Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

[DigitalSushi]

Ah, you know what? NO
I reject this BS. I dont want to be acknowledged by these elitist-nerds as one of them. People would call me nerdy, and thats it. Its not a title and I'm not such a social reject that I need something to hold onto so badly.
NO. I dont want to get into your treehouse, it stinks.

I'm a fake not-nerd girl

Sorry about that, I called you a dude! haha, the internet, wonderful place where your a dude until proven otherwise.

Also, calm down, I was poking fun at elitism, not being elitist myself. Naturally since I'm not as well versed at the English Language as Oscar Wilde my joke went off the mark, sorry about that.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

 

[DigitalSushi]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

Yeah I know your not a dude, if you care to look up, you'll see I've apologised to you about that indiscretion.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

Yeah I know your not a dude, if you care to look up, you'll see I've apologised to you about that indiscretion.

wrote it before I could see your post, so just ignore it.

 

[Astro]

'Fake nerd girls' are clumsy charlatans, exploiting a demographic with a vulnerability to what they're peddling. They have plausible deniability because what they're doing is inherently consensual in terms of actions (though not in terms of motivations), and they just need to put themselves out there just a little for the attention they're seeking. it's slimy, passively predatory and lazy. A girl of this type is doing nothing but manipulating facets of the culture surrounding gaming because it's an easy target while bringing nothing to the table, this kind of girl is worthy of contempt and it's as simple as that. Maybe if you could choose to block them out completely, but implying that you can just 'stop' yourself from feeling exploited when you're sexually attracted to a member of the opposite sex who's doing everything to attract you in this way, just because you find it morally repugnant, is complete bozwollocks.

 

[Vault101]

What are you gonna do, call my posts a straw man fallacy?

I'm not responding to the rage novels you all wrote and I don't have to defend my life or pride in my hobbies to any of you. I proved my point. The "game" is over before it started.

you didn't prove anything

and your not "defending your life or pride in your hobbies" what your doing is saying [i/]"you arent a real gamer because you don't meet my bullshit Idea of what a gamer is"[/i]

so I ask you to please answer my question that I've asked you several times

"what about the fair number of male gamers who have not played dark souls?" I mean that's it right? there couldn't be anything else that disqualies me or any other of the people you accused from your fabled "gamer" status

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

For the 3 girls who claim to be gamers.

When did you beat Dark Souls?

Don't answer. You didn't.

It's one of my favourite games and yes I've finished it I also bought it on PC because I enjoyed it so much...why do you think I'm called MOONLIGHT BUTTERFLY...

JESUS CHRIST.

https://live.xbox.com/en-US/Activity/Details?titleId=1313671226

(and before you start ranting about my gamer score I mostly play on my PC which I built and overclocked myself you can check raptr on my profile for most of my games)

I am also backing Project Eternity, Wasteland 2, Doublefine Kickstarter and Path of Exile. What are you doing?

Also I'm pretty much responsible for Project Eternity getting ultra hard modes as a stretch goal

Your move bro.

 

[Vhite]

Ok, this isn't something I that I think too much about because, even if it exists, its minor problem but dismissing it completely is not what I would have done. I don't know how Jim sees this but here is what I imagine when I hear about this fake geek girl, however with a strange twist of not including women only.
Somewhere in the universe, there is a person who is a regular teenager. But because there isn't much to him/her and he/she wants to keep wide array of friend, he/she boasts about listening obscure bands, pretending to be an artist, or simply to be 2deep4u (a.k.a. hipster). This person then hears about rise of the NERD culture, seeing how there is Big Bang Theory on TV, successful NERDS {you may start to notice I don't like how this word sounds} getting rich everywhere and whatnot. So, to impress his/hers ignorant friends, this person decides to become geek and hang around geeks.
Now lets move to online communities where this problem manifests. Since the person who suddenly wants to become part of the culture wants to see results soon and because they were used to doing it this way outside of the NERD culture, they try to get an attention of as many people that are part of the culture so they can quickly become friends (even very short lasting one) and thus acknowledging the NERDiness and sense of belonging of the individual.
Now sadly, there is stereotype which is sometimes true, and that is that most of the nerds/gamers/geeks are immature basement dwellers whose only female attention is that of their mum. It doesn't take more than two synapses two realize, that is such community, a female nerd/gamer/geek would be a big thing. This person then, depending on his sex, either pretends to be a female or makes sure that everyone knows. Now, as we all know, this stereotype is mostly not true and even when it is, such people aren't usually that desperate for female attention to notice that something is wrong.Sadly, this still isn't how others see us.
So where is the problem here? Cant we just give them some attention when it doesn't cost us anything? This is maybe just my opinion but I think that if we return to topic of being called hipster or in mild case wannabe (do not confuse with newbie, in all cases they are new to the community but they treat the rest of the members otherwise), I would say that most communities don't like them due to fact they make their community look worse or maybe just different than they expect to be seen. Especially when is it a sort of person that likes to draw attention. However, these people are few, and I think they can change opinions of only few individuals at best. But because its much easier too see mistakes of people who just don't belong, they usually get to carry much more guilt in eyes of us hard true NERDS which I think is the reason why this problem exists.
To wrap this up, I don't think this really is a problem all that much unless people become paranoid and start to see these people where they are not or give them to much of an importance, because when it is a problem, it doesn't really have anything to do with sexual insecurity within the community as I perceived Mr Sterling wraped it up to be, but rather insecurity of community that wants to hold tightly together reacted with a strange attempt of rare kind of people to continue their lifestyle in evolving society (just to make me sound smart).

I said I don't think about this too much? Huh. But now I can't just go and say "Nah, this wont do." and delete it so here you go.

 

[Slash2x]

1. If you truly identify with a specific group or section of society that does not require admission, a formal process, or certain DNA. Congratz you are in!! There is no damn test to be a NERD or a GAMER.

I disagree with that one. Just because a group has no clear-cut border, it can still have a definition that obviously excludes at least some people who are very distant from it.

If I, as a full-blood Hungarian who has never left mainland Europe, would claim to be a Scotsman, you would be entirely justified to call me out on being No True Scotsman.

The fallacy only applies to situations where you are making up criteria on the spot, such as old man MacDonald living in Scotland, born in Scotland, and speaking Scots, is No True Scotsman if he doesn't support the Scottish independence movement.

Or like saying that I'm No True Gamer if I avoid strategy games.

But it's still possible to pretend to be a gamer in a way in which you are actually not.

3. If there are men out there who are pissed at women who do this in a social setting to them personally?.. You are morons, a girl doing this wants your attention you asexual idiots. Ask her out and even if it is fake interest it can become genuine interest if gaming becomes a ?thing? the two of you do.

I think it's more about girls (and people in general) acting like that on their youtube channels, or in their social circles, not specifically about a flirting situation.

1A. Hence my statement about a specific criteria being needed for SOME groups/names/titles. If there is no Scott in your DNA(read lineage) then that would be a rather ludicrous claim. Also people can still claim whatever they want for a free form term like Gamer because who is going to stop them? Sure people can complain about it but that is all.

3A. Your example and mine are different so I see where you are going with that. I am talking about on a personal level, I have heard various men try complaining about this while I was in the room.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Well, that's just it. Nerds are NOT "heroes of old". They were not "fighting for" anything, and especially not for nerdiness being mainstream, just wanted to be left alone as a subculture.

And that's why your analogy is inherently faulty. a civil rights activits who hates present kids having civil rights, is a HYPOCRITE, because his acts are going against his claimed goals.

But not every group can be expected to struggle for total inclusiveness.

For example, it would be pretty weird to say that the original punk rockers should feel happy about big corporations commercializing their mannerisms, and kids imitating their "popular" clothing and hairstyles. After all, these these would be pretty much directly opposed to their whole underlying ideology, about being anti-consumerist, anti-mainstream, and anti-normal.

Or that indie game fans shoul feel happy about Electronic Arts releasing a so-called "indie bundle". Even if it imitates typical indie games with cheap small games, the indie commnunity was also about something more than that, about independence, and free artistic thoughts, so EA of all things imitating them is pretty crude.

You are talking as if the mainstream trying to jump on a bandwagon by copying references, would automatically count as "winning the good fight", so we should all lay back. But that's not the case. Just because EA is publishing something that it calls an "indie bundle", doesn't mean that the indie movement defeated EA's corparate system, quite the opposite.

Likewise, just because now the most ordinary, popular, socially and phsysically attractive people are calling themselves "nerds" while they are watching the most popular movies of our times and playing on their phones just as the giant billboard ad tells them to, doesn't mean that the older underlying paradigm of the subculture that they imitate, has won. Quite the opposite.

Traits like being socially awkward, or being obsessive about a niche interest, are just as mocked as they ever were, it's just a shift of brandings, where the old nerds' identity was recycled for mainstream usage, and now we have to reclaim another insult for ourselves.

I dont see why a group shouldnt fight for total inclusiveness. The only reasons i can imagine are purely selfish and based on a weak shriveled ego that NEEDS to feel elite and select to survive. I play games for ME. Not for anyone else. Ironically by caring about the title gamer and how others perceive it a person commits the same crime as "fake game girls". Playing games with the perception of others as a factor, caring what others think of their gaming. Caring what people think about your hobby and who knows their place in being part of the subculture or not. Ive always been a believer in the fact that you can define your interests as you please and no one can change those things. They can have different names for them and can use them. But if you wanna feel like a gamer because it makes you happier power to you. Let no one gatekeep.

Perhaps i go too far saying they should be happy. They have no reason to be happy these things are happening. But other than selfishness who cares what other people do and define themselves as. People are free to do as they please and it has NO effect on you. Do these "posers" stealing and corrupting the punk rock message kill old punk rock bands, destroy the idea the original one stood for? No it has no effect whatsoever on what happens inside a persons head. The love of the music, the idea and the style can never be destroyed by someone else taking bits and pieces of those because it makes them happier. It feels like a subtle form of elitism to desire the destruction of sub cultures who are similar to your group but lack important "factors" in order to keep your sub culture "Pure" and "unique". I have to question why ANYONE should care what others do as long as you have your niche and no one can stop you from being in it.

I fail to see how we have "Lost" anything just because others have taken some good parts of our culture because they enjoy them. I have lost nothing. I still play games and love them much like i did before and everyone else who i shared this with is still alive, in fact i have met more recently than i ever have before. More people know what im talking about than ever before. I still know what i like and how much i like it and how it defines me. If other people can call that into question just by LIKING things then you need to get over it basically.

We dont need to reclaim anything. Society is basically constant change as far back as records go. Todays taboo is tomorrows mainstream and it basically always has been. Just because ours has been warped to become todays mainstream doesnt mean we cant still enjoy what we always have enjoyed.

 

[Phasmal]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I mean, sure, you can try the bitching route. Call me not a real gamer.
That wont stop us.
And eventually, being a girl who plays games will be no deal at all and the only people pissing and moaning about it will be the sad pathetic people who will try and try and try to push us out.
Too late.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It just made me and my friends lol quite hard that he chose the one game my fricking username is from. Great move there...

/facepalm.

My mate Dave just pointed out that there is absolutely nothing to back up his claims to godly gamerhood and yet he's calling us out. Double standards are great aren't they.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

agreed. maybe I even wear gamer shirts and pretend to not even know who mario is.

 

[Phasmal]

It just made me and my friends lol quite hard that he chose the one game my fricking username is from. Great move there...

/facepalm.

Indeed, was a failworthy move.
I love these people, they make me feel so powerful.
They think I have the power to RUIN everything with my girlness.
And there is nothing they can do about it.
The female spy is already in the base.

agreed. maybe I even wear gamer shirts and pretend to not even know who mario is.

Mario?
Is that, like, the one on the PlayBox? *hairflip*
I prefer Call Of Honour.

 

[themind]

It's another clear double standard, on top of being a complete waste of time.

If a gorgeous or even a not-so-gorgeous woman is pretending to like nerdy stuff so that she can mingle with a nerdy crowd for attention or to attract a boyfriend (or girlfriend?) what exactly is wrong with that? Women go to Comic-Cons and Anime gatherings, Magic: The Gathering tourneys, Sci-Fi conventions to meet people of the opposite sex; the same way a man may go to the ballet or dance class or show tunes or some equally "unmanly" venue to try to meet a girlfriend (or boyfriend?).

The problem with the fake nerd girl, as I see it, is entirely in the eyes of the beholder. The girl herself is no more out of place at a convention than I am at a girls rugby game. I barely know the rules of the game, am only vaguely familiar with the purpose of the game, don't know a damn thing about strategy, and can only name one team on the planet. If I went to rugby (say 15 years ago, to be fair), I would have done it to meet an athletically minded woman of strong character, that's the type of woman I was attracted to, and I could feasibly expect to find a woman like that at a rugby game. If I so happen to meet a woman I liked at this rugby game I would, if I thought it might help me get a date, pretend to know more about rugby than I do, name drop "scrum" or "centerfield" or some other rubbish that might make me sound like a moron, but if it secured me a date, so be it.

Here is where the eye of the beholder comes into play. If I go on the date with rugby girl but we don't hit it off in my mind, but she had a good time. She asks for a second date, but I waver and say maybe or no, than then I look like a "Fake Rugby Guy". It doesn't mean I meant to lead rugby girl on, but if she is obssessed with rugby but I find it only a mild diversion, there is no chance for success for a relationship of that type. I feel like a lot of nerd guys (hate the term, but go with me here) get burned by women with tepid interest in their hobbies. The girl was originally interested in your personality or looks, but if you don't have much more in common except you both like Skyrim, or a single Anime, or a single comic book character, than there is no point in persuing a relationship any further.

"Fake nerd Girl" unless she is being conniving and utterly insincere, wants a nerdy or Fake nerd Boy". It is generally accepted by most of my female friends that now that the "nerd" walls are down, or partially down, they make good boyfriends. Intelligent, courteous, adorable or endearing if they haven't had a girlfriend before, many times virgins (attractive for fellow virgins of the opposite sex), and generally more tolerant of others because they have faced bullying of some form or another so aren't as like to bully or demean the interested girl.

I think if you relax for a second, and try to reason it out, there are tons of "Nerd girls" who are looking the fit in, how a lot of us gamers were trying 15-20 years ago. Gotta stand up and be inclusive to the nerd girls of the world, expand our community, and maybe turn a few "Fake nerd Girls" into the legit thing, because for all of us, it started with just one game, one hand of Magic: The Gathering, one Star Trek episode, or one anime. Same for a lot of these young ladies. They are looking for a culture they can belong to, and if they don't know absolutely everything about something doesn't mean they don't belong in the community.

I like D&D, but I can get completely lost in a conversation with hardcore lovers of the game. Doesn't mean I'm trying to infiltrate their community or demean what they love, so relax, and next time cute "Fake nerd girl" annoys or otherwise disrupts you, remember, she may not be fake at all... and she's cute.

Best Regards

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

snip

He messing with my geek cred. He gonna get burned.

 

[Milanezi]

110% with Jim in this one. I feel like a teenager again with teens calling each other poser-this poser-that. So what now? POSER GAMER? Now, I've been pissed with the "true" gamer/nerd community for a while, a bunch of self-righteous pricks who can't even agree among themselves, they live as if the sense in life is taking an ENTERTAINMENT object and turning it into RELIGION, and then disagreeing about everything between one another. Really, when video game gets stressful go back to work, at least you're GETTING PAID for the stress. Now we also having them, apparently, claiming that the "being nerd" is such a serious life-style that they can pinpoint "posers" and exclude them as if they were harmful in some way. Let them pose, maybe one day a genuine interest will rise from there, and like Jim said, it's not like they are doing any harm...

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Its cute how you lick each other's wounds.

What no response to me? Is it because you haven't got one?

 

[Jenvas1306]

Its cute how you lick each other's wounds.

thats called 'fun', with friends you would maybe know that, but as noone is nerd or gamer enough for you...

 

[Zipman]

My problem is when people have been so exposed to gamer girls that they think nerdy girls don't exist and give my girlfriend a pat on the head and say "sure. A gamer girl, we've seen THOSE before"