Well, I'm not good with my Mass Effect history, but as far as I know the Reapers destroy other civilizations to make more Reapers. They're doing this to keep their kind alive basically. The need to keep your own species alive is a pretty good reason in my opinion.Arqus_Zed said:Ah, yes, villainous motivation you can understand or even relate to.Defense said:Final Fantasy Tactics is probably the best example I can give, but it's morally ambiguous. It deals with Duke Larg, the White Lion fighting for the people, and Duke Goltana who represents the aristocracy. They're fighting for control of Ivalice, and neither of them are actually bad characters. They have intentions that they believe are best for everyone. I don't count the last boss as the main antagonist because it pulls a Zemus and fights you at the last part of the game only.Arqus_Zed said:Quite the statement,Defense said:Kefka sucks, he's every single generic, shallow RPG villian seen in most Final Fantasy games. He just gets more love because he has lines that make people "lol".
so then, care to give an example of a good villain?
Even Sephiroth and ShinRa are better antagonists than Kefka. ShinRa is the oil company of Gaia and slowly kills the planet for money, and Sephiroth takes revenge on people because he believes that the humans killed his mother. Their goals are pretty understandable in my opinion.
The Reapers from Mass Effect are also a great example.
Makes sense.
(Seems like you're the kind of guy who'd also appreciate the 'villains' from the first two Shadow Hearts games.)
Though the Reapers seem a bit off in that list. I mean, yeah, in the original Mass Effect, when the deal with Sovereign came to light, I also had a bit of an "oh snap" moment. But they're pretty much just evil for the sake of being evil, aren't they?
I'm partial to just 4 and 6 over 7. 1 was pretty good, but I feel it wasn't up to 7's shine.Blitzwing said:That are the other three?John Funk said:A decent one, surpassed by at least four other games in the series, yeah.Blitzwing said:A good game?John Funk said:If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!
The PSP release of P1 is up. If they put up the PS1 version it would probably be the horrible localization from '97 (you know, the one that put a character in blackface).Judgement101 said:Put Persona 1 and 2 on the PSN and then I'll care, Sony.
12, 10, 6, 9.Blitzwing said:That are the other three?John Funk said:A decent one, surpassed by at least four other games in the series, yeah.Blitzwing said:A good game?John Funk said:If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!
>.> you do know the 'villian with a reason' is far more common as alast boss, then the 'bat shit crazy mother fucker that's slaughtering people for teh lolz' right?Defense said:Final Fantasy Tactics is probably the best example I can give, but it's morally ambiguous. It deals with Duke Larg, the White Lion fighting for the people, and Duke Goltana who represents the aristocracy. They're fighting for control of Ivalice, and neither of them are actually bad characters. They have intentions that they believe are best for everyone. I don't count the last boss as the main antagonist because it pulls a Zemus and fights you at the last part of the game only.Arqus_Zed said:Quite the statement,Defense said:Kefka sucks, he's every single generic, shallow RPG villian seen in most Final Fantasy games. He just gets more love because he has lines that make people "lol".
so then, care to give an example of a good villain?
Even Sephiroth and ShinRa are better antagonists than Kefka. ShinRa is the oil company of Gaia and slowly kills the planet for money, and Sephiroth takes revenge on people because he believes that the humans killed his mother. Their goals are pretty understandable in my opinion.
The Reapers from Mass Effect are also a great example.
Would it be alright if I hugged you?John Funk said:12, 10, 6, 9.Blitzwing said:That are the other three?John Funk said:A decent one, surpassed by at least four other games in the series, yeah.Blitzwing said:A good game?John Funk said:If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!
Believe it or not, I cared more about general leo than I would ever give a damn about aerithOutrageousEmu said:Oh don't try that, Jenova was a god from the beginning. It didn't need any pansy ass rituals to become infinitely powerful, it was already there.Bitter_one13 said:Mr. Funk, you sir are a king amongst men.
And now for the comparison.
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Sephiroth- Mommy issues; attempted to destroy the planet, didn't succeed but got close.
Kefka- Sociopathic ************, attempted to become a god, succeeded in spades and was so for roughly a good 6 months.
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Oh, and Sepiroth still beats Kefka in "killing people we actually care about".
In my opinion, wanting to rule the world for the hell of it doesn't count. So plenty of antagonists are taken out then as well, especially the ones in empires.Kitsuna10060 said:>.> you do know the 'villian with a reason' is far more common as alast boss, then the 'bat shit crazy mother fucker that's slaughtering people for teh lolz' right?
He also constantly mindfucked Cloud, burned his village to the ground, injured Tifa and Zack(hint: they're two of Cloud's close friends), and caused havoc overall. The best part is that he actually did it for a reason. I'd rather have an antagonist that's somewhat relatable than an antagonist that just kills shit and has a silly laugh.kefa isn't very deep, but he's better then some moma's boy, yeah he killed Aris, big whoop,
Too bad the entire cast of FFV is absolutely plain.she's not the first to die in a Final Fantasy, Gualf had her beat there,
Too bad the entire cast of FF2 absolutely sucks.and the majority of the cast in FF2 ends up dead before the end, least they went down fighting
A boot to the head and a recommendation for a better game - say, FF6?Blitzwing said:A good game?John Funk said:If you like FF7 you deserve what you get!