Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children
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I might have the chain of events wrong, but didn't people only really start flaming and threatening Hepler after she claimed all of her detractors were jealous of her job and vagina? I thought that before that point, posts directed at her were more critical than really mean spirited or threatening... Not that it excuses the death threats and all, but I think I can see what Chaosritter means when he says they "had it coming".erttheking said:
Instead of rising above the juvenile shit being slung at her, and addressing legitimate criticisms of her ability, Hepler decided to hurl almost equally childish insults back on Twitter. Even worse in the case of Aaron Flynn, who tried to defend Hepler by calling people fucking idiots. It's like I said in my original post. The people claiming to be so much more mature and intelligent than the gaming community need to actually show it by ignoring inflammatory commenters instead of bickering with them and insulting them back.
HNLRoscoe said:
First of all I'm not really sure it went in that order, and even if it did, most of the people who seem to be going on about her seem to forget about that part. And I'm sorry, even if it did happen in that order, that STILL doesn't justify the "She had it coming" thing. Yeesh, the way people seem to think that other people deserve punishments for some things. Makes me appreciate why being a vigilante is illegal.
I can understand the basis of your argument, but I'm reminded of the Jimquisition Go Fish episode. That wasn't their first resort to the first insult. More likely than not it was the result of a straw that broke the camel's back scenario where one comment pushed them too far and they snapped. I saw the "fucking idiot" comment, and it really did seem like he was losing his patience and snapping at the guy. And I'm sorry, you can argue how developers should be above the influence, but when it comes down to people who get harassed on a daily basis for daring to speak their minds, and whiny entitled little shits who threaten someone's children, just because someone said something they didn't like, well, I know where my sympathies are going to lie. Maybe they should, I don't know. Them not being above the influence is hardly enough to defend these people who threaten developers online though, nowhere near enough.
I can understand that. Different stroke for different folks and all.Aardvaarkman said:
I know people do not think that you can overthrow a government, but we are seeing it happening in Syria. Heck, the communist party of China did it back in the 1950s(I think, might have been earlier). My point is that 45% of the US military is Republican, 45% is non-affiliated or Libertarian, and 10% are Democrat. BUT, remember that I do not think it is likely to happen unless something happened, which can not be undone.
I honestly think there are not more problems in the world, I think we are only SEEING the problems because of the instant communications that the Internet provides. My mother and I talked the other day about this, she was born in 1944 and told me that her observation of the world has been that things have always been this bad. We just know about them quicker. For example, in WW2 America did NOT know about the Holocaust of the Jewish people, there were refugees but we figured that the Germans were doing what the USA did to the Japaneses-American population. America had internment camps, that were not pleasant by any means, but everyone was well fed and cared for most of the time. They were wrong and racist, but they could not compare to what the Nazis did. It was not until the American Forces liberated a concentration camp that the full truth was understood.
Now think about today. How long do secrets last? Not very long. A Private in the US Army was just sentenced this week to 35 years for leaking a large number of classified documents. 20 years ago, there might have been leaks, but it would have just been a few pages (or what someone might fit on their person), most documents were not even on a computer.
Now I am rambling again. What were we talking about?
er... isn't the point of expressing opinion the understanding that there will be dissenting opinion?
We can't argue it because it's her opinion........ riiight. [sarcasm] But we can argue facts because they're immutable? [/sarcasm]
She said something shit, she pissed off a bunch of her audience because she doesn't want to do what her audience demands as well as having no idea how to empathize with her audience (doesn't like video games)
Explain to me why we can't react to that? I think we all realize death threats are lame and immature, fine, but not bad mouthing bad devs? Pfft.
As for old bud the tweaked the guns. COD is hardly the road scholars of gaming, you can hardly expect people used to hurling threats at lag to be reasonable, in those cases, ignore them/thick skin as it's hardly like they would even commit one of the threats they spout let alone one so publicized. Or feel free to trade insults, but if you take that road you forgo any moral high ground you may have had.
Otherwise, meh, report on something of actual importance instead of this sensationalized nonsense.
We can't argue it because it's her opinion........ riiight. [sarcasm] But we can argue facts because they're immutable? [/sarcasm]
She said something shit, she pissed off a bunch of her audience because she doesn't want to do what her audience demands as well as having no idea how to empathize with her audience (doesn't like video games)
Explain to me why we can't react to that? I think we all realize death threats are lame and immature, fine, but not bad mouthing bad devs? Pfft.
As for old bud the tweaked the guns. COD is hardly the road scholars of gaming, you can hardly expect people used to hurling threats at lag to be reasonable, in those cases, ignore them/thick skin as it's hardly like they would even commit one of the threats they spout let alone one so publicized. Or feel free to trade insults, but if you take that road you forgo any moral high ground you may have had.
Otherwise, meh, report on something of actual importance instead of this sensationalized nonsense.
Seriously? He sees through the lies of publishers and talks about his unpopular arguments in mature and logical ways and considering moviebob doesnt know anything outside of nintendo and claims that video games can't have good stories if they have lots of player involvment, he's the easiest person to "beat on" on this website.Thoralata said:
Well to be fair, she was a shitty writer and took criticism on biowere forums with ban hummers to the max. This does not however excuses threats and bullying, but what else can you except when you ban conversation.
I don't find rampant shitposting about anti-semitism, 9/11 conspiracies, FEMA conspiracies, Racism, Sexism and child rape worth "The price of freedom".Deadagent said:
No, I'm sorry, but 4chan isn't a place for intelligent discourse, even if its an unpopular opinion. Because even 4chan has its own version of whats "Popular" and the mods will ban you for way dumber reasons than ours will.
Ignore him, he is showing his true colours. Emotionally fuelled ad hominem that is trying to bring you to his level. When somebody uses this tacktic, that means they have no factual rebuttal to offer aka; you won.glider4 said:
I have to disagree on her writing skills at least when it comes to DA2 and ME3, since her greatest contributions were poorly written romance plots and insultingly simplistic gay romances. Hell, the small slaver escapee side mission that took about 3 minutes in ME1 was written better than anything in ME3. Tuchanka was written extremely weakly, deus ex machina, heavy handed exposition everywhere and poorly written girl-power speech to top it all. She is a fanfic writer who got her job as a script writer through her husband. Maybe she got better in TOR, but i highly doubt it.Saviordd1 said:
I liked the dark and brooding anti-hero mage, his actions made the climax have some major emotional payoff. I just wish that Anders could have been in the game. You know, the snarky fun mage from Awakening. I liked what we got, but I just wish we hadn't lost the character I liked to get it. Fenris was annoying as hell though. Over the game he went from "annoying" to "tolerable, barely" for me.Saviordd1 said:
Tuchanka rocked pretty hardcore, the death of Mordin was just about perfect. Only ever played an Inquisitor in TOR, made the mistake of going light side before realizing that half of the morality choices had as the Dark option "zap this moron."
Man, threatening the person themself is bad enough. Threatening their kids too is just horrible. Hopefully some lessons can be learned here.
Honestly, I think the uproar was very telling. I mean, most people would just laugh a comment like that off. I could open up any comment section or forum anywhere and find people being called far worse.xPixelatedx said:
You do realize that 4chan is not just /b/ right? Never seen any conspiracy theories there myself, or child rape, or sexism (note: I dont count every critisim against a female as sexism).Saviordd1 said:
Actually do you have any clue what you're talking about or are you just parroting what people have told you and never checked the site for yourself?
Same old same old: everybody agrees bad things are bad, we just waste our time nitpicking on technicisms and definitions. That's what Jim always does anyway, doesn't he? Explain the obvious and why he's right about it?themilo504 said:
I love the Jimquisition when it takes an unpopular stance on something, such as saying that the "realistic" direction of GTA 5 was actually a good thing and a ballsy move, things of that nature.
I'm not saying you should have took the unpopular stance here, obviously that would be stupid. Obviously.
That's my point. Obviously. It's obvious that it's wrong to threaten to kill children, nobody needs to tell us this, the person that did it wasn't unaware of this fact. You are stating the obvious.
That's what it seems like the series is turning into. Something gaming related is making "headlines" online so you discuss it. That's fine unless it's a story like this were everyone already knows your stance. If you have nothing original or interesting to add, why throw your hat into the ring at all?
As I said in another thread, the person that did this likely has serious mental, psychological, or emotional problems that need to be dealt with in their own personal private time.
Not everything needs to be a big public rage fest. I have seen 4 threads (not counting this one) about the exact same story and all of them seem to be filled with people pretending that there is some group supporting the guy or girl that sent the threat.
"How can anyone say that it's ok?"
Seems to be the phrase of the day in most of those threads, even though everyone in said threads is saying that it's not ok.
When a person shoots another person, it can spark all kinds of discussion, but it shouldn't cause us to just sit in a circle and talk about how bad that person was. Everyone knows it was bad, we get it, let's move on or find some original way to discuss this.
BTW this isn't an "issue with the gaming culture" as so many kids keep claiming, it's a problem that exists in every facet of society. There are schizophrenics that stalk news reporters because they are convinced that they speak directly to them through their tv. Getting together and talking about how bad that person is doesn't really help anyone, including the victims.
I'm not saying you should have took the unpopular stance here, obviously that would be stupid. Obviously.
That's my point. Obviously. It's obvious that it's wrong to threaten to kill children, nobody needs to tell us this, the person that did it wasn't unaware of this fact. You are stating the obvious.
That's what it seems like the series is turning into. Something gaming related is making "headlines" online so you discuss it. That's fine unless it's a story like this were everyone already knows your stance. If you have nothing original or interesting to add, why throw your hat into the ring at all?
As I said in another thread, the person that did this likely has serious mental, psychological, or emotional problems that need to be dealt with in their own personal private time.
Not everything needs to be a big public rage fest. I have seen 4 threads (not counting this one) about the exact same story and all of them seem to be filled with people pretending that there is some group supporting the guy or girl that sent the threat.
"How can anyone say that it's ok?"
Seems to be the phrase of the day in most of those threads, even though everyone in said threads is saying that it's not ok.
When a person shoots another person, it can spark all kinds of discussion, but it shouldn't cause us to just sit in a circle and talk about how bad that person was. Everyone knows it was bad, we get it, let's move on or find some original way to discuss this.
BTW this isn't an "issue with the gaming culture" as so many kids keep claiming, it's a problem that exists in every facet of society. There are schizophrenics that stalk news reporters because they are convinced that they speak directly to them through their tv. Getting together and talking about how bad that person is doesn't really help anyone, including the victims.
Except none of that is really the point.MegaSuperUberMe said:
If you don't think she's a good writer, don't buy games she has written for. Bioware isn't a government, you don't vote these people into their positions, you have no place to demand it be done a certain way or that certain people be fired. You vote with your wallet.
It seems like you played enough of ME3 which means you probably bought it or at least played it by getting it from a friend or rental place. Sitting there eating 60 dollar sandwich while complaining about how poorly it was made doesn't make you look smart or interesting, it makes you look like a spoiled punk that enjoys the sound of his (or her) own voice.
I go on /a/, /b/, /m/, /pol/, /x/ and if I'm feeling particularly suicidal /v/.Deadagent said:
And with that in mind, I repeat my point, 4chan is not the place for intelligent discourse, its best for laughs, rage, wallpapers, pictures and for some people porn.