Japanese PSN Gets Another Final Fantasy Legend

Defense

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Arqus_Zed said:
Defense said:
Arqus_Zed said:
Defense said:
Kefka sucks, he's every single generic, shallow RPG villian seen in most Final Fantasy games. He just gets more love because he has lines that make people "lol".
Quite the statement,
so then, care to give an example of a good villain?
Final Fantasy Tactics is probably the best example I can give, but it's morally ambiguous. It deals with Duke Larg, the White Lion fighting for the people, and Duke Goltana who represents the aristocracy. They're fighting for control of Ivalice, and neither of them are actually bad characters. They have intentions that they believe are best for everyone. I don't count the last boss as the main antagonist because it pulls a Zemus and fights you at the last part of the game only.

Even Sephiroth and ShinRa are better antagonists than Kefka. ShinRa is the oil company of Gaia and slowly kills the planet for money, and Sephiroth takes revenge on people because he believes that the humans killed his mother. Their goals are pretty understandable in my opinion.

The Reapers from Mass Effect are also a great example.
Ah, yes, villainous motivation you can understand or even relate to.
Makes sense.
(Seems like you're the kind of guy who'd also appreciate the 'villains' from the first two Shadow Hearts games.)

Though the Reapers seem a bit off in that list. I mean, yeah, in the original Mass Effect, when the deal with Sovereign came to light, I also had a bit of an "oh snap" moment. But they're pretty much just evil for the sake of being evil, aren't they?
Well, I'm not good with my Mass Effect history, but as far as I know the Reapers destroy other civilizations to make more Reapers. They're doing this to keep their kind alive basically. The need to keep your own species alive is a pretty good reason in my opinion.
 

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Blitzwing said:
John Funk said:
Blitzwing said:
John Funk said:
If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!
A good game?
A decent one, surpassed by at least four other games in the series, yeah.
That are the other three?
I'm partial to just 4 and 6 over 7. 1 was pretty good, but I feel it wasn't up to 7's shine.

It's in my top 5, under 4 then 6.
 

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Thank fuckin' GOD!!! Why did they wait so long, FF6 was by far the best. It had the best written characters out of the entire FF series. And all the easter egg backround information in the game was amazing. Any single character had more depth than the entire cast of later FF games.

Also, Kefka was bad ass because you thought he was just some stupid evil clown, but he turns into the mother of all evil and singly responsible for end of the world halfway through the game. Hate all you want, but there was nothing generic about him.
 

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Did anyone else think at first the topic would be about the Final Fantasy Legends games that came out on the GameBoy many years ago. I saw the topic and I was like "Nooo....?".
 

mireko

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I have nothing to add to the "which FF is better?" debate, except that FFIX was better than FFX. Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

Judgement101 said:
Put Persona 1 and 2 on the PSN and then I'll care, Sony.
The PSP release of P1 is up. If they put up the PS1 version it would probably be the horrible localization from '97 (you know, the one that put a character in blackface).

Unless you mean the Japanese PSN, then I have no idea.
 

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Defense said:
Arqus_Zed said:
Defense said:
Kefka sucks, he's every single generic, shallow RPG villian seen in most Final Fantasy games. He just gets more love because he has lines that make people "lol".
Quite the statement,
so then, care to give an example of a good villain?
Final Fantasy Tactics is probably the best example I can give, but it's morally ambiguous. It deals with Duke Larg, the White Lion fighting for the people, and Duke Goltana who represents the aristocracy. They're fighting for control of Ivalice, and neither of them are actually bad characters. They have intentions that they believe are best for everyone. I don't count the last boss as the main antagonist because it pulls a Zemus and fights you at the last part of the game only.

Even Sephiroth and ShinRa are better antagonists than Kefka. ShinRa is the oil company of Gaia and slowly kills the planet for money, and Sephiroth takes revenge on people because he believes that the humans killed his mother. Their goals are pretty understandable in my opinion.

The Reapers from Mass Effect are also a great example.
>.> you do know the 'villian with a reason' is far more common as alast boss, then the 'bat shit crazy mother fucker that's slaughtering people for teh lolz' right?

kefa isn't very deep, but he's better then some moma's boy, yeah he killed Aris, big whoop, she's not the first to die in a Final Fantasy, Gualf had her beat there, and the majority of the cast in FF2 ends up dead before the end, least they went down fighting
 

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This being my second favorite game in the series, I would love to see this game come to the PSN stateside. Also, Parasite Eve 2 would be another brilliant addition. Just throwing that out there.
 

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OutrageousEmu said:
Bitter_one13 said:
Mr. Funk, you sir are a king amongst men.


And now for the comparison.
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Sephiroth- Mommy issues; attempted to destroy the planet, didn't succeed but got close.
Kefka- Sociopathic ************, attempted to become a god, succeeded in spades and was so for roughly a good 6 months.
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Oh don't try that, Jenova was a god from the beginning. It didn't need any pansy ass rituals to become infinitely powerful, it was already there.

Oh, and Sepiroth still beats Kefka in "killing people we actually care about".
Believe it or not, I cared more about general leo than I would ever give a damn about aerith
 

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Love VI. Huge cast of characters, most of which had more back story then most current gen JRPG characters have. Characters actually had an individual feel to them in battle. Good story and a =====COMPREHENSIBLE PLOT======. Also awesome music (duh) and graphics (at the time. Seriously, a simple book flipping pages made me flip when it first came out).

And for reasons already stated, Kefka rules.

I just haven't been able to really get into Final Fantasy's once they started making them for Sony. Final Fantasy VII and X were decent, XIII and VIII were abominations upon nature. I didn't hate XII, but I just couldn't get into it. Guess I'm just old fashioned but if I wanted my game to fight for me, they should have made a movie.

Oh wait, they tried that. It was awful.

That, and the main character's involvement in XII was mostly inconsequential. Admittingly, I haven't actually completely finished XII, but as far as I could tell, you could have left out Penelo and Vaan, made Ashe or Balthier the main character, do some minor story revisions, and no one would've missed them.

IX is the only one after XI that I've really gotten into. Like, beat Ozma gotten into.
 

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Yay, Final Fantasy VI is tied with VII for my favorite game in the series. People say VII is overrated, and I agree, but I still love both games to death. Personally I do think both Kefka and Sephiroth receive a little too much attention.
 

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>.> you do know the 'villian with a reason' is far more common as alast boss, then the 'bat shit crazy mother fucker that's slaughtering people for teh lolz' right?
In my opinion, wanting to rule the world for the hell of it doesn't count. So plenty of antagonists are taken out then as well, especially the ones in empires.

kefa isn't very deep, but he's better then some moma's boy, yeah he killed Aris, big whoop,
He also constantly mindfucked Cloud, burned his village to the ground, injured Tifa and Zack(hint: they're two of Cloud's close friends), and caused havoc overall. The best part is that he actually did it for a reason. I'd rather have an antagonist that's somewhat relatable than an antagonist that just kills shit and has a silly laugh.

she's not the first to die in a Final Fantasy, Gualf had her beat there,
Too bad the entire cast of FFV is absolutely plain.
and the majority of the cast in FF2 ends up dead before the end, least they went down fighting
Too bad the entire cast of FF2 absolutely sucks.
 

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Man, I love VI! Such a diverse range of characters, lush soundtrack and so much fun to play.I'd put it as my second favorite, shame I can't buy that right now.
 

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Blitzwing said:
John Funk said:
If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!
A good game?
A boot to the head and a recommendation for a better game - say, FF6?

OT: This is the best news I've heard all day! I never played the PS1 version, guess I'll finally see what it was like compared to the SNES and GBA ones.