Japanese Mag Claims PlayStation 3 Was the Best Platform in 2010

[Deshin]

so you took the time to dig out your old PS1 and hook it up to your TV but you couldn't take the all of 5 minutes it took to get your drivers in order?

Yeah, that's my superiority at work.

So you're saying you could go online, find the exact issue via forums/tech, find the exact names and urls of the required drivers, download them, extract them, run them, reboot your system, and do a quick test to make sure your other games/apps still work fine within FIVE MINUTES?

Bullshit.

 

[Kroxile]

so you took the time to dig out your old PS1 and hook it up to your TV but you couldn't take the all of 5 minutes it took to get your drivers in order?

Yeah, that's my superiority at work.

So you're saying you could go online, find the exact issue via forums/tech, find the exact names and urls of the required drivers, download them, extract them, run them, reboot your system, and do a quick test to make sure your other games/apps still work fine withing FIVE MINUTES?

Bullshit.

*yawn* You obviously don't know what you're doing if you can't figure it out within a short timeframe. I find this is the number 1 problem console gamers have with PCs; they simply don't know what they're doing so they call shenanigans on the whole thing.

The only bullshit here is that I'm actually debating you on this, lol. Go ahead and get your last word in, bro. There's no reasoning with fanboys.

I'm outta here.

 

[OrokuSaki]

But that's where you make no sense at all. Disc space IS NOT LIMITED on the 360, it's not a system limitation. If a company wants to add another 5 GB worth of data they just add an extra disc to the 360 version... it's not rocket science... Look at Final Fantasy XIII: The PS3 version had one blu ray disc and the 360 version had 3 DVDs, they both made up the entirety of the game and if Square Enix wanted to add more content upon release they'd have just added more discs to both versions. You saying "not adding more to a game because the PS3 version has bigger discs" is as stupid as me saying "not adding more to a game because this 360 game box can easily hold more discs in it."

And a fun fact, though the PlayStation 3 has a stronger Central Processing Unit, the Xbox 360 has the strongest Graphical Processing Unit. Both have their limitations and both surpass the other in specific areas.

The DLC thing is another argument completely. If you think devs release dlc seperately because of the 360's disc space then I'm done with this intelligent debate on the grounds of I refuse to battle an unarmed opponent.[/quote]

I am aware that DLC is made as a way to make more money, to think otherwise would, as you said, be nonsense. But while it is true that you could add more disks to the box, at some point it would become ridiculous, you'd have to make bigger and bigger boxes.

But the point is that with the exception of exclusives, the PS3 is limited by the fact that developers treat it as if it's just a differently encoded 360. So all the dual-port games are made to fit inside the average 360 disk leaving tons of space on a blu-ray disk.

Suddenly this seems pretty far from the topic, but still in the general constraints of the console war. On the original topic none of the 360 exclusives made me run to the local game store and buy a 360 to play it. But I know of several people that I personally know who ran to stores just for the new God of War alone.

 

[Deshin]

When you're done developing a game, it's gone gold and shipped, the last thing you want to do is have to get all of your devs back, set up all the programmers and work on the IP...more. It prevents them from moving on to their next IP. And, let's be honest, there's no way they'll make as much off of the PS3 vers, than doing a whole new iteration that's multiplatform.

So all that DLC I've got for the majority of my games just popped up out of nowhere and required no development at all? Borderlands, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, all this DLC just happened to be sitting around the office and they forgot to add them to the disc?

The "extra goodies" that come with a port coming off of a 1 year exclusivity deal is usually nothing but dressed up DLC. The hard part is making the game in the first place, once it's all finished tacking something extra onto it like a new character or another level doesn't require nearly as much funding or manpower as it did to initially create the game. In fact it wouldn't be a stretch to say the dev company was already working on the port when it went gold for the first system with the intent to ship it in the year's time.

 

[Deshin]

I am aware that DLC is made as a way to make more money, to think otherwise would, as you said, be nonsense. But while it is true that you could add more disks to the box, at some point it would become ridiculous, you'd have to make bigger and bigger boxes.

But the point is that with the exception of exclusives, the PS3 is limited by the fact that developers treat it as if it's just a differently encoded 360. So all the dual-port games are made to fit inside the average 360 disk leaving tons of space on a blu-ray disk.

Suddenly this seems pretty far from the topic, but still in the general constraints of the console war. On the original topic none of the 360 exclusives made me run to the local game store and buy a 360 to play it. But I know of several people that I personally know who ran to stores just for the new God of War alone.

You offer fair and decent rebuttles (unlike the one above you), I like you. On the box argument, a typical box can hold 3 maybe 4 DVDs. I don't think there are many games out there that takes up more than 25 GB of space so in the end it does boil down there being an upper ceiling of what amount of data can be packaged into a single box and the Xbox and PS3 are well within that limit, disc wise and physical box size, for this point in time. (maybe in 20 years on the other hand, we'd need bigger discs or bigger boxes, assuming we're not all entirely digital distribution by then)

As for the coding bit, you do make a good point, but that comes down to the maker of the game. Typically the game will either be available on PC/360/PS3 (Borderlands for example) or just 360/PS3 (Red Dead Redemption for example). In the case of the former the dev will typically create the PC version first and foremost and then port it out to the other two systems. If the data is too large for the 360's DVD then the dev either makes it multi-disc or adds higher compression or removes/shaves content. Although typically designed using the PC version as the default this isn't always the case, an example is FFXI. The PC version is more or less a glorified PS2 emulator, hell we didn't even have an alt-tab function that didn't crash the game until about 3 years into the game's life.

In the case of a 360/PS3 release then it really is up to the dev which one will be the "default" and which one will be the "port" if you get my terminology. The port will typically be slightly lesser quality unless the dev went the extra mile with making the port run smooth as silk, but in the end you have to realise most companies aren't going out there looking to make games larger than a few gigs regardless of "potential" disc size.

Also GoW3 was alright but brought nothing new to the table after GoW and GoW2. More of the same isn't a bad thing but I'd hardly call it a deal breaker. Now if you mentioned Uncharted 2 or Heavy Rain then I'd agree those hold more weight, but I personally found Gears of War, Fable 2 (3 was nice, 2 was better), Dead Rising (the first one), and Mass Effect (also first) to be up there with what influenced me to focus more on the Xbox this console generation than Sony's machine.

Quick Edit: Just saw the other post. The problem here wasn't "Updating" drivers, but installing "Older" drivers because the game was so old the modern DX10 wasn't rendering properly. Had to find the right driver to make the game run without looking like it had fallen into a blender while still being able to play Civilization 5. Get me?

 

[weker]

so you took the time to dig out your old PS1 and hook it up to your TV but you couldn't take the all of 5 minutes it took to get your drivers in order?

Yeah, that's my superiority at work.

So you're saying you could go online, find the exact issue via forums/tech, find the exact names and urls of the required drivers, download them, extract them, run them, reboot your system, and do a quick test to make sure your other games/apps still work fine within FIVE MINUTES?

Bullshit.

your making some good points (I have a differnt veiw) but it seems like border line flaming.
You can easily update drivers in 5 mins even less, hell you could do in 2 mins if you have update software.

PC gaming I find the best because it always has the best innovation, almost always has best quality, cheapest for hardcore, best exlusives, modding, more activy communities on a broader selection of games and the best communities by far especially with MMOs.

only downside people fear the tech and think it takes more work then it does, furthermore they think it cost more then it actualy does and
(anyone who says this is a moron ->) stupidly think they need to update it every month.

(soz for spelling or grammer)

 

[Deshin]

your making some good points (I have a differnt veiw) but it seems like border line flaming.
You can easily update drivers in 5 mins even less, hell you could do in 2 mins if you have update software.

PC gaming I find the best because it always has the best innovation, almost always has best quality, cheapest for hardcore, best exlusives, modding, more activy communities on a broader selection of games and the best communities by far especially with MMOs.

only downside people fear the tech and think it takes more work then it does, furthermore they think it cost more then it actualy does and
(anyone who says this is a moron ->) stupidly think they need to update it every month.

(soz for spelling or grammer)

Not flaming, just am getting tired of trying to hold up 3 different points
Updating drivers is easy, but I didn't want to *update* the drivers, I wanted to *downgrade* the drivers or find a driver with special allocations made for DX6 applications. Sorry I keep coming back to FFXI but that's really one of the best examples I have. When I upgraded my PC back in '09 I ran into nothing but problems with FFXI; anyone who plays it will understand my pain when I say "Nvidia 8x running FFXI". Put simply the GPU and CPU were "too new" for FFXI to handle properly. I was coming to crawls of 5 FPS in what is essentially a PS2 port on a system capable of running Crysis with high settings. The solution was not "a 5 minute update", it took me and 3 other XI techs weeks to finally find the correct mix and match of tweaks and fixes to get the thing working in a somewhat reliable order.

 

[Deshin]

Your best bet, honestly, is simply to type the problem into google. I don't know your exact problem, but just googing FFXI PC won't run, comes up with a plethora of fixes and solutions (depending on configs/symptoms etc..), and with a few more keywords from you (because you'd know exactly how it's behaving more than I..is what I mean), you can likely lock down your solution in under 5 minutes. I'm not kidding.

I don't know who you talked to, but the basic train of thought is, someone's run into your exact same problem already and had the technical know-how to fix it and posted the entire thing online somewhere. I've honestly never run into a problem I couldn't fix, using this strategy.

Btw, I'm not saying this to annoy you, just trying to be helpful. Knowledge Bases, are one of the best things about the internet.

Trust me man, if it was that easy I'd have figured it out. It was a whole big thing because nvidia's 8x series caused a LOT of complications with FFXI and neither party would budge on the matter. SE said it was nvidia's fault and they needed to patch their drivers and nvidia said it was SE's fault for running an outdated and archaic architecture. Trust me on this, there was no easy fix. (apart from buying a Radeon...) This was more a case of poor design and implementation on SE's part though, but I digress.

This thread really did seem to get away from me though... My original argument was no system was ultimately superior to the other because depending on what you're doing, what you want to play, how you want to play, etc etc are all variables that renders the concept of "superior system" to be laughable. I'd thought my argument was quite agreeable for all parties but then got the "you're a fanboy, pc master-race, you don't know how to use a computer" comments thrown at me so I felt I needed to drive the point and hopefully change a few perspectives. My apologies for the massive derailment.

 

[Proverbial Jon]

This might come off as hypocritical, but i'm absolutely with you as far as Halo Reach is concerned. I love that it catered to players like myself who preferred precision based shooting in a way not honored since Combat Evolved. But it's still HALO, not much variety. Plus considering it's predecessor Halo 3 and the ODST expansion, calling it "Best of Halo" isn't really high praise. The Brutes always were just one stupid fucking joke of an enemy. Plus i can't really choose Halo over the PS3 exclusive Resistance: Fall of Man because i haven't played Resistance: Fall of Man.
...nor will i anytime soon. I'm planning to get a PS3 for inFamous and The Last Guardian.

I agree with you there, as far as Halo is concerned. Halo just hasn't been the same since Combat Evolved and Reach was the first game that started to feel anything like it for me. But this isn't a Halo bashing/praising thread...

I think games on the PS3 are made to a much higher quality with far better production values than those on the Xbox. Uncharted 2 is a shining example, as is Heavy Rain and Metal Gear Solid 4.

I have only been a PS3 owner for a couple of months so I guess I still had my Xbox hat on when I made the original comment, why I'm still defending Microsoft is beyond me. However I've played a little of Resistence:FOM, as well as Killzone 2 and to be perfectly honest, as far as gameplay in FPSs go, I wasn't that impressed. I'd play Halo with its unrealistic battles and terribly OTT storyline any day.

 

[RheynbowDash]

WHAT?!?!

A Japanese system wins Best Platform by a Japanese Magazine?!?

I am shocked and appalled!

Err, you do realise that Nintendo is a Japanese company, right? And that the Wii was ranked last? The Wii is made by Nintendo, in case you didn't catch that connection either.

I really don't think the article is as biased as you seem to think.

You obviously dont recognize sarcasm when you hear it.

Actaully, it was quite obviously sarcasm; you were making fun of the fact that a Japanese magazine awarded best platform to a Japanese console, alluding to some kind of bias for Japanese hardware. It just appeared to me that you failed to take into account the fact that another Japanese console was placed last, so I just thought your "sarcasm" was unfounded and irrelevant.

If you meant something else entirely, then I sincerely apologise. However, if this is the case, then you're, like, totally the smartest guy ever and should definitely use sarcasm in all your posts from now on, because they're so obvious and funny.

That last part was sarcasm, by the way.

Wow. That burn was so epic, I just may kill myself. Congrats.

 

[weker]

your making some good points (I have a differnt veiw) but it seems like border line flaming.
You can easily update drivers in 5 mins even less, hell you could do in 2 mins if you have update software.

PC gaming I find the best because it always has the best innovation, almost always has best quality, cheapest for hardcore, best exlusives, modding, more activy communities on a broader selection of games and the best communities by far especially with MMOs.

only downside people fear the tech and think it takes more work then it does, furthermore they think it cost more then it actualy does and
(anyone who says this is a moron ->) stupidly think they need to update it every month.

(soz for spelling or grammer)

Not flaming, just am getting tired of trying to hold up 3 different points
Updating drivers is easy, but I didn't want to *update* the drivers, I wanted to *downgrade* the drivers or find a driver with special allocations made for DX6 applications. Sorry I keep coming back to FFXI but that's really one of the best examples I have. When I upgraded my PC back in '09 I ran into nothing but problems with FFXI; anyone who plays it will understand my pain when I say "Nvidia 8x running FFXI". Put simply the GPU and CPU were "too new" for FFXI to handle properly. I was coming to crawls of 5 FPS in what is essentially a PS2 port on a system capable of running Crysis with high settings. The solution was not "a 5 minute update", it took me and 3 other XI techs weeks to finally find the correct mix and match of tweaks and fixes to get the thing working in a somewhat reliable order.

fair play you do get the rare game on pc which does causes problems but still feel the benefits out way the cons by miles

 

[Mrsoupcup]

The Japanese industry has always favored the PS3, so no surprise here. Whether the PS3 really was the best is up for debate. The 360 had a strong year as well as the PC. Kinda comes down to opinion rather than fact...

 

[Vyress]

WHAT?!?!

A Japanese system wins Best Platform by a Japanese Magazine?!?

I am shocked and appalled!

Just like western customer like Xbox360 better.

Nah, the PS3 owns the 360 in Europe as well.

 

[James Raynor]

Sorry, have to say it, no mention of the PC?

Because the PC is simply so good that it'd win every year and thus it is disqualified.