Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children

[TAdamson]

I didn't know this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLz0CqtMVc] still had to be passed around.

Right buddy. Because some random YouTuber's opinion, even if it is completely on the money, is somehow justification for the vitriol directed at Hepler.

 

[Burning Desire]

what ever happened to i dont like the game because..... death threats really? guess these people have never been part of a beta, cause like that sort of thing would go down real well

 

[Mausthemighty]

Oh it's that woman... While I agree that you never (NEVER!!!) should threaten anyone for whatever reason, she did say some pretty stupid things in the past.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Uh what? No he isn't playing Devil's advocate against these obviously insane individuals. He is simply stating that people who have committed no actual crime should not be tarred with the same brush as these impulse control issue morons, just because they happen to share the same hobby. And frankly do us all a favor and tone down your "we've done nothing" rhetoric because what the non-batshit insane portion of the community HAVE done, on a daily basis no less, is to NOT MAKE FUCKING DEATH THREATS AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE for insanely trivial fucking reasons, and instead have voiced our opinions politely and rationally.

Do you know how many times I've had to dish a suspension for threatening or bullying on this site? Do you know how many people report posts in which a user is threatening, insulting or telling someone to commit suicide? Very often, its just one person. It doesn't matter if the thread has over 100 views, only one person will report a post like that. I wouldn't be sitting on this goddamn high horse if I didn't know how often it happens on this very site and its ridiculous, especially in the feminism and transgender threads.

Long story short. I'm sick of everyone's passive nature to let aggressive posts go unreported, here and on other sites. Gamers need to set a precedent to not only ignore users who lash out at developers and other gamers, but should be willing to report them.

then I really have to start questioning YOUR sanity.

You should. I work full time, go to school full time, tutor on my days off and still volunteer my time here. But hey, I got my happy pills and vodka to keep me going, so I really don't care if you think I'm insane. Normal is overrated anyways.

The fact I'm arguing this point with someone with a blue moderator name is seriously making me rethink bothering to patronize this website.

Spoiler: Oh sorry, I forgot, the blue name means I have to be a robot who issues citation warnings.

 

[Gilhelmi]

Over 375 posts in. Do I want to step in this discussion? H*** No.

Do I need to though? Fine.

If you a developer, I would give this advice for you to follow, now repeat after me. "I am armed, I am prepared to defend myself and my family. I have hired armed security for PAX (or whatever convention I went to). It did not need to come to me feeling the need to be armed. I do not care if you liked my games or not. If you attack for me, I will defend myself. I have recorded all my calls, I have saved all my mail and Email. I have become a paranoid person, and my work is suffering. F*** you, I am quitting."

*read: calm but with slight anger, well controlled* That is right, I would not become a developer now. I was thinking about it, but I do not like the persistent feelings of paranoia.

No one in their right mind should go into the video-game industry right now. The Second Great Collapse is upon us, but this time it is not the industry that will cause it. The blame will lay solely on those that threatened and harassed all the talent out of this industry.

 

[Cipher2391]

Jim if your reading this I want to let you know that I think its about time somebody sadly had to say 'Fuck off and stop acting like twits' without negotiating a middle ground. The problem is the same people will probably take this as another minor victory for whatever sake and fall on deaf ears. great video though, kept up the good work.

 

[wulf3n]

Do you know how many times I've had to dish a suspension for threatening or bullying on this site? Do you know how many people report posts in which a user is threatening, insulting or telling someone to commit suicide? Very often, its just one person. It doesn't matter if the thread has over 100 views, only one person will report a post like that.

It's up to the person being insulted to raise an issue if they feel offended not everyone who witnesses it. If the person being targeted didn't find it offensive why should the other party be punished?

How can an observer know if it's not friendly banter, just without the context that may have been established by the two parties in another thread? If I flagged every post I deemed to have the potential for causing insult I'd be flagging every other post, and probably get punished for wasting the admins time.

 

[Miroluck]

~Hepler did not quit BECAUSE of the threats. Even Jim said that in the video. So what you are stating that I took away from the video (amazing that you know what I took away from the video better than I do) is untrue.

That's what she says. Doesn't make it true. It's as if someone got punched in a face completely unjustly and unfairly, and ran away yelling "no, that's totally not because I got punched, I just need to be somewhere!"

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR DEATH THREATS TOWARDS ANYONE. PERIOD.​

There's only one answer to that.

Spoiler

Unless, of course, one who've been threatened is a murderer himself.

 

[WarpZone]

I didn't know this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLz0CqtMVc] still had to be passed around.

No, you're right, it doesn't need to be passed around, but because it's trite bullshit from a pseudo-intellectual asswipe.

Hey, look at it this way. At least he doesn't threaten to murder anybody in the video.

 

[Strazdas]

going 7 days without being a sick fuck? nope, not possible.


stupid people will be stupid and this show will never reach them. you are not wrong. but you achieved nothing.

An episode based around Phil Fish being harassed.

He turned Phil Fish getting the same response he was throwing around all the time into a battle of being abused for years and quitting the industry.*
Fixed it for you.
If you want other people to treat you fairly, do so yourself. Fish didnt.

It's not even that people have to grow up. There is never ever ever ever any reason you should threaten someone or their immediate family,

im quite sick of hearing this. Yes there is. There are multiple reasons why you would do that, both legal and moral ones. This was not one of them, true, but they exist.

Do you know how many times I've had to dish a suspension for threatening or bullying on this site? Do you know how many people report posts in which a user is threatening, insulting or telling someone to commit suicide? Very often, its just one person. It doesn't matter if the thread has over 100 views, only one person will report a post like that. I wouldn't be sitting on this goddamn high horse if I didn't know how often it happens on this very site and its ridiculous, especially in the feminism and transgender threads.

Considering how far you go with your banning (not your personally, moderators on this site) as to give 7 days ban for saying "i think your trolling" as an insult, maybe its that 99 % of the people dont actually think its an insult and theres one individual who is like those crazy people who will get offended and try to sue you if you say you dont worship thier god.
not to mention that i noticed bias towards certain topics. you can get away with calling a pirate a scum that should burn in hell but god forbid you tell the same to, say, a scientist category. This is especially true in topics about piracy and gun control, which dont come up that often anymore.

 

[RicoADF]

I've been told this and acknowledged it. Although I've also acknowledged that the words of the video and the timing of the video tell slightly different stories. I bet if you googled something relevant to this you'd see a whole bunch of articles, including this video, calling for a stop to, saying it's causing dammage, saying we're a load of shits and we need to weed out the 'toxic' among us.

But my question, and my point really, misled as I was by Jim starting this video like so many others and not going the usual route(which is his fault, not mine. It's not my problem if he's creating stuff that sends a very consistent message and has a first impression that grates with people.), is that if this has been a problem for ages, why is it NOW that people are going meltdown?

Apparently, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that this is a notable female to take this shit in an otherwise male collective. It's not in any way a reflection of past issues where people like Sterling won't say a fucking word while it's 'just men' getting their lives threatened over petty shit and then goes all heroic and "Fuck You" when 'the line is crossed' and a, well, victim happens.

I'm just full of shit and it's a massive coincidence apparently.

I definitely see where your coming from and agree that society is very much sexist against men, it turns a blind eye to men being bullied and abused but will jump to the defence of a women.

However, Jim did jump to the defence of Phil Fish and spoke about this topic to some degree before this incident came along, it was a quick one made as a fill in, which you can find here:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7831-Go-Fish

This one is basically him doing a full episode on the topic and expanded into what he thinks of people who do this (where as the other was explaining what it's like from their point of view) now that another incident has happened, it just happens to be a woman this time.

 

[K12]

Maybe he's satirically demonstrating the point that people will go out of their way to rationalise their actions? Condemning people for "only getting offended because it's a woman" seems to be a fairly common way of justifying the actions of the people who threatened Hepler. It's also completely false, as there was a strong reaction to the Vanderbeek/CoD death threats. Jim even did a special show dealing with the Phil Fish debacle, but screw reality, right? We have a talking point to maintain!

Hmm, a video about a culture of men taking piles and piles of shit until their absolute breaking point only to be told they need to grow up when eventually bucking which he only did (impromptu) because loads of people asked him to(apperntly) and he clearly had a very personal stake in the matter, vs "Fuck You. This needs to be ripped out you sacks of shit, right now, FUCK YOU."

He didn't even stand up for himself or a man he liked with the kind of vitriol he put out in this video today. But you're right, that's probably completely unconnected to anything.

Well done for quoting me without actually using my words.

I find it amazing how desperate people are to be seen as victims. It is pretty obvious that opinions develop over time and that a vitriolic response like this one is more likely (and justified) with successive atrocities. Most of his examples in this video were talking about men having horrible threats.

If a similarly egregious threat which gains similar notoriety for similarly spurious reasons happens in the future against a guy and Jim takes a different stance then maybe you'll have a point worth making. Right now you're just sounding pathetic.

 

[Dwarfman]

Snip

Hey Jim! Great episode. This is an issue that needs to be addressed, and indeed across all parts of social media, not just the gaming industry.

Just as an example the news today talked about two sportsmen whose families received threats on twitter because the players wanted to transfer from their clubs to be with them - one is the father of two daughters and wants to be closer to his family, the other has a father with terminal illness. The topic is debatable in it's own right, but when complete fuckwits get up and mindlessly threaten small children and a sick old man because 'their' players aren't showing them loyalty, any hope for a reasonable solution may as well go flying.

One wonders if these people use their brains when they go out of their way to attack and bully people this way.

Once again, great episode and thank God for you.

 

[Legion]

An episode based around Phil Fish being harassed.

He turned Phil Fish getting the same response he was throwing around all the time into a battle of being abused for years and quitting the industry.*
Fixed it for you.
If you want other people to treat you fairly, do so yourself. Fish didnt.

I was not commenting on whether Fish deserved it or not. I was purely responding to the claim that Jim only did this episode because it was a woman who was being harassed. The fact that Jim did a very similar episode in regards to Fish shows that gender was not the motivation.

 

[Strazdas]

An episode based around Phil Fish being harassed.

He turned Phil Fish getting the same response he was throwing around all the time into a battle of being abused for years and quitting the industry.*
Fixed it for you.
If you want other people to treat you fairly, do so yourself. Fish didnt.

I was not commenting on whether Fish deserved it or not. I was purely responding to the claim that Jim only did this episode because it was a woman who was being harassed. The fact that Jim did a very similar episode in regards to Fish shows that gender was not the motivation.

Fair enough. i went on a tangent there without needing to do so.

 

[likalaruku]

A woman is threatened on the internet in a grossly disproportionate manner. I was wondering when we'd have a brouhaha about how some stupid people doing stupid people shit and one/some woman/women taking it all too seriously means that gaming is sexist and we're sexist.

And in case you're wondering, no I didn't watch past the first minute or so, there really isn't a need to at this point.

Lady Victim, evil sexists, misogyny, gaming needs to change, THE ISSUE, etc.

You missed the ball entirely: the video was about shaming young troll gamers for their nerdrage, hypocrisy, & sense of entitlement. Gender isn't brought up even once.

 

[tardcore]

Do you know how many times I've had to dish a suspension for threatening or bullying on this site? Do you know how many people report posts in which a user is threatening, insulting or telling someone to commit suicide? Very often, its just one person. It doesn't matter if the thread has over 100 views, only one person will report a post like that. I wouldn't be sitting on this goddamn high horse if I didn't know how often it happens on this very site and its ridiculous, especially in the feminism and transgender threads.

Long story short. I'm sick of everyone's passive nature to let aggressive posts go unreported, here and on other sites. Gamers need to set a precedent to not only ignore users who lash out at developers and other gamers, but should be willing to report them.

Hey you know what, we both deplore spoiled narrow-minded creeps who think phrases like "Die in a fire" are witty or acceptable methods of communication. If I see that kind of behavior in games or in a community such as this I do report them.

Moot point as far as this argument goes, as saying "Don't lump me in with the crazies" is not the same as "Let's just ignore the crazies." Thanks for spuriously implying that is what any of us who are annoyed that Jim let these idiots hijack his entire weekly video so he could scream at them, are saying. I like Jim and like his videos, but sitting there and watching him spend the entire time lambasting a group of assholes I'm not a member of, or who aren't the kind of people who would listen to his arguments in the first place is a bit hard to take. Those of us saying that we feel his time could have been better spent in a more positive manner does not mean we in any way condone people threatening violence against someone they don't like. And if you look through the entire thread you'll notice a trend that those of us who are asking that a more fair and balanced approach be taken instead of just blaming and shaming an entire gaming community, are being treated like criminals, or in your own depiction, apathetics.

Yeah that's brilliant. As if there isn't enough trouble with the malcontents who are sending death threats to innocent individuals, now we have people like Jim and yourself inciting the community to judge and turn on any members you feel just aren't as concerned over the issue as they should be.

then I really have to start questioning YOUR sanity.

You should. I work full time, go to school full time, tutor on my days off and still volunteer my time here. But hey, I got my happy pills and vodka to keep me going, so I really don't care if you think I'm insane. Normal is overrated anyways.

No sarcasm intended, good for you. However if moderating these boards makes you as upset as you sound about it (being sick of seeing aberrant behavior) then maybe burdening yourself with more things to worry about is a bad idea, as it sounds like you have a pretty full plate already.

I work in a high stress job myself and spend most of my week seeing what happens when implied violence becomes very real violence and trying my best to help deal with the aftermath. Sadly quite often my best isn't good enough. When I get time away I like to spend it playing games or chatting on web forums, so when I see individuals rabbiting on about how septic and terrible the community surrounding my hobbies are without what I feel is proper justification or proportion, it tends to annoy me. Especially so when I feel there are quite a bit of positive aspects about these hobbies, yet no one seems to ever want to discuss them. Which I find more than a bit depressing.

The fact I'm arguing this point with someone with a blue moderator name is seriously making me rethink bothering to patronize this website.

Oh sorry, I forgot, the blue name means I have to be a robot who issues citation warnings.

Oh not at all, I'm just saying as a moderator you should set an example and in this instance I feel you let your emotions override your judgement.

 

[Rellik San]

For those complaining about Jim generalising, the principle is the same as when your in a bar and the staff tell you and your friends who are acting like dicks that if you keep acting like dicks you're all out, yes even you who wasn't being dickish, but instead your dickish friends are threatening the life of the bar staff because the head on their beer was too frothy and rather then asking for a top up politely decided to abuse the poor minimum wage sod who's only trying to keep a roof over his head and food in his fridge. The idea then being the majority will police the minority, because you like this bar, it's the only bar that still reliably plays good music from the nineties and the beer is myriad and kept well and sold at a reasonable price.

See what Jim's trying to do now?

So all in all, a good episode.

 

[Saltyk]

~Hepler did not quit BECAUSE of the threats. Even Jim said that in the video. So what you are stating that I took away from the video (amazing that you know what I took away from the video better than I do) is untrue.

That's what she says. Doesn't make it true. It's as if someone got punched in a face completely unjustly and unfairly, and ran away yelling "no, that's totally not because I got punched, I just need to be somewhere!"

We can only go by her words or not. Considering that most of the abuse happened a while ago, I don't think it's the cause of her leaving. Certainly wouldn't help, but I don't think it's the one and only cause.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR DEATH THREATS TOWARDS ANYONE. PERIOD.​

There's only one answer to that.

Spoiler

Unless, of course, one who've been threatened is a murderer himself.

It's just sad that such things have to be said. Whether they should be obvious or not.

It's equally sad to feel that I need to explain that I don't think pointing a gun at an attacker and screaming "I'll kill you, if you come any closer" is not the same thing. I wouldn't stop and chide the person for death threats. That's not even the same topic as threatening to kill someone's children on the way to school.

And yes, such things are not unique to gaming culture. I've heard that "Animal Rights Activists" have threatened the lives of Ted Nugent's children. That doesn't make threatening the lives of a game programer or anyone else okay.

 

[Vicioussama]

What the fuck is wrong with some people. Sending threats like that to her... I hope they got legal trouble on their ass. Scare the little shits.