Japanese Mag Claims PlayStation 3 Was the Best Platform in 2010

[Deshin]

Then again I've always considered PS3 to be better than the 360 by sheer virtue of disc space, I'm still waiting for developers to realize that the PS3 version of a multi-platform game has a TON of extra space that is just not used.

If they'd actually used the full potential of the hardware and disc space the 360 would only be able to compete through exclusives, which are becoming a rarity.

The "Install to hard drive" feature makes this a redundant premise. If it wasn't the fact that Microsoft seem to have a stick up their arse about verifying every single disc in a multi-disc title like FFXIII or ME2 then even the argument of disc swapping being an inconvienience would be thrown out the window. And even so, going back and looking at your argument some more... "a ton of extra space that they could fill" by this token steam games should have hundreds of GB of data because computer hard drives are huge and have a "ton of extra space they could fill", it's a really flawed argument even from the get go...

 

[Andronicus]

Actaully, it was quite obviously sarcasm; you were making fun of the fact that a Japanese magazine awarded best platform to a Japanese console, alluding to some kind of bias for Japanese hardware. It just appeared to me that you failed to take into account the fact that another Japanese console was placed last, so I just thought your "sarcasm" was unfounded and irrelevant.

If you meant something else entirely, then I sincerely apologise. However, if this is the case, then you're, like, totally the smartest guy ever and should definitely use sarcasm in all your posts from now on, because they're so obvious and funny.

That last part was sarcasm, by the way.

Oh come on, you're being needlessly unfair. Out of the 3 consoles it's pretty obvious the Wii is spiraling to 3rd place. The argument here is out of the 2 consoles which have a realistic potential to hit 1st place they placed an unfair bias and bonus to the Sony machine.

You suggest I should just ignore the Wii altogether because it isn't doing as well as it used to, and just focus on those with a "realistic" potential of "winning"? And I'm being unfair? Please. Just remember, although the Wii isn't doing so well now, the XBox was mostly shunned in Japan anyway.

Besides, as OrokuSaki said, if there was a Japanese bias, the rank would be PS3, Wii then XBox. Look, I'm just calling it as I see it; each console had just as much opportunity to win as the others. Not, mind you, that I really care what Famitsu in particular has to say in the matter, but that's just me.

 

[Deshin]

Since this is a console debate, I'm just gonna say that PS3 and 360 can duke it out all they want because they are still only fighting for second place.

That said, I am a PC gamer and I call the shots on console wars like I see em.

The PC is as much of a video game system as an iPhone is. Sure it plays games but that's not the PC's primary function. The primary function of a video games console is to play video games. PC isn't entered into the equation because, by definition, it doesn't qualify to be in the running.

PC gaming is only as big as it is because more people own PCs over consoles because of the PC's primary function of network communication.

 

[Tomo Stryker]

WHAT?!?!

A Japanese system wins Best Platform by a Japanese Magazine?!?

I am shocked and appalled!

No way! How could that happen, a Japanese made console scores best in Japan?! This is so unbiased that I will literally throw away my three thousand dollar custom made PC and go out and purchase a PS3 right now!

Please, spare me this garbage. Of course they are going to nominate their own console. This is almost as bad as that scene that was stolen from Top Gun and posted on Chinese show.

 

[OrokuSaki]

Then again I've always considered PS3 to be better than the 360 by sheer virtue of disc space, I'm still waiting for developers to realize that the PS3 version of a multi-platform game has a TON of extra space that is just not used.

If they'd actually used the full potential of the hardware and disc space the 360 would only be able to compete through exclusives, which are becoming a rarity.

The "Install to hard drive" feature makes this a redundant premise. If it wasn't the fact that Microsoft seem to have a stick up their arse about verifying every single disc in a multi-disc title like FFXIII or ME2 then even the argument of disc swapping being an inconvienience would be thrown out the window. And even so, going back and looking at your argument some more... "a ton of extra space that they could fill" by this token steam games should have hundreds of GB of data because computer hard drives are huge and have a "ton of extra space they could fill", it's a really flawed argument even from the get go...

True, but Steam is a PC exclusive, which I've already stated, can't be of relevance in a console war. (PC isn't a console and can win hands-down against anything on the market)But the point that I'm trying to make is this: all multi-port games are made twice, once for the 360 AND PS3, and once for the Wii. So why not treat the PS3 and 360 like totally different consoles and develop the games 3 times (As I type this I'm aware it would be a drag on money and resources but I'm idealizing the situation.)? Because while it does seem "unfair" to 360 gamers, they SHOULD be limited by the abilities of their console just like people who thought the Wii could compete as a gaming platform.

I can understand why one wouldn't want to artificially lengthen every game, but for a game that has space on the disk and that you're just going to release DLC for anyways, not adding it to the original game is just a new way to suck $6-$20 out of loyal fans.

 

[Deshin]

Besides, as OrokuSaki said, if there was a Japanese bias, the rank would be PS3, Wii then XBox.

There's a difference between "biased" and "****ing stupid". No serious magazine like Famitsu, even though Nintendo is Japanese, would think of alluding that as a serious games console the Wii outperforms the 360 in terms of quality of games.

The argument of bias here is because they averaged off a lot of their games, most of which many people feel were rated with bias because, on the whole, Famitsu tends to give Japanese games a higher score. As in Japan there are more Japanese PS3 games than Japanese 360 games it's only natural that the numbers would show PS3 coming ahead but it's still biased and doesn't reflect the consoles or games as a whole. I'm not saying 360 is better then the PS2 at all, but the *reason* Famitsu gave as to why they considered the PS3 better is a reason riddled with bias and obvious shoulder rubbing.

 

[Deshin]

Because while it does seem "unfair" to 360 gamers, they SHOULD be limited by the abilities of their console just like people who thought the Wii could compete as a gaming platform.

I can understand why one wouldn't want to artificially lengthen every game, but for a game that has space on the disk and that you're just going to release DLC for anyways, not adding it to the original game is just a new way to suck $6-$20 out of loyal fans.

But that's where you make no sense at all. Disc space IS NOT LIMITED on the 360, it's not a system limitation. If a company wants to add another 5 GB worth of data they just add an extra disc to the 360 version... it's not rocket science... Look at Final Fantasy XIII: The PS3 version had one blu ray disc and the 360 version had 3 DVDs, they both made up the entirety of the game and if SquareEnix wanted to add more content upon release they'd have just added more discs to both versions. You saying "not adding more to a game because the PS3 version has bigger discs" is as stupid as me saying "not adding more to a game because this 360 game box can easily hold more discs in it."

And a fun fact, though the PlayStation 3 has a stronger Central Processing Unit, the Xbox 360 has the strongest Graphical Processing Unit. Both have their limitations and both surpass the other in specific areas.

The DLC thing is another argument completely. If you think devs release dlc seperately because of the 360's disc space then I'm done with this intelligent debate on the grounds of I refuse to battle an unarmed opponent.

 

[Kroxile]

Since this is a console debate, I'm just gonna say that PS3 and 360 can duke it out all they want because they are still only fighting for second place.

That said, I am a PC gamer and I call the shots on console wars like I see em.

The PC is as much of a video game system as an iPhone is. Sure it plays games but that's not the PC's primary function. The primary function of a video games console is to play video games. PC isn't entered into the equation because, by definition, it doesn't qualify to be in the running.

PC gaming is only as big as it is because more people own PCs over consoles because of the PC's primary function of network communication.

I'm not 100% on just what you were trying to tell me here, but I think you may have gotten my message mixed up, lol.

I said this being a console debate (meaning PC, which is obviously the superior platform, is exempt) it doesn't matter who wins between PS3 and 360 because the Wii is still killing both platforms. Then I went on to say that I am a PC gamer (to indicate I have no bias in the console market, I really couldn't care less) but I call the shots like I see em (meaning sales figures).

I also know The Escapist is rife with frothing at the mouth Wii hate, but I think most of that comes from the fact that the little console that could is trouncing the "hardcore" gamers' console of choice and they can't stand it. There is a reason why Kinect and Move came out, you know... and it certainly isn't due to Microsoft and Sony having a stroke of innovation.

OT: blah blah blah japanese mag says their own console is better than the americans, blah blah blah

 

[darksakul]

Opinions are opinions are opinions. Nothing more nothing less.

Having a Magazine (any) publish their opinions based on the evidence laid before them though their own perspectives ended favoring one system over another.

Regardless of I agree with this Japanese game magazine or not, for me to flame is to tell them they are wrong would be also punish every critic out there, including much of the Escapist for doing their job.

To me personally you ask me which console is better, I will hold Microsoft's RROD record over their heads like a felony conviction and state the PS3 has Superior hardware in reliability alone. I base this on how many people report RROD problems. Likewise alot of people in the US is bias towards Xbox 360 because it is an "American" brand (made overseas) and PS3 is expensive.

As far as games concern, I say this for every 1 Xbox 360 game I got in 2010 I got 2 or 3 PS3 games. And if the game is on both systems, I usually go for the PS3 version.

I end with this line form Armegedon (the movie)Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!

 

[Deshin]

I'm not 100% on just what you were trying to tell me here, but I think you may have gotten my message mixed up, lol.

I said this being a console debate (meaning PC, which is obviously the superior platform, is exempt) it doesn't matter who wins between PS3 and 360 because the Wii is still killing both platforms. Then I went on to say that I am a PC gamer (to indicate I have no bias in the console market, I really couldn't care less) but I call the shots like I see em (meaning sales figures).

I also know The Escapist is rife with frothing at the mouth Wii hate, but I think most of that comes from the fact that the little console that could is trouncing the "hardcore" gamers' console of choice and they can't stand it. There is a reason why Kinect and Move came out, you know... and it certainly isn't due to Microsoft and Sony having a stroke of innovation.

OT: blah blah blah japanese mag says their own console is better than the americans, blah blah blah

Point 1. If by "trouncing" you mean "selling a lot of physical systems because it's the cheapest and naive parents buy it for their kids and end up buying 3-5 games in the entirety of the console's lifespan" then sure, we're on the same page. Wii has sold more console units sure but the number of actual games being sold paints the Wii in a different light.

Point 2. I was challenging your pretentious notion of the PC being the better platform. I'd say neither one is 'superior' as a platform over the other due to too many variables at play. If you want customization and modding then sure, go with PCs; but PCs have a *lot* of flaws that a console just wouldn't have due to their nature. So when it boils down to sitting down and playing games, the console does the better job.

I look at PC vs consoles like home media vs cinema. PC is your home media, where you setup your own peripherals (tv, speakers, etc) and media viewing optimisation (let's be honest, we've all watched a few dvds naked before, feelsgoodman). Cinema is simple "go in, sit down, enjoy someone else doing all the hard work", I could also make a crack about cinemas are more social in nature and make the most money for movie-makers because it's significantly easier to pirate home media than to sneak into a cinema, but that'd be a cheap shot.

 

[Kroxile]

I'm not 100% on just what you were trying to tell me here, but I think you may have gotten my message mixed up, lol.

I said this being a console debate (meaning PC, which is obviously the superior platform, is exempt) it doesn't matter who wins between PS3 and 360 because the Wii is still killing both platforms. Then I went on to say that I am a PC gamer (to indicate I have no bias in the console market, I really couldn't care less) but I call the shots like I see em (meaning sales figures).

I also know The Escapist is rife with frothing at the mouth Wii hate, but I think most of that comes from the fact that the little console that could is trouncing the "hardcore" gamers' console of choice and they can't stand it. There is a reason why Kinect and Move came out, you know... and it certainly isn't due to Microsoft and Sony having a stroke of innovation.

OT: blah blah blah japanese mag says their own console is better than the americans, blah blah blah

Point 1. If by "trouncing" you mean "selling a lot of physical systems because it's the cheapest and naive parents buy it for their kids and end up buying 3-5 games in the entirety of the console's lifespan" then sure, we're on the same page. Wii has sold more console units sure but the number of actual games being sold paints the Wii in a different light.

Point 2. I was challenging your pretentious notion of the PC being the better platform. I'd say neither one is 'superior' as a platform over the other due to too many variables at play. If you want customization and modding then sure, go with PCs; but PCs have a *lot* of flaws that a console just wouldn't have due to their nature. So when it boils down to sitting down and playing games, the console does the better job.

I look at PC vs consoles like home media vs cinema. PC is your home media, where you setup your own peripherals (tv, speakers, etc) and media viewing optimisation (let's be honest, we've all watched a few dvds naked before, feelsgoodman). Cinema is simple "go in, sit down, enjoy someone else doing all the hard work", I could also make a crack about cinemas are more social in nature and make the most money for movie-makers because it's significantly easier to pirate home media than to sneak into a cinema, but that'd be a cheap shot.

I'm not going to get dragged into a fanboy's war here, bro.

But your points are opinions and nothing more.

 

[Deshin]

I'm not going to get dragged into a fanboy's war here, bro.

But your points are opinions and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of games on the PC I know would be utter crap on a console (like FFXI), and though I come off as a major 360 fan I LOVE Sony's PS, PS2 and PSP and am the first to call MS out on their bs. I just hate when people make blanket statements saying one system is "obviously superior", which if you ask me is pretty blatent fanboyism, but hey because more people say it it's safe to hide behind and not be accused of being a fanboy.

One example: About a year ago I wanted to play through FFVIII again so I dug around and found my old copy of the PC version. I installed it and went to play it, screen tearing horribly... ok so go online and look for a solution (time taken)... my graphics drivers are "too new" for such an old game so I had to install some previous verions (time taken)... then doing so had to go through the usual reboots and waiting around (time taken). Game's still being funny with audio so I look online again (time taken) and find out the audio compression is too old for my system, so I once again tinker around with drivers etc etc etc. In the end I just said "screw this", dug out my PS1 version and my old PS1, connected it to the TV, it booted up and fine first time and I started playing within 2 minutes.

That's your "superiority" at work?

 

[KingofallCosmos]

Let alone what console is best, I would always go for 2 great innovative games over several generic good games

 

[Deshin]

Or another example, if I may:

This one time we had a small get together of friends for a weekend and some decided to bring their laptops. Then we decided "lets do a Lan!" and got psyched for it. First we compared which games we all had, in the end the only game we all shared in common was Call of Duty 2 so that was that. Then the router only had 4 ports on it and we had 5 people, so I had to drive my friend to his place to get his 8 port hub for us to play. Then we noticed a distinct lack of cords so had to go round the local shop for some more cat5 cabling. Then one friend had a Mac so we spent a little while figuring out how the hell to get it talking on the Lan.

Long story short after about 5 hours of dicking about we got it working and played for an hour. The next day I brought over Soul Calibur 2 and we had a BLAST.

See how variables can render a term such as "superiority" meaningless?

 

[Deshin]

Not really, you're forgetting the royalties devs have to pay to MS for multiple disc games. The argument is only flawed, because extra work would be required to fill the PS3 disc, ie more goodies for PS3 owners. This happens on ocassion with Xbox 'Exclusives' that turn out to only be timed exclusives, then they come limping to Sony, wanting to publish their title on there as well. Sony then forces them to do more work, to bring more content to the PS3 version to differentiate it from the rest. It may not be an incovenience to the end-user (although, if the tables were turned 360 owners would be saying HAH we only need 1 disc! nyah!), but it certainly is inconvenient to the developer.

Other way around, it's in the company's best interests to do the 1 year Exclusivity deal because: If you release a game on both platforms you'll get people buying for their respective system and the gap inbetween that has both will pick one version.

If you sign an exclusivity deal (which gets you more money initially, might I add) then the next year when you add the "+1" version for the other system you get to make more sales from that middle bracket because some people will buy the same game twice due to the additional content.

It's just companies out to bleed their consumers dry.

 

[Kroxile]

I'm not going to get dragged into a fanboy's war here, bro.

But your points are opinions and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of games on the PC I know would be utter crap on a console (like FFXI), and though I come off as a major 360 fan I LOVE Sony's PS, PS2 and PSP and am the first to call MS out on their bs. I just hate when people make blanket statements saying one system is "obviously superior", which if you ask me is pretty blatent fanboyism, but hey because more people say it it's safe to hide behind and not be accused of being a fanboy.

One example: About a year ago I wanted to play through FFVIII again so I dug around and found my old copy of the PC version. I installed it and went to play it, screen tearing horribly... ok so go online and look for a solution (time taken)... my graphics drivers are "too new" for such an old game so I had to install some previous verions (time taken)... then doing so had to go through the usual reboots and waiting around (time taken). Game's still being funny with audio so I look online again (time taken) and find out the audio compression is too old for my system, so I once again tinker around with drivers etc etc etc. In the end I just said "screw this", dug out my PS1 version and my old PS1, connected it to the TV, it booted up and fine first time and I started playing within 2 minutes.

That's your "superiority" at work?

so you took the time to dig out your old PS1 and hook it up to your TV but you couldn't take the all of 5 minutes it took to get your drivers in order?

Yeah, that's my superiority at work.

 

[Deshin]

Funny because i have statistics of 2010, and yet it did better than both consoles. If it did better than both consoles while it the PC's main function is "networking" imagine how well it would do if it was actually trying.

The thing is the PC is considered a gaming machine because the PC is where the gaming magic happens. Everything the consoles have, the PC has had for a while. The iphone cannot make that same boast.

Looks like I'll have to elaborate.

A *LOT* of people have PCs, this is no small exadgeration. When you compare the number of people in the world who have a computer to the number of people in the world who have a PS3, it's a huge difference. Now the number of people who have a PS3 *primarily* for video games is about 95% (other 5% for bluray, etc, just a rough number) wheras the number of people who have a PC *primarily* for video games is more like 5% (rest used for work, networking, etc). However, not only does the 5% userbase make the PS3's 95% userbase look like small pickings due to sheer numbers but there's nothing stopping people in the other 95% range of PC owners from picking up and playing a few games. (ok so maybe out of the remaining 95% of computers let's say only 20% are capable of playing games within the last decade)

So now do you see why PC game sales absolutely dominate console game sales? It purely comes down to the majority of people have a computer *anyway* so purchasing an additional piece of hardware to play a title you could obtain on your existing hardware becomes pointless.

Saturation does not equal superiority.