Were you trying to be silly just now cause that last sentence sounded really dumb. Intelligence and wisdom are gained through a myriad of ways making such things a matter of perspective than a true pinpointable thing.Fullmetalfox said:The reason why we see so much whining over trivial things is because gamers are just people at the end of the day, and people are stupid. This is why there are people who watch really TV, who are vegetarian and even people who blamed the recent UK riots on videogames.
For that reason, I don't see this problem going away this time soon, its not like we can ban stupid people off the internet. best we can do is laugh at them until we are able to detect the potential for idiocy in the fetus and mandate abortions for such fetuses by law.
Actually I come for LRR thanks, but I do enjoy (most) of your episodes.Jim Sterling said:(AKA the only reason to be alive on a Monday)
again, I have to repeat, I am not going to read your response as this was not directed at you for you, or other wise anything to do with you. All I said was the reasons for the boycott which were legitimate. this was not an argument as this was not a matter of opinion.Vivi22 said:So it's a matter of fact that the reasons for the L4D2 boycott were legitimate? Hardly.Plazmatic said:Im not going to read your response since this was not directed at you for you, or other wise anything to do with you. All I said was the reasons for the boycott which were legitimate. this was not an argument as this was not a matter of opinion.
From what I remember of the boycott, the major complaints were that their had been the promise of updates to the original game, and people assumed that this would interfere with that. This was by far the biggest complaint, and was also demonstrably wrong since L4D has seen updates since L4D2 was released.
According to Wikipedia, some people apparently complained about the characters and aesthetic in the original trailer that was shown, and that the game was going to be released about a year after the original. And while I would agree that not liking those may be a legitimate reason to not buy the game if you're a dick with an over developed sense of entitlement, it's not a legitimate reason to organize a boycott.
About the closest thing to a rational argument I've seen frankly was that releasing the sequel could fracture the community between the first and second games, but frankly, that would be the case with just about any sequel to a popular and widely played game.
So seriously, get over yourself. The boycott was at best some fans complaining about things that were either never an issue in the first place, or which could happen any time a company releases a sequel. I agree with Uber Waddles: you are wrong on this one. L4D2 made big improvements over the first, and saying it could have just been released as an update is silly.
As for the episode itself, I really liked it and have to agree that the videos seem to be improving. Well though out and well argued points on this one. I'm all for people voting with their wallet but agree that crying foul at every little thing and dismissing those who choose not to buy something outright tends to hurt the cause when legitimate boycott's arise.
They do make a difference. They tell both the community and the developers that gamers are a bunch of self righteous whiners who "boycott" things and cave in anyway.veloper said:That handful of gamers yelling boycott and actually going through with it (unlike most), never make any difference.
There can be no boycott if it isn't organized.
Epic Games?Icehearted said:They're calling for a boycott on RAGE, think it'll go anywhere? I don't. I think it'll be as hot item and Epic Games will feel completely vindicated in the process.
Spot on.SillyBear said:They do make a difference. They tell both the community and the developers that gamers are a bunch of self righteous whiners who "boycott" things and cave in anyway.veloper said:That handful of gamers yelling boycott and actually going through with it (unlike most), never make any difference.
There can be no boycott if it isn't organized.
This leads to developers getting more and more cocky because they know we'll play it anyway. So the threat of boycott leaves them thinking "uhhh so?".
Here's the thing though, used game sales don't put any money in the developer's pocket, but they're still kept track of. A used game purchase is one more number on the mountain of "how many people have bought this game," and a true Boycott would not even want to give the developers that.Crono1973 said:You could buy used for console games and that would effectively be a boycott for the publisher. Don't buy DLC though.Duskflamer said:My thoughts exactly, perhaps in the past I've been put off by the intro portion that got paraphrased in this episode.DJDarque said:My god. I haven't watched Jim since the first two episodes and dismissed his show as shit. Something about this one caught my eye and I actually decided to watch it. I'm surprised. This episode actually seems sincere, and I actually agree with him. I may have to give you another chance Jim.
I have to admit that I'm somewhat in the Apathy camp here, but I think that's because of the nature of the entertainment industry versus, say, the retail industry. It's very easy to boycott, say, Walmart when you can go to a different store to do all the shopping you would have done there, but each video game is unique, and even if other games are in the same genre you can't call them the same. If I want to boycott a video game (or a video game company), it means that I definitively cannot obtain the game they're making, I can't just shop for it somewhere else.
So someone would have to make a damn good argument if I were to boycott the release of a game I wanted.