Jimquisition: Dead Space - The Best New IP This Generation?
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I distinctly remember getting Dead Space 1- it was a good deal afterwards its initial release and had gotten into the $20 range. It looked interesting, but I wasn't hooked. It wasn't until I had a friend tell me how scary it was that I gave it a second look. So, one night around 1am, and myself having nothing better to do in town and on a pretty sizable caffeine kick - the kind where everything is fuzzy around the edges, but you're too awake to fall asleep, I went on a Wal-Mart crawl and on a whim bought it, finding it in a dimly-lit back-aisle. I honestly wasn't expecting too much.
I spent the next week playing through the game. I could only play one or two levels at a go. Not because I was so scared by it or anything, but damn if that was not one of the most tense gaming situations I've ever played in. Keep in mind, I decided to play the game on Hard with only the Plasma Cutter. Right from the get-go, no previous experience with the game. And that is pretty much what stuck with me with this game- not so much how scary the enemies were, but the ever-present sense of dread I had, having no clue just how badly the game was going to screw with me, and how many times it was going to beat the shit out of me before I broke the odds.
And the more I played it, the more immersed I became with the story. This was a game that had everything there before you- this wasn't one of those game that dropped three pages of exposition that you had to pause, read for two minutes and then get back in the game. It was all happening in real-time, and it all played out before you. And the plot itself I always feel saddened for if only because there are always the people that look at the game and say "dumb shooter" but don't even realize just how fleshed out the story itself is through all of the other transmedia out there.
So, I digress, thanks Jim for the video. Definitely looking forward to getting my copy come Tuesday.
I spent the next week playing through the game. I could only play one or two levels at a go. Not because I was so scared by it or anything, but damn if that was not one of the most tense gaming situations I've ever played in. Keep in mind, I decided to play the game on Hard with only the Plasma Cutter. Right from the get-go, no previous experience with the game. And that is pretty much what stuck with me with this game- not so much how scary the enemies were, but the ever-present sense of dread I had, having no clue just how badly the game was going to screw with me, and how many times it was going to beat the shit out of me before I broke the odds.
And the more I played it, the more immersed I became with the story. This was a game that had everything there before you- this wasn't one of those game that dropped three pages of exposition that you had to pause, read for two minutes and then get back in the game. It was all happening in real-time, and it all played out before you. And the plot itself I always feel saddened for if only because there are always the people that look at the game and say "dumb shooter" but don't even realize just how fleshed out the story itself is through all of the other transmedia out there.
So, I digress, thanks Jim for the video. Definitely looking forward to getting my copy come Tuesday.
I might pick up dead space sometimes jim do you prefer the pc version or the console version?
I hope that when dead space 3 fails to sell 5 million copies ea wont kill the franchise.
I hope that when dead space 3 fails to sell 5 million copies ea wont kill the franchise.
Well I can't always agree with Jim. I have no hate for Dead Space as an IP but I also have no love for it. The game is just average for me. I love games with pacing but DS for me was so eager to show me how cool their monsters were they took out all the tension for me. Still I hope EA doesn't kill them with that must make 5 million dollars crap.
I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say this; you just sold a copy of at least the first Dead Space to me (and likely the second if it's a reasonable price). That is pretty impressive, I don't think I've ever bought a game because somebody on the internet has told me it was good (and more to the point, why it was good). I've certainly looked into games on recommendation - but I'm going all the way and buying it.Jimothy Sterling said:
If you're buying it on PC be warned, it's possibly one of the worst ports i've ever encountered.Cry Wolf said:
Assuming it doesn't crash on me, the FPS is terrible, it has awful mouse acceleration, it has bad screen tear and if you turn on the V-sync it basically breaks the game.
OT: This video makes me sad. I really would love to play DS but the problems I mentioned above basically mean I can't.
I must admit, I never really got into Dead Space...
I played the first one, I found it alright to be honest, not great and not terrible...
My issue is that the "Horror" is mostly jump scares and attempts to make you panic through overwhelming, but none of that phased me... Jumps scares are terrible (Even more so when you can spot which vents things are going to pop out from a mile away) and I never really feared becoming overwhelmed due to the gun you starting with being so powerful (Out of all the weapons I tried, that first one was far superior with its capacity to take off limbs and the amount of ammo you'd get for it, especially if you didn't buy any new weapons)
The only part that really caused tension for me is when that unkillable beast was released whom could block off sections and could also enter the "Safe" zones... But that one part trying to bring in tension for an entire game?
I suppose if DS2 and DS3 go further away from the "Horror" and focus more on a "Survival Shooter" then it could be pretty good (Though I'm not sure if that genre is my cup of tea to be honest)
I played the first one, I found it alright to be honest, not great and not terrible...
My issue is that the "Horror" is mostly jump scares and attempts to make you panic through overwhelming, but none of that phased me... Jumps scares are terrible (Even more so when you can spot which vents things are going to pop out from a mile away) and I never really feared becoming overwhelmed due to the gun you starting with being so powerful (Out of all the weapons I tried, that first one was far superior with its capacity to take off limbs and the amount of ammo you'd get for it, especially if you didn't buy any new weapons)
The only part that really caused tension for me is when that unkillable beast was released whom could block off sections and could also enter the "Safe" zones... But that one part trying to bring in tension for an entire game?
I suppose if DS2 and DS3 go further away from the "Horror" and focus more on a "Survival Shooter" then it could be pretty good (Though I'm not sure if that genre is my cup of tea to be honest)
I'm a big fan of the combat system of Dead Space. Everything feels so goddamn satisfying, and is in my humble opinion the pinnacle of the horror action genre. Also love the hud, just everything about it. My only gripe is how the dynamic laser sight of dead space 1 was removed in two and three.
As for best new I.P of this generation, I would be inclined to give it to Mass Effect But hey, to each their own
As for best new I.P of this generation, I would be inclined to give it to Mass Effect But hey, to each their own
Well, thats a fucking downer. My place recently got a PS3, so I suppose I could grab it for that - but I've been hesitant to buy games for a shared console. Still, if it's half as good as it was made out to be I wont regret it. I wish PC ports weren't typically half-arsed. =/Ilikemilkshake said:
SorryCry Wolf said:
Hopefully it's less of a downer than you buying the game and finding the game barely works. Of course I could just be unlucky but as far as I can tell the consensus is that the port is awful: http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Dead_Space
I wouldn't sweat buying it for the PC. I have the Steam version and my rig didn't generally have any of the issues that Ilikemilkshake had. But I can't deny that the problems don't exist for various users, because every rig is different (both in hardware and actively running software). The mouse didn't bother me since I did play it with a XBox controller for the 'console' feel. It's my personal preference, but many of these types of single player games I prefer to sit back with a controller vs. leaning over my keyboard.Cry Wolf said:
Yeah, I too keep an Xbox Controller for games where I don't need or want the precision of the mouse an keyboard (I'm actually a big fan of varying my input device to the game, with a force-feedback wheel and pedals, a HOTAS Joystick with detachable throttle currently). Even assuming I wanted to use a mouse for Dead Space, it's not really that hard to overcome mouse acceleration problems. What will bother me, however, is all the little details in bad ports that I'm compelled to try and fix. I end up spending as much time playing the game as I do tweaking it. =/Jbowdown said:
I, for one, am glad to see "immersive" become gauche. Not that it didn't have its place, but like "innovation," "immersion" as a concept has been watered down to be utterly freaking meaningless. It's weird, then, that Jim is using IP in much the same way.
However, Jim's rationale did intrigue me, to the point I've wishlisted DS1 on Steam so I can snag it once I actually get a new video card (Damn, is Dead Space rather expensive to pick up on consoles now).
Of course, the point remains: you cannot have immersion if your game is not an FPS. Preferably a brown one with a cover system.
However, Jim's rationale did intrigue me, to the point I've wishlisted DS1 on Steam so I can snag it once I actually get a new video card (Damn, is Dead Space rather expensive to pick up on consoles now).
Of course, the point remains: you cannot have immersion if your game is not an FPS. Preferably a brown one with a cover system.
Pretty much this. I thought Dead Space was going to be a great choice for me, for all of the reasons Jim describes. Frankly, I just could not get into it for the same reasons you describe.Lawnmooer said:
I felt the combat was clunky, repetetive. There was no real reason to upgrade more than a few options on the suit or the main weapon, and even then there was nothing great about the upgrades. Just stat stacking. I really disliked the camera and third person view though. I found there were just too many occasions when the overly huge body of Isaac, was just in the way, too close to the camera. When the camera wasn't being pretty terrible in of itself, ofcourse. It pretty much killed immersion for me and thus the horror. I never played it through to the end, maybe that's my problem. It's not that I chose to stop playing either. I just had no reason to pick it up again.
Shame really.
Nyeh... I'm going to disagree with Jim. Dead Space is a pretty lack-luster series when you count all the pieces in. At least compared to other games of our generation. The scares in Dead Space are almost complete jokes. They were predictable as all hell and never had me waiting for them. So is that it? Is the franchise of the decade composed of nothing more than unscary jump scares?
Compare it to such games as Mass Effect and Bioshock, which *really* fleshed out the world they're set in. You WANTED to learn more about their world and what makes it tick. Dead Space has a few good niches, such as the armor HUD. But as a franchise and "the best intellectual property"? HA!
Compare it to such games as Mass Effect and Bioshock, which *really* fleshed out the world they're set in. You WANTED to learn more about their world and what makes it tick. Dead Space has a few good niches, such as the armor HUD. But as a franchise and "the best intellectual property"? HA!
I'm right there with you! I think the worst port I've started playing recently was Darksiders 2. Even playing it with a controller, you can just tell that bringing it to the PC was just an afterthought for the dev. Although, many 'ports' or multi-platform games are developed quite well for the PC, if given the time and the resources.Cry Wolf said: