Japanese Nier Hero was "Too Girly" for Americans

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'Eh. Both are kinda silly to me, but I reckon I'd take the bishonen over the macho guy, just because he looks less... stupid.

Though a middle ground would be nice.
 

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Akalistos said:
The_General said:
a personal note: don't be a racist jerk (hamburger Munchers). You don't see us laughing because (and if) you came from Danemark and the biggest stretch of land you got is a iceberg inhabitable on the other side of the planet.
Easy there Maple boy!

HAHAHAHHAHA!

Don't mind!
 

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Cod of War said:
Raiden was actually a decent, well written character and back in the day would have been played by Leonardo DiCaprio in a movie cause he has a thing for those kind of romantic hero roles.

Don't diss Raiden ever! EVERYONE wanted to play as him in MGS4

The guy from Nier... booorrrinng!!
He looked girly. Really girly. The only reason i like Raiden is because the S3 plan (SOLID SNAKE SIMULATIONS) wasn't meant for him but for the gamer. If the chose a normal character like snake, or remove the long hair and give him more masculine face, That game would have been the Holy Graal of gaming.
 

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He looked fine. The only problem might have been the long blonde hair. Otherwise he was built like a gymnast. The girly look also worked because he was mocked because of it. The president harassing you to check your gender must have been a HUGE hit to his ego. JRPG's don't do that.
 

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Cod of War said:
Akalistos said:
The_General said:
a personal note: don't be a racist jerk (hamburger Munchers). You don't see us laughing because (and if) you came from Danemark and the biggest stretch of land you got is a iceberg inhabitable on the other side of the planet.
Easy there Maple boy!

HAHAHAHHAHA!
Don't mind!
I don't! I love Curry. MmmMmm
 

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I think the original one looks better. I'm not a fan of the western steroid protagonists.

Its a choice between bishonnen boy and Muscle March man. I'd have to lean to the former.
 

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Cod of War said:
He looked fine. The only problem might have been the long blonde hair. Otherwise he was built like a gymnast. The girly look also worked because he was mocked because of it. The president harassing you to check your gender must have been a HUGE hit to his ego. JRPG's don't do that.
Is this about what i said about Raiden? Yeah, He was build as a gymnast but his face has feminine traits. If it were made in the USA, he would be a Gear of War type. In France, he would have strange mannerism. In England, he would have a added mission before the president die where he would had to fetch tea for him. (Those are Exageration, by the ways)

It always depend what's cool, and that notion differ from place to place.
 

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I'm just wondering...
Why start now? JRPG characters have been girly for a long, long time now. It's kind of just one of those things that make them what they are.
 

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Because that's bad. We need more middle of the road, everyman type.
Unfortunately the developers were dumb and made the other extreme thinking all Westerners like meat head when it's only the 13 year old immature ones.

I want more MEN (Nathan Drake) & WOMEN (Alyx Vance, maybe even Samus) not meat heads or pansy's.
 

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BlueHighwind said:
So in the world of gaming today I can either play as a gritty ugly behemoth of a man drowning in violence and misery, or I could play as a bitter androgynous teenager. Is it too much to ask for some kind of third option?
This is why I liked the prince in Sands of Time and the 2009 reboot. He was in shape, you'd have to be if you're running around like that, but he wasn't like a Kratos where he's all muscle and nothing else. He was shaped as a human tends to be shaped.
 

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I approve of this.

I used to not mind the effeminate teenage male heroes in Japanese games, but honestly I do see them as just annoying now. It's interesting to see Square Enix acknowledging that different cultures don't tend to see their angsty teens in the same way. I just hope they don't assume "macho old guys" is the only thing we tend to like, because that'll get old too.
 

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It's borderline racist actually

"Oh you silly Americans (As if that's the only country besides them), you only like big bad brutes"

Were are the Latino, Punjabi and French versions?

EDIT:

They should have made him a GINGER!
 

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Sincerest apologies, Square Enix. You see, here in the West, we like our men with testicles.

With all the Final Fantasy games Squeenix has released in the States and Europe, they're just now taking lady-boys out of the game. That's incredible.

Hell, I don't even mind the bishies. If they're good characters, the looks don't mean too much.
 

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It's funny because if you had a real Japanese guy in the Final Fantasy games they would look pretty normal. It's the mainstream anime like Dragonball that ruined it.
 

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Korean JRPGs also tend to use girly men ... so you know that this outlook is not only from the Japanese.

there are japanese games that tried not to use the girly man approach and they aren't as successful as the other approach. so i can see the japanese developer's point of view. They don't want to lose the sure bet in their native land.
 

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ForgottenPr0digy said:
Deofuta said:
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*cough Cloud could have wielded that sword cough*

I don't mind having a Bishonen male lead they had for the final fantasy games.
I agree, The Bishonen path seemed to have worked for every final fantasy they made, why change it up just for an American Viewpoint.

However, I did like the idea of a father/daughter relationship. Seems like a nice change up from the normal stuff.
Does the Japanese ps3 version with the bishonen Nier still have the father/daughter relationship?
No, it is a Big Brother/Little Sister Relationship, one that is incredibly common in JRPG's I believe.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Hey, "the macho old guy" might be silly too but when it comes to cleaning house, I'll take that over the "skinny emo child [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1703-Nier]" any day.
Seconded! Enough with the androgynous young boys, already! We want men, real me... *cough* Um... What I mean is that we want relatable characters, yes, that's it!