Jimquisition: Copyright War

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Pretty spot-on there. I too hope that the ignorance and shortsightedness of publishers is eventually going to 'pay off' in an explosion of interest in indie and middle-sized games while AAA companies squander the easily tapped resources at their disposal. People are sick and tired of copyright strikes, content censorship, corporate oversight, and yeah, maybe some people don't make money that they could have made independantly and not detracting from publishers, but the downside is a less active community and worse general opinion. Which is fine. Sow the seeds, reap the whirlwind, people have hated publishers for a long time and to see them fail due to their own practises, which have been vocally opposed often and loudly, might even be enjoyable.

 

[Roxas1359]

Viacom eventually either gave up or came to some sort of agreement about people posting music videos, so publishers will be forced to cave in after a year or so as well, because if you start taking their videos down, they'll just reupload them on a different account or tell everyone to upload their videos to their own accounts or open their own sites & host their videos on Blip, DailyMotion, Veoh, or Vimeo, moving it to another video hosting site any time it gets taken down.

Viacom had actually taken Google to court over the whole thing and Google ended up winning the case. After that Viacom just stopped flagging stuff all together. I remember back in 2009 it was a huge problem because they ended up flagging LPers who were doing Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time claiming to own the rights to it and were threatening Google with legal action. Surprisingly Google actually had the balls to take their threat and took them to court, winning in the end.

 

[Ipsen]

But this is the internet, where throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a national sport.

I hereby nominate this statement for 'Motto of the Moment'.

Seriously, is there a proper procedure for this?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

You know if it benefits pewdiepie its a bad thing.

I'm beginning to wonder if PewDiePie spends his off-days going around kicking puppies into threshers or something. It's the only way he could possibly deserve the rampant amount of hate I'm seeing here.

The fastest way to get me to not buy your game is to make me watch pewdiepie.

And then he apparently uses the money he earns from puppy-kicking to pay thugs to go into homes and force people to watch his channel or something.

I mean, seriously. I don't like him; I find his voice annoying and his mannerisms cloying. So y'know what I do? I DON'T WATCH HIS VIDEOS. YouTube gives you that option! Maybe Jim needs to do an episode on this sense of self-importance so many people have, where something they don't like should be destroyed.

 

[Mid Boss]

Indeed. Thank God for you, Jim. =w= b

Also, side question;

Who is happy about this!? [sub]Besides publishers, of course[/sub]

I guess if you don't like a specific youtube personality, you could be happy that they are getting the screws put to them, but I don't see one guy/gal you don't like getting burned being worth all the others you may like/don't hate also getting burned.

But rejoicing it as a whole? WHY!?

P.S. You really don't need them, Jim!
You have all of us. ;3

People who hate Let's Players. They believe that they're over paid for a minimum amount of work. Though making it big is liken to winning the lottery as for every person that gets rich there's dozens working tireless who no one will ever hear about. Corporate CEOs make anywhere from 200 to 300 times more than the average worker of their own companies and typically work less than 20 hours a week. There are sports stars that make more than the president. But Let's Players are where we draw the line God damn it! My friend Mandy puts in between 3 to 6 hours a day for over a year now. She has a grand totally of 93 followers and... she could go buy a Big Mac with how much she makes in a day!

Then there's the people who worship corporations as if they are our new pantheon of gods.

 

[Someonetookmyname]

Could somebody do me the favor of explainig what the difference between a publisher and a gamecompany, like Bethesda, is? Where is the line drawn? What does the publisher do?

 

[zumbledum]

if this means less talentles cretins making bank by screaming like a demented 12 year old girls, well im all for it. but then if they pout a law infront of me that would euthanise these people and all their fans id sign it as my good deed to the gene pool

 

[mike1921]

Could somebody do me the favor of explainig what the difference between a publisher and a gamecompany, like Bethesda, is? Where is the line drawn? What does the publisher do?

Bethesda is sort of both. Developers actually make the game, Publishers to my knowledge handles physical production and marketing and funding. Bethesda is both, they publish their own games, and they published Dishonored and a few other things (which are less notable).

 

[Dragonbums]

Yep, I was just discussing this in that Youtube LP shitstorm thread the other day. Everyone celebrating the attacks against LPers are really just encouraging publishers to be allowed to exert more and more control over what we the customers are allowed to see, which at the end of the day should be the last thing customers want, because publishers are notoriously stingy with releasing actual relevant information and often even outright lie about the state their games are in.

What I found the most, frankly, insulting about all of the arguments on the side of the publishers, however, is that there are people who simply refuse the idea that LPing a game can be a legitimate job; Who claim that it requires zero effort, time, or money on the behalf of the person creating the videos to just throw out a video on Youtube and then start raking in millions and millions in ad revenue (which in itself is a hilarious misconception as well). And that because these people are simply piggybacking off of "other people's work", they shouldn't be allowed to make money, as if that doesn't happen in every other industry in the entire world.

Sorry, I'll get off the soapbox, I'm sure what I've already typed will draw the ire of the two or three people who valiantly oppose LPs anyway. Good show, Jim, and I indeed wish that Google would actually stand up for the people who draw in the ad revenue rather than actively dicking them over at every turn. They seem to be trying their damnedest to switch people over to other services, which I guess could be a little commendable in a roundabout way.

The ironic thing about some of the comments in that thread was most were only happy because it would affect LPers they don't like like Pewdiepie.

So the fall of one LPer is justified by thousands of casualties in the crossfire.

 

[Gary Thompson]

Could somebody do me the favor of explainig what the difference between a publisher and a gamecompany, like Bethesda, is? Where is the line drawn? What does the publisher do?

Bethesda is two companies; Bethesda Softworks (publisher) and Bethesda Game Studios (developer).

They're both owned by their parent company Zeni-Max (founded by a Bethesda Softworks founder) which owns most of the studios Bethesda Softworks publishes for.

ZeniMax isn't a publisher in the same way EA is, they're mostly just a company created by Bethesda Softworks to hold their companies they publish for (and Bethesda Softworks).

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Indeed. Thank God for you, Jim. =w= b

Also, side question;

Who is happy about this!? [sub]Besides publishers, of course[/sub]

I guess if you don't like a specific youtube personality, you could be happy that they are getting the screws put to them, but I don't see one guy/gal you don't like getting burned being worth all the others you may like/don't hate also getting burned.

But rejoicing it as a whole? WHY!?

P.S. You really don't need them, Jim!
You have all of us. ;3

People who hate Let's Players. They believe that they're over paid for a minimum amount of work. Though making it big is liken to winning the lottery as for every person that gets rich there's dozens working tireless who no one will ever hear about. Corporate CEOs make anywhere from 200 to 300 times more than the average worker of their own companies and typically work less than 20 hours a week. There are sports stars that make more than the president. But Let's Players are where we draw the line! My friend Mandy puts in between 3 to 6 hours a day for almost two years now. She has a grand totally of 93 followers. She could go buy a Big Mac with how much she makes in a day.

Then there's the people who worship corporations as if they are our new pantheon of gods.

Indeed. I have seen a little bit of that even here, today.

Also, I am reminded of how Yahtzee and others have mentioned how it sometimes seems like fans of some companies act almost as though they are in an abusive relationship.

Spoiler: Like so.

[http://imageshack.com/i/mrabusiveapple1p]

Hope you have a good day, and good luck to your friend! =w= b

 

[shrekfan246]

So the fall of one LPer is justified by thousands of casualties in the crossfire.

I think you meant that the other way around - The hundreds/thousands of people who could potentially lose their jobs in the crossfire are justified by the fall of one LPer.

The ironic thing about some of the comments in that thread was most were only happy because it would affect LPers they don't like like Pewdiepie.

But yes, I noticed that as well. Because, as we all know, nobody should be allowed to make money producing music because the likes of Justin Bieber become famous. And actors shouldn't be paid either because Kristen Stewart has been well-paid. Athletes, too, because of Michael Vick. It's obviously an evenly proportionate response to something you just don't like that much that you can easily ignore, to wish for everyone in the same line of work to suddenly no longer have a form of income. Right?

 

[Gary Thompson]

I never got that mind set, being jealous or angry because of someone else's legitimately gained success is just pathetic and quite petty.

I bet if they were making bank on silly videos they wouldn't be so quick to hope other people who do the same fail.

 

[synobal]

You know if it benefits pewdiepie its a bad thing.

I'm beginning to wonder if PewDiePie spends his off-days going around kicking puppies into threshers or something. It's the only way he could possibly deserve the rampant amount of hate I'm seeing here.

The fastest way to get me to not buy your game is to make me watch pewdiepie.

And then he apparently uses the money he earns from puppy-kicking to pay thugs to go into homes and force people to watch his channel or something.

I mean, seriously. I don't like him; I find his voice annoying and his mannerisms cloying. So y'know what I do? I DON'T WATCH HIS VIDEOS. YouTube gives you that option! Maybe Jim needs to do an episode on this sense of self-importance so many people have, where something they don't like should be destroyed.

Rogue Wolf, I don't watch his videos, I was just saying that granting exclusives lets plays, to individuals whom might appeal to a lot of people isn't always the best idea because they could very well not appeal to just as many people.

If I go to learn about a game and I go on youtube and the only let's plays of that game is from Pewdiepie or TObuscus I'm not going to be watching their videos which means I won't be buying that game.

Exclusive let's play is a stupid idea and I'm quite frankly amazed that the industry seems to be trying to shift to that. You'd think free advertising for their games would of been a just fine business model.

 

[Callate]

Given that both Sony and Microsoft have been at great pains to highlight the streaming/recording/media sharing features of their brand spanking new consoles, one would think they might take a moment to knock on a few doors and make a few phone calls to tell publishers to stop pissing in the communal watering hole.

But I guess that's probably excessively optimistic.

Hey Google? Now would be a good time to not be evil.

 

[Yuuki]

You know, I can't help but wonder exactly what's going through the heads of these people. Have they ever considered that maybe, for five minutes, they should stop acting so, you know, EVIL!?

IMO I feel they are so disconnected from the community (and reality) that they feel that WE are the evil ones who need to be stopped.
Remember nobody does something just to be a dick, they are almost always convinced that they're doing the right thing. Look at Hitler.

 

[Yopaz]

I've never understood if it's just one dumb guy calling the shots on whatever video that has any relation to their content, no matter how minimal it might be, or just a bot launching infringement notices everywhere.

PS: Hope this is enough to not count it as "low content" Escapist

From what I've heard once a video gets flagged by someone with a slight degree of influence a video gets removed without actually looking into the matter. It saves time and thus money. I am guessing employees of the publishers who make sure that their IP is protected do much the same. If they find a video containing their IP posted by someone else than their own company they flag it. Google who doesn't look through it removes it. I can't confirm this, but I think this is how it happens.

Also your post does not come under low content posting because it contributes to the discussion. If you had written the same amount of words not really saying anything then you might have received one, but maybe not. An advice I want you to remember is that if you're ever in doubt if you're posting a low content post do NOT mention the low content rule. That shows you are fully aware of it being a rule yet you still do not respect it and that usually ends up in a low content warning regardless of the extra word count.

OT: I've been thinking of my own copyright law rant for a long time now because there are quite a few great examples of how companies really screw over themselves the way things are now. I feel like the copyright laws are in place to protect the jobs of lawyers rather than anyone else. I've seen publishers suffer from how the copyright have boxed them in.

 

[acillies45]

Two days later, Jim disappeared with only a fire flow, a golden ring, and a note saying "hadouken" and 'who's afraid now?' left on his pillow.

 

[daxterx2005]

That "Fuck off" at the end was pretty powerful, Jim.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Given that both Sony and Microsoft have been at great pains to highlight the streaming/recording/media sharing features of their brand spanking new consoles, one would think they might take a moment to knock on a few doors and make a few phone calls to tell publishers to stop pissing in the communal watering hole.

But I guess that's probably excessively optimistic.

Hey Google? Now would be a good time to not be evil.

Google:"B-but! But! We're not evil! Our motto says so!"

One thing I've noticed is that anyone who says something like that are pretty much always the most evil, sadistic, dicks this side of Hell. I remember back in the day (damn, I feel so old saying that) when Youtube was convenient, functional, and easy to look at, and more importantly didn't immediately bend over backwards to every idiot who screamed COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT!!! Then Google bought it and has been piling more and more crap on it ever since. The reason Youtube was so popular was because it was a respectable website where a person could upload pretty much anything they wanted, and Google seems to have missed this point.