire, and if you want to enjoy it as B (or C)-grade horror, the film welcomes you to do so.
Second, if you are a heterosexual male or homosexual female, there is a 5 minutes scene that might by itself be worth the price of admission.
It also has scenes that reference both Titanic and The Abyss which might have Cameron up-in-arms, then again, Avatar referenced all kinds of actually good science fiction movies, fantasy movies, and computer games, to the point where (unlike Piranha 3D) it made me wonder if there was anything original about it.
Just got home from seeing Piranha 3D. That is EXACTLY what we should be doing with 3D tech.
Okay, the longer answer is: if you think you are going to hate Piranha 3D because you hate all movies like it, you might not. First, it is more a satire of B-grade horror movies than one itself, without going out of its way to make any point that it is a satire, and if you want to enjoy it as B (or C)-grade horror, the film welcomes you to do so.
Second, if you are a heterosexual male or homosexual female, there is a 5 minutes scene that might by itself be worth the price of admission.
It also has scenes that reference both Titanic and The Abyss which might have Cameron up-in-arms, then again, Avatar referenced all kinds of actually good science fiction movies, fantasy movies, and computer games, to the point where (unlike Piranha 3D) it made me wonder if there was anything original about it.
On top of this he's also an expert of completely missing the point of other movies. My favorite foot in mouth line was from him hosting a 2001: A Space Oddesy special where he said "Kubrick showed us the most effective and powerful special effect is a well told original story." I watched the special last month and my head damn near exploded.Badazzninja said:
Can someone, ANYONE really give me a honest to goodness answer in your own opinion, When DID the artist become more important than the art? if we can even call them that anymore.
I'm sorry but 3d is nothing more then an extra Special Effect, and if we learned anything from the Star Wars prequels sfx do not make a good movie. Personally I'm getting sick of every fucking movie needing to be in 3d now.
What's next? Are they going to take classic movies and make them 3d? 3d is nothing more then Hollywood is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Would Avatar had made nearly as much money as it did if it wasn't 3d? I seriously doubt it.
What's next? Are they going to take classic movies and make them 3d? 3d is nothing more then Hollywood is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Would Avatar had made nearly as much money as it did if it wasn't 3d? I seriously doubt it.
