Jimquisition: New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

Jimothy Sterling

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New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

The PlayStation 4 was announced last week, but Sterling wasn't quite feeling the buzz.

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Ralen-Sharr

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gotta love those internet tough guys...

Hopefully things turn out well for the new console generation.
 

Draconalis

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Don't worry Jim, I wont hate on you. I sat and watched the whole conference and felt pretty "meh" about it.
 

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A great man once said "A new platform is only as good as its launch lineup" and the PS4 is certainly sounding like reheated leftovers at this point.
 

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Most of what you said is precisely why I don't care about the next gen and why I probably wont even bother with it. My PC is still good without an upgrade for several years. So fuck em.
 

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Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers ***** about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?
 

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Get me a version of Greenlight for the PS4 and I just might get one, It's the stagnation of AAA games that is mostly turning me off the gen consoles.
 

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I agree and this is why I have all but decided to switch PC for all my gaming. And when that guy said that he would fuck you up, are you sure he was making a threat? Maybe he was just overcome with passion.
 

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Yeah that pretty much sums it up.
Also right with you on David Cage - the man is full of shit no two ways about it, the fact that anyone holds him up as some kind of great storytelling innovator in the industry is ridiculous. Heavy Rain had some of the worst writing pretending that it was good writing I've ever seen in a game.
 

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Yeah, I can get the fact that the PS4 isn't backwards compatible with physical media of the past generations. It's really tricky to emulate a previous console because you have to cram the hardware of the last few consoles along with the new hardware.

But not tying the PSN accounts from the last two generations and not being able to carry over said account info with all the previously bought games and save data is just flat out WRONG. I hope to Jim that Sony fixes this issue before they release the PS4.
 

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I'm not really looking forward to the next generation either. I think it's because I don't want to abandon my ps3 just yet.
Maybe I buy a ps4 when the slim version comes out.
 

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:/ Eh. You pretty much retold what happened at the announcement(and the David Cage thing to). I feel about the same.
Hell, I have a friend who is a WAY bigger fan of Square Enix than I am, and even he said they fudged up their bit.

As for and David Cage, and Warren Spector talks. I think MovieBob did a good job with his overbites episode on them.
They are bring up the right topics that the games industry should be talking about, in the most pretentious ways, and for really bad reasons.

Thank God for you Jim.
:D Hope the next Aliens game is good!
 

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A few generations back we had a game character in a rather good (if due to publisher involvement unfinished) game saying: "Apathy is Death". Apparantly, the game industry doesn't pay attention to the things their colleagues produce. And sadly, it seems not to Jim either ;).
 
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Was...was that Jonathan Holmes? Everything else in this video is now meaningless, his glory (hole) wipes away any feelings of disappointment I might have felt for the PS4.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
DVS BSTrD said:
This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
Not even a particularly good facelift.

Yay. Social media in my games. If I wanted that, I'd play Farmville.
Shuhei Yoshida said:
You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita. You can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.
So yeah...

According to Sony use it or be Anti-social.
 

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Invadergray said:
A great man once said "A new platform is only as good as its launch lineup" and the PS4 is certainly sounding like reheated leftovers at this point.
Worse than that... Nothing looks like it COULDN'T have just been done in the PS3!

The PS4 looks a bit superfluous to me at this point... Even if Infamous looks like fun.
 

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It's looking more and more like I'll just be sticking to my PC this gen in all honesty. If a lot of games come out on consoles that I really want I may buy into one of them, but it'll probably be which ever console is trying to fuck me less rather than which is "better".
 

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Console gaming is already dead in the water. The WiiU was the last real game console. Everything from here on out is just dedicated PC boxes with off-the-shelf components optimized for gaming and media streaming, with only an OS/apps/games ecosystem to differentiate them.
 

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cynicalsaint1 said:
Yeah that pretty much sums it up.
Also right with you on David Cage - the man is full of shit no two ways about it, the fact that anyone holds him up as some kind of great storytelling innovator in the industry is ridiculous. Heavy Rain had some of the worst writing pretending that it was good writing I've ever seen in a game.
Did it? I don't know, I couldn't get past the excruciatingly dull part (15 mins in) where you watch your kid do his homework and eat dinner. What an escape.

Yea, it felt like a Nintendo event: here's a bunch of games you'd expect and here's one you might not expect but probably played like a year ago on something else.
 

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So...much...cynicism.

Can't say I blame anyone, though; I barely got into the last generation of consoles, so it's not too surprising this new one isn't exactly lighting my fire, either. The thing I actually find the most exciting is the imminent rise of mac and linux compatible games, and I don't even use mac or linux.
 

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Ehhh I was interested but was left feeling a bit meh overall. I'm left feeling meh about consoles and even PC gaming at the moment. The AAA industry and the big business just isn't moving forwards and I'm tired of the pre-order culture and lies we get fed. I mostly play my games on handhelds at the moment because some interesting stuff happens there.

I'm likely not gonna bother this gen until I see some diversification, I don't want another generation filled with safe shooters with 5 hours stories (which GameTrailers laughably now considers to be an ample length for a single player story), and overpriced overhyped generic multiplayer, possibly with a gimmick but no creativity. Don't even need to upgrade my shitty PC at this rate because I have no desire to play Crysis, or Battlefield, I'm more interested in the quirky platformers and RPG's.

Edit: I'm not trying to be a cynical little fuck either I'm jsut burnt out on it. I've had enough of the same old stuff, the same old hype, the same old regurgitated rubbish.

New FF squeenix? Gee thanks but how about a new IP? How about something new and crazy? Remember when you made the first Kigndom Hearts and people were like "That'll never work!" and then it was fucking brilliant?
 

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Assuming the Xbox 3 announcement event ends up like the PS4 one, I feel like these anti-consumer policies are forcing me onto the PC platform. I don't want a media box, I don't want social integration, I don't want kinect or move or waggle remotes - I want to play games without a hastle, and between the beginning of last generation and now there's been a complete 180 on which platforms make you go through a hassle.
 

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Falseprophet said:
Console gaming is already dead in the water. The WiiU was the last real game console. Everything from here on out is just dedicated PC boxes with off-the-shelf components optimized for gaming and media streaming, with only an OS/apps/games ecosystem to differentiate them.
Still another month till a game I want releases on the Wii U ._. NIntendo needs to pull it's finger out it's arse with that.
 

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I was surprised to hear Jim describe the industry as stagnant. Because I thought I was the only one that actually felt that way. While it's mostly the fault of developers for not doing anything new or taking any risks it's also partly our fault as consumers for being content enough to buy the same thing over and over.

I hope Sony can manage to shake things up a little, they certainly were trying to with the Vita and for all its faults it is a fine piece of hardware. If Sony can manage to get more third party support and get a decent amount of the inevitably excellent Japanese library localized, they may just have the breathing space in the next generation to take risks and to convince others to do the same.
 

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Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

 

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Maybe that threat was actually a Closet Case homophobe's version of a propersetion unless he ended it with 'no homo' then it wouldn't be.

I'm sorry I'm trying to be funny I don't know if I'm being homophobic by that statement, and I mean no malace to Jim
 

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I knew there was something off about the PS4 presentation but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thank God for Jim.
 

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Hmm
I'm a bit on the fence about this one.
To be honest I believe that, more "mature" people like us, who have lived through generations of console systems will never get that same excitement as we got when we looked at our first few systems ( for me, I remember Soulcalibur, and I don't think anything will ever rival how excited I was about the game ), so yeah while I personally didn't feel much excitement about anything in the show, I imagine some over-excited kid who'se first console was a PS3, looking at the Killzone trailer must have just gotten his brain blown... SO I feel that we have to pick what to focus our attention on to find things to get excited about.

It's hard to deny that there is a huge area of the game industry profoundly stuck on a greedy protectionist stagnation. And I fully agree with you about the BULSHIT lack of backwards compatibility (and I genuinely feel that David Cage is actually one of the most damaging personalities to Videogames as a medium today; I have felt more emotion from Journey, silent hill, Shadow of the colossus, old Final fantasies and Portal than any of his games which are horrifyingly advertised as the pinnacle of gaming narrative).

But the thing is that as angry as I am about that area of the industry (as I am about the new Youngster Novelists producing onslaughts of teenage vampire werewolf romance stories, or the sequelicious Blockbuster Hollywood productions that have clearly run out of any sort of shame) I know that there are diamonds shining through, and they are more available to us in part thanks to some of these new technologies.

What I -did- like, was the inclusion of 2 rather indie developers in the show, and the implication that self publishing and independent dev IS viable. Which in turn could allow us, to bring more intimate, more interesting experiences to a rather powerful and promising system. I also found that there was an interesting focus on social aspects, which although don't appeal to me directly, could enable some rather nice opening for unconventional multiplayer options, and that, i'm rather excited for.

Anyway, I do agree, but let's hope for the best and look for it when it comes up..
Thank Dog for you ;)

Ps, You shouldn't really read so much from empty internet "threats", It's just people speaking thoughtlessly, without the restraints. In fact, I know it's not your intention at all, but by mentioning this "attack" you are validating the attention seeking intent of who probably is just an immature troll.

Pps, I found it funny how 2 of the games shown were spewing technology paranoia, and then the console is advertised as a machine that gets to know you and predicts your consumer habits... everything everywhere. Raise it up and feed of it I guess.
 

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Wait wait wait wait wait...

A new Infamous? Really? The second one had such a great conclusion! Unless Cole isn't the protagonist this time, I don't think this is going to work out too well.
 

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You know, the video game console industry has been largely the same old thing but with slightly better graphics since the NES days. Even when full 3d was added, it wasn't enough to really justify a purchase to my mind, so I haven't purchased a console, when it was new and current, since the NES. And even that purchase may have been ill-advised. Even if I allow that the PSOne era marked a significant change in the paradigm, it hasn't evolved significantly since. I failed to see what was so much better about the PS2 over the PS1 and the PS3 over the PS2.

So what's so special about the PS4, then? Prettier graphics, but is that all? Of course not, but most of the other improvements are not as noticeable as the graphics. Stuff like improved processing power and such that could allow for larger games and floopy wooby doo. But does this make for better games?

As the prostitute said to the young sailor, it's not what you've got but how you use it. What in the gameplay of any of these games simply could not have been replicated on the PS3 or the PS2 or even the PS1? Better graphics and computing power does not translate to better games. It seemed with the last generation that we'd hit a wall of diminishing returns where the amount of time needed to render the graphics led to shorter, smaller games that were not especially interesting when held up to older games in the same genre or the even the same series.

"Depth" is a word that gets thrown around without much meaning because it seems like no one understands it, especially those who make the games.
 

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As much as I don't give a flying fuck about consoles, I too am tired of this fucking industry.

It's grown old, fat and lazy, to the point where I almost wish it would just all collapse in on itself, so we could have a year or three of new people picking up the pieces, a couple of years to rethink how this entire thing works.

Oh and Jim, would you stop being such a whiny baby? This is the same kind of shit you pulled back during the Uncharted 3 review meltdown. Some wanker on the internet writing about how he'll totally shank you and fuck your mother does NOT constitute an actual threat, grow the fuck up.
 

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WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.
 

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I'm just glad that developers will no longer be forced to fit their games into half a gigabyte of RAM. I won't buy any of the new consoles any time soon (I bought my PS2 in 2005 and just got a PS3 during the Black Friday sales last year, and will probably follow a similar pattern with the next generation, if I decide to buy one at all) but since most PC games are also targeted at consoles having more powerful boxes hooked up to people's TVs effects everyone.

Personally, I think that the consoles that are really going to make waves this generation and define the direction of the industry going forward aren't the PS4, the WiiU or the next Xbox, they're the Ouya, the Gamestick and the Steambox. Consoles based on open standards (Android for the Ouya and Gamestick, Linux PCs for the Steambox) that anyone can implement, rather than a bunch of proprietary boxes controlled by their manufacturers. It's becoming increasingly obvious that needing to buy several machines that do exactly the same thing just because a piece of software you want is exclusive to one or the other is a practice that needs to die, and that the benefits gained by console makers being able to sell their hardware at a loss and make up the difference on software just aren't necessary anymore.
 

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They should stall the release for two more years and give the developers the chance to prove they have the right to develop for the PS4. Show to us that you CAN think of new I.P.'s and that you can give us a product that might as well have been released on the PS3. Because, let's face it, most of what's been shown at this meeting might as well have been for a PS3 Slim Plus.
 

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Overall, I agree. I wasn't really impressed by the reveal but you might be jumping the gun a bit there. It's still very early.
Watch Dog for example, while we already knew about it, it's still an interesting game. I think its success will be based on how scripted the game will be. Will we have as much freedom as they promise or will we have to do the missions in a certain way and it just basically plays like Assassins Creed with smart phones.
Also, I don't quite agree on the David Cage part. I don't really get all the hate for that presentation. When I watched it, it didn't seem to me like he said, good graphics is all it takes to show emotions. Just that it helps. Which is true and that's why I don't see why we can't have both. Just because he emphasised the graphics there, doesn't mean that the writing will be lacking. However, I agree that we probably won't see those graphics like that in games, I remain very skeptical.

One thing though, it's not just the devs who are afraid of change. While many gamers say that they want a breath of fresh air, in the end, most usually just end up buying what they know. People always expect a company to continue a franchise.
Old franchises is what Nintendo is known for, everyone always expects them to make a new Mario or Zelda or Pokemon game with only little changes.
The only way Valve could make CS2 would be to make an exact replica of 1.6 because even the smallest change will be disliked(ok, I guess this is an extreme example).
Or look at the fan reaction to the new DMC.
This isn't really a defense for companies, more a critique to gamers. Indie devs are really the only ones who bring new things to the industry and that's because they have to. They can't compete with the big dogs in similar franchises. While indie devs do have some success, with the exception of Minecraft, they generally don't really reach a very big popularity. Sure, there is stuff like Bastion and Limbo but those are just rare cases, compared to how many there are. It's still just a niche.
Anyway, point is, people want to play the same stuff and if you want to make money, you make the same stuff.
 

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

That was actually pretty damn funny.
 

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

Ah, nertz...I was about to mention that! Dern ninjas...

Still...what Jim says kind of worries me. Are we perhaps seeing the death of the consoles and possibly the death of the video game market as we know it? I hope not...
 

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Zeles said:
Wait wait wait wait wait...

A new Infamous? Really? The second one had such a great conclusion! Unless Cole isn't the protagonist this time, I don't think this is going to work out too well.
The announcement makes it look like there is a new one. My money is far into the future or its an alternative timeline (or the original timeline where things took a lot longer to go to shit.


I'm hoping that there are just setting up IPs that did well for the starting line up and honestly I can't really blame them too much. Yes I want devs to explore as much as possible the new power and punch it to it's limits in new and exciting ways, however not everyone is going to want new IPs off the bat. What are people more liable to look at and buy on launch day? A game they never heard of or a game from a series that they liked in the past and is a safe bet. So I am really hoping that after the first wave of games that devs start pushing and challenging themselves or otherwise we might just have another flat year.

Also its bull that PSN accounts don't care over. Or at least the PSN games. I say that when the PSN games are compatible people with them tied to their accounts should get them for free.
 

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I've never fully understood why people threaten others over the internet, especially threatening public figures (such as yourself) who may live nowhere near the douchebag. I can understand (barely) the sense of anonymity that gives some wankers the sense of empowerment to be total dicks with words. But threats of physical violence? Really? Unless you are some guy who's pissed off at me for sleeping with your girlfriend and you happen to live in the same town, threats of harm over the internet are just a waste of bits, if you ask me.

Meh.
 

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I hear ya Jim, didn't watch the announcement but did read up on it a bit (I was to busy playing Warframe to be bothered :) )

And thus far, this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqxa4HN8KBE&feature=player_detailpage#t=65s] is the only response I've really got right now
 

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This is why the industry is all but dead to me. I just don't care any more. I don't give 2 shits about the next generation of consoles, I really don't. They can all go die in a fire for all I care.
 

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Falseprophet said:
Console gaming is already dead in the water. The WiiU was the last real game console. Everything from here on out is just dedicated PC boxes with off-the-shelf components optimized for gaming and media streaming, with only an OS/apps/games ecosystem to differentiate them.
The hardware components don't make or break a console. What makes a console is standard hardware and OEM certification for all games released on it.
 

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Why would you expect lots of new games?

If it takes 2-3 years to make a new game and for that they need the console.

The WiiU being finalised for at most a year and the PS4 CPU's still not finalised I would not expect any "good" new games till christmas 2015 at the earliest.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Most of what you said is precisely why I don't care about the next gen and why I probably wont even bother with it. My PC is still good without an upgrade for several years. So fuck em.
Agreed I don't see myself going out and buying a PS4 or new xbox at any point in the near future. It's hard to get excited about a new console when I remember the console I currently own was only turned on once this month because I remembered I left a dvd in it.
 

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Holy crap, my sarcasm detector nearly exploded towards the end of that video.

As for the PS4, I at this point in time feel no excitement about it at all. I will probably end up buying one but it won't be for a year or two after it is released. That way they've hopefully fixed any bugs it has, stopped it imploding every time the cat looks at it wrong, is a fair bit cheaper and has a load of decent games for it. Until then, I'll stick with the PS3 (unless that dies).
 

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I am curious why people think PSN games should work on the PS4 but not physical games, they both use the cell.
 
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purifico said:
WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.
Sony being loyal to it's customers??? Pftt are you kidding me still I'll give this console a chance in a couple of years when the work the problems.

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I am curious why people think PSN games should work on the PS4 but not physical games, they both use the cell.
It's not the cell that would be the main problem it's the root key/encryption key that is being completely changed. If i recall there was certain leak a few years back that opened the ps3 up for homebrew/modding and ability to play back-ups. Sony could not change this in the ps3 or psp/vita because it would render all previous software useless much like they are doing with the ps4.
 

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Soon, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will go the way of Sega, Atari and so many more. Meanwhile Apple, Google and Valve are the future of living room gaming. So speaketh Reeve, inspired prophet of the Elder God.
 

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I was rather underwhelmed as well. However, I'll say this. My console of choice for generation 7 was the Xbox 360, because at the time of deciding between it and the PS3 (I'd already brought and been disappointed by the Wii), the 360 was both the cheapest and came with the larger library of more exciting games. Since then, I've been happy with the choice I made. However, whether or not I go back to Sony again for the first time since the PS2 will depend entirely on what Microsoft plans to change about Xbox LIVE for the next generation. If the answer is 'nothing', then I'll welcome Sony back with open arms, because Microsoft are literally out of excuses to charge me money for a service that Playstation and PC gamers get for free. It's not like it bas back at Xbox LIVE's inception where Sony didn't really have an answer to it, so Microsoft could get away with charging for whatever they wanted for their shiny new toy. I will pay for online play or DLC, not for both.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
DVS BSTrD said:
This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
Not even a particularly good facelift.

Yay. Social media in my games. If I wanted that, I'd play Farmville.

Yeah I look at some of the differences in console cycles and realize just how much change there normally is and how this new generation is doing the same old crap.

Look at the SNES era games of cartidges with only 3 save slots most games to the psx/N64 which introduced ram upgrade, rumble pack, external storage called memory cards, games played on discs as well as the cartidges, and cutscenes. The Ps2/xbox era introduced the first multimedia look at playing dvd's as well as games, drastically different graphics, voice over, new and updated controls/input.

Of course we know what the ps3/wii/xbox 360 did different last gen.

However this gen there isn't really anything new. With more games coming to PC minus the few exclusives (most are not system sellers) that Sony and Microsoft have, this next generation I am not even remotely interested in.

The lack of BC is what really did it for me as well. Main reason why I bought one of the early fat Ps3's is because I gave away my psx, broke my ps2 recently at that time, and wanted a system that could play all 3. It was a GREAT investment and I never thought it was a waste. Now that Sony and Microsoft expect me to have 5 console systems in my room is just too much (have all 3 from last gen but at least WiiU is BC).
 

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Every time I get a pre-order for Destiny at work, which is surprisingly often, I just have to mentally roll my eyes, because we really do have no information about the game other than a paragraph of buzzwords like "interactive multiplayer" and "engaging environments."
 

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It would be so simple to set up PSN's PS3 library for PS4, wouldn't it? If it would be exactly a PS3 with PS Plus and improved Network with that apparent doubling of power, I would buy the PS4 at full price. However, with so few games to be on PS4 next year compared to so many exclusives on PS3 today, I'm just going to get the PS3 this year instead of the PS4 next year.

Hey, it's Sony's loss.
 

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As much as I don't give a flying fuck about consoles, I too am tired of this fucking industry.

It's grown old, fat and lazy, to the point where I almost wish it would just all collapse in on itself, so we could have a year or three of new people picking up the pieces, a couple of years to rethink how this entire thing works.
All of this, I think it is time to stick to find a new hobby or stick with what we have while the industry stagnates and dies. The jump from each console generation was a pretty large leap in technology, ideas and types of games but this one feels like a step to the side with everyone sticking to what they know.
I think it's to soon for a new console generation, it feels like I got my PS3 only a little while ago and I still have plenty to play and do with it. When rumours of these consoles started popping up a few years ago I didn't feel excitement like when I heard about the PS3 and 360, it was a "Eh, that's nice but I don't care." feeling.

All I know is that I will not being buying any new consoles (except maybe a 3DS, handhelds are probably the future and show particular promise), I will probably build myself a PC and work on my massive backlog while the industry crumbles around us.
 

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No it's not just you, I was sitting open armed at the new console generation announcements.

...And promptly crossed them after all the 'new' announcements, Welp PC old pal, looks like you're still in business for the interim. Hope you're ready to work, since the price of a new graphics card is all I'll need to see it through this generation I guess.

It's a facelift at best. Nothing innovative about any of this.
Feels like a cash grab, looks like a cash grab, so I'm treating it like a cash grab and supporting the medium I feel is going to give me my bang for buck and not stagnate as long as there's a million trapped bedroom nerds creating fantastic, cheap and even free content for it.
 

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YES!, thank God for you indeed Jim, this is exactly how I felt about the announcement of the PS4 and exactly how I feel about the Wii U and whatever Microsoft concocts as an excuse for a "new console".

I already gave up a long time ago, I'm sticking to my trusty and good ol' PC, especially living in this country, where console gaming is a luxurity of maddening proportions, I already feel incredibly uncomfortable spending more than $20 for a 10+ hours single player game (even bought Skyrim at a discount).

Also, in this day and age where there are more and more quality F2P games, I hardly justify spending money in a game anymore (except for HIB games, wich are incredibly fun and refreshing).
 

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WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.

The PS3 PSN games are coded to run on PS3 hardware not PS4 so the only way to get PS3 games to run on the PS4 is to port everygame first! there is no other way apart from streaming like how onlive works.

It's the exact same thing Apple did when the mac's went from POWER (Cell is a POWER based CPU) to x86 and they told there customers if they wanted new software they needed a nex $1000+ Mac.
 

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So...basically we're calling out Sony for what Nintendo has done almost every generation? Trotting out extensions of the same series.

Call up Nintendo! Turns out their fans don't actually want a Mario/Zelda/Metroid game. Because it reminds them too much of 1987.
 

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GAunderrated said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
DVS BSTrD said:
This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
Not even a particularly good facelift.

Yay. Social media in my games. If I wanted that, I'd play Farmville.

Yeah I look at some of the differences in console cycles and realize just how much change there normally is and how this new generation is doing the same old crap.

Look at the SNES era games of cartidges with only 3 save slots most games to the psx/N64 which introduced ram upgrade, rumble pack, external storage called memory cards, games played on discs as well as the cartidges, and cutscenes. The Ps2/xbox era introduced the first multimedia look at playing dvd's as well as games, drastically different graphics, voice over, new and updated controls/input.

Of course we know what the ps3/wii/xbox 360 did different last gen.

However this gen there isn't really anything new. With more games coming to PC minus the few exclusives (most are not system sellers) that Sony and Microsoft have, this next generation I am not even remotely interested in.

The lack of BC is what really did it for me as well. Main reason why I bought one of the early fat Ps3's is because I gave away my psx, broke my ps2 recently at that time, and wanted a system that could play all 3. It was a GREAT investment and I never thought it was a waste. Now that Sony and Microsoft expect me to have 5 console systems in my room is just too much (have all 3 from last gen but at least WiiU is BC).
Your examples of big changes between generations is a little ridiculous.

-512 MB RAM to 8 GB RAM doesn't qualify as a RAM upgrade?
- They can't reinvent rumble and no one wants to go back to proprietary memory cards.
- We still have discs, cards and cutscenes.
- The PS2 didn't introduce multimedia, PS1 had CD playback as did other cd based consoles of the 90's.
- I don't know what you mean by drastically different graphics on the PS2, it's just improved PS1 graphics and the PS3 is just improved PS2 graphics and the PS4 will be improved PS3 graphics.
- Nothing new this gen? How about the touchpad on the PS4 controller? How about the touch screen on the Upad?
- I can assure you that most people's PC's won't be able to run games designed for the PS4.
+ I agree with you about BC.
 

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Think I'll be giving this next "generation" a miss.

Had a great time with my XBox 360 whilst I had it, but now I've a list of games on my Steam wishlist as long as my arm - most of which are beautiful/clever indie titles for under $25 - and I just think "why bother with a console for the foreseeable future?"
 

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You know what I never get sick of? People complaining companies they have no vested interest in are too risk adverse.


*barf*
 

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Surprise???
While I am grateful to console gaming for attraction of new gamers, I hate it with insane rage for what it did to gaming
Maybe if gamers switch to PC for a generation or two it will be a good thing?
And unless MS pulls some insane stunt with new Xbox it seems the only safe space for those who want just play games will be PC
I don't want social crap, I don't want unnecessary 30min updates when I have only hour or to two play, I don't want move-y wavy gimmicks, I don't won't rent my gaming platform. I WANT TO GAME FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!! No more no less.
 

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I'm tired of have to either buy the game I already own, AGAIN, or keep a half dozen consoles hooked up to my tv. Thank goodness for steam.
 

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Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

Ha! That's actually MORE honest and straight-talking than the real PS4 presentation. Pre-orders, non-playable demos that don't feature gameplay, trash-talking, no backwards compatability (not even for digital games from PSN?! WTF?!)?
I guess I'll say it: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Oh wait, there's something new: it won't play used games. So new doesn't always mean good.

And I STILL don't know what it looks like!
 

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If only Heavenly Sword actually looked that good in gameplay. I might repurchase the game if a HHD remake was made for PS4 that looked just like that.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

The PlayStation 4 was announced last week, but Sterling wasn't quite feeling the buzz.

Watch Video
I will say that I heavily disagree, as a developer myself, on the development aspects.

Developers liking the PS4 hardware to develop for is not for the same reasons as the WiiU, as the WiiU interest was more from a design aspect. The reason why developers are eager for the PS4 is because it uses x86 architecture, which means that targeting development is much easier because they can develop and optimise the same as they do for PC, meaning less time spent porting and they don't need to learn an entirely new style of development in the first place.

The reason PSN games can't run on the PS4 is the same reason why full retail games can't run on the PS4, as they're developed for the Cell. PSN games running on the Vita is because a Vita version has been specifically developed alongside it, as they're also different architectures (the Vita uses an ARM chip as is the norm for mobile devices nowadays), the Vita doesn't simply run the PS3 version as that would be impossible.
 

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The way I see it, once the "two thumbstick", vibration, and internet connectivity became standard, we hit the wall. Everything else (motion controls, touchscreens, social/streaming, cameras) has been grasping at straws and trying to pile on a solidified and perfected formula. I think we have to start looking at the screens, or rather how we experience the content as opposed to how we interact with it.

The consoles have the un-moving wall that is the HDTV, where the resolution is capped at 1080p. PC already has triple-monitor setups, and I see the real future being the Oculus Rift. If the Steambox/Ouya situation makes the Oculus Rift easy to use, it should be a big deal. What makes it hard is when the hardware in question isn't bundled with the system itself...compare the Wii to the PS Move controllers. I haven't seen a 3D TV in action, but I can't imagine that it does much more than make the old experience cumbersome and headache inducing.
 

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Crono1973 said:
GAunderrated said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
DVS BSTrD said:
This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
Not even a particularly good facelift.

Yay. Social media in my games. If I wanted that, I'd play Farmville.

Yeah I look at some of the differences in console cycles and realize just how much change there normally is and how this new generation is doing the same old crap.

Look at the SNES era games of cartidges with only 3 save slots most games to the psx/N64 which introduced ram upgrade, rumble pack, external storage called memory cards, games played on discs as well as the cartidges, and cutscenes. The Ps2/xbox era introduced the first multimedia look at playing dvd's as well as games, drastically different graphics, voice over, new and updated controls/input.

Of course we know what the ps3/wii/xbox 360 did different last gen.

However this gen there isn't really anything new. With more games coming to PC minus the few exclusives (most are not system sellers) that Sony and Microsoft have, this next generation I am not even remotely interested in.

The lack of BC is what really did it for me as well. Main reason why I bought one of the early fat Ps3's is because I gave away my psx, broke my ps2 recently at that time, and wanted a system that could play all 3. It was a GREAT investment and I never thought it was a waste. Now that Sony and Microsoft expect me to have 5 console systems in my room is just too much (have all 3 from last gen but at least WiiU is BC).
Your examples of big changes between generations is a little ridiculous.

-512 MB RAM to 8 GB RAM doesn't qualify as a RAM upgrade?
- They can't reinvent rumble and no one wants to go back to proprietary memory cards.
- We still have discs, cards and cutscenes.
- The PS2 didn't introduce multimedia, PS1 had CD playback as did other cd based consoles of the 90's.
- I don't know what you mean by drastically different graphics on the PS2, it's just improved PS1 graphics and the PS3 is just improved PS2 graphics and the PS4 will be improved PS3 graphics.
- Nothing new this gen? How about the touchpad on the PS4 controller? How about the touch screen on the Upad?
- I can assure you that most people's PC's won't be able to run games designed for the PS4.
+ I agree with you about BC.
Well I guess I will answer your post in order since you didn't seem to understand my point (no offense).

- It is a ram upgrade but my mention of the n64 was that it was the FIRST ram upgrade, hence being an innovation. Also RAM doesn't work the same way in consoles as it does in computers so while it is a nice boost, I don't think it will be as great as people touting it will believe.

- I never said they should do either of those. You are just projecting something I never said in an attempt to defend Sony (for whatever reason). I was merely pointing out the leaps and jumps from past console generations to the next and how this one has very little jumps.

- Again read my first point as this is also just another case of missing the point.

- This point I am going to chalk up to agree to disagree because any argument I can think of just comes down to a matter of personal taste.

- Touchpad is nothing new considering touchpad technology with cell phones, Ipads, and handheld gaming devices such as DS and Vita. That is not innovation that is just taking an old idea and finally implimenting them to the consoles. Now if they attempted it back in 2009/2010 it would be a different story.

- You can assure me? That is just a bunch of nonsense there that you think you can speak for every PC gamer out there. Please don't talk nonsense. I can deal with opinions but when you try and speak for everyone as a whole, that's just plain garbage.
 

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Wait, am i reading this wrong or on the video it says GARME JOURNALIZM isnstead of GAME?
 

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Wait wait wait wait wait...

A new Infamous? Really? The second one had such a great conclusion! Unless Cole isn't the protagonist this time, I don't think this is going to work out too well.
He isn't, they apparently have a new website up that gives barebones details about the plot. Still doesn't make too much sense given either conclusion of InFamous 2 imo. Hopefully Sucker Punch is able to differentiate it from the previous games.
 

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- I can assure you that most people's PC's won't be able to run games designed for the PS4
Since you are so sure, tell me: what kind of PC won't be able to run a game designed for the PS4/Xbox720?

I've just updated my PC buying a GTX 670, an SSD and some more RAM (for the total of 12 GB). I hope it will be able to handle games designed for the next gen at medium settings.

I own a PS3 and a gaming PC. I think that in the next gen, the Steambox will roll the competition.
 

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Yes, the industry needs to shake up a bit. But not to stop churning out sequels. They should keep coming to generate money for experimental stuff. Yes, there should be more experimental stuff, that I agree but there has to be money to be wasted on such expeditions since most of it will blow over gamers heads. Ps3 had Heavenly sword and Folklore, two great games, Folklore being one of the most beautiful to behold in this whole generation. And they both failed, the second one failed HARD! And I hope to see more till launch. I hold some hope in reserve.

Now you mention problem with Backwards compatibility. I understand your anger, but YOUR anger is pretty much irrelevant. Vast majority does not care about it, but vast majority will care about raised prices. And second, i will never understand how location of games makes a difference. If games does not work it does not WORK. Disc or PSN does not matter! I can?t wrap my head about that. You either can or can?t play it. Where does the location factor in?

About Developer masturbation section. You have to understand that Sony was skewed hundreds of times because it had hardware notoriously difficult to work with. They were saving their heads. Putting out the message that PS3-XBOX360 comparison debacle will not repeat was one of the top 5 priorities of this presentation i would dare to argue.

I took quite a different conclusion from Cage. He said that new generation allows us to stop to exaggerate emotions to convey them. To stop using anime level faces to convey subtle changes in people. And I agree to some extent. I love Tell Tales Walking Dead game, but visual "acting" is exaggerated, to ridiculous amounts in some cases. I'm terrible at reading people but I could read faces in L.A. Noire to the point that the game was boring to me. At least that's what I got from his talk. His DICE talk had much worse connotation.

As for Media Molecule? You are really comparing that to Wii music. Wii music was a game, this is concept. And I'm really split about it. I really love the creativity of it, and I believe in Media Molecule that they can make something fun with it. On the other hand it was shameless plug for failed Move.

As for the rest, Phanta Rei engine is looking really good, even if you can cut it to half for actual gameplay, Square Enix was laughable, Bungie on PS is Bungie on PS and Blizzard Deal started way before Diablo III came out for PC.

All in all, sequels sell. I expect Naughty Dog other team to announce Uncharted 4 for PS4, not some new IP. And I expect that because it will do more for PS4 launch then some new IP. But there will be new IPs. They just will take time. Or Sony didn't want to blow its main load so early which is even more probable.

In the end I'm far more excited about features of console. Social sharing is done great if it's as shown and they mentioned PSN self-publishing. If that possibility does not excite you you are already dead. And I know there is some bit BUT berried in there, along ones for Gaikai Streaming and not blocking Used Games, but pure possibility is great.
 

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Jim, were you actually threatened physically (i.e: confronted in the street), or was it just some guy posting idle threats online?
 

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FedericoV said:
Crono1973 said:
- I can assure you that most people's PC's won't be able to run games designed for the PS4
Since you are so sure, tell me: what kind of PC won't be able to run a game designed for the PS4/Xbox720?

I've just updated my PC buying a GTX 670, an SSD and some more RAM (for the total of 12 GB). I hope it will be able to handle games designed for the next gen at medium settings.

I own a PS3 and a gaming PC. I think that in the next gen, the Steambox will roll the competition.
Most PC's don't have a GTX 670, 12 GB's of RAM and a quad core. Was the point of this post to brag about YOUR specs?
 

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Falseprophet said:
Console gaming is already dead in the water. The WiiU was the last real game console. Everything from here on out is just dedicated PC boxes with off-the-shelf components optimized for gaming and media streaming, with only an OS/apps/games ecosystem to differentiate them.
Still another month till a game I want releases on the Wii U ._. NIntendo needs to pull it's finger out it's arse with that.
I was gonna buy one for Rayman and Bayonetta but now... yeah... still getting it for Pikmin, which by the way Nintendo, when iiiiiiisss?
 

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The reason I quit consoles is because of this. This week I had no issues playing Stronghold and the original Deus Ex on my pc. Unlike consoles, my games don't become completely USELESS!
 

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PunkRex said:
SkarKrow said:
Falseprophet said:
Console gaming is already dead in the water. The WiiU was the last real game console. Everything from here on out is just dedicated PC boxes with off-the-shelf components optimized for gaming and media streaming, with only an OS/apps/games ecosystem to differentiate them.
Still another month till a game I want releases on the Wii U ._. NIntendo needs to pull it's finger out it's arse with that.
I was gonna buy one for Rayman and Bayonetta but now... yeah... still getting it for Pikmin, which by the way Nintendo, when iiiiiiisss?
Well Bayonetta is coming... sometime... Pikmin is... sometime this year...

...

See I'd really like to defend the Wii U but I haven't yet bought any new g ames on it. I have Mario Bros U and ZombiU and Tekken Tag 2... That's it, Lego City Undercover looks fun, then there's actually nothing I can think of with a firm date. Hell in Europe Scribblenauts has been indefinately delayed and I kind of wanted that.

Don't get me wrong Mario Bros U is good and ZombiU is decent if it tickles your fancy but the damn thing needs games, new games, exclusive games, and it needs them a month ago. I think I last used mine aweek ago to pick up F-Zero from the eShop and try the Monster Hunter demo (short story: The controls fucking suck).
 

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GAunderrated said:
Crono1973 said:
GAunderrated said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
DVS BSTrD said:
This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
Not even a particularly good facelift.

Yay. Social media in my games. If I wanted that, I'd play Farmville.

Yeah I look at some of the differences in console cycles and realize just how much change there normally is and how this new generation is doing the same old crap.

Look at the SNES era games of cartidges with only 3 save slots most games to the psx/N64 which introduced ram upgrade, rumble pack, external storage called memory cards, games played on discs as well as the cartidges, and cutscenes. The Ps2/xbox era introduced the first multimedia look at playing dvd's as well as games, drastically different graphics, voice over, new and updated controls/input.

Of course we know what the ps3/wii/xbox 360 did different last gen.

However this gen there isn't really anything new. With more games coming to PC minus the few exclusives (most are not system sellers) that Sony and Microsoft have, this next generation I am not even remotely interested in.

The lack of BC is what really did it for me as well. Main reason why I bought one of the early fat Ps3's is because I gave away my psx, broke my ps2 recently at that time, and wanted a system that could play all 3. It was a GREAT investment and I never thought it was a waste. Now that Sony and Microsoft expect me to have 5 console systems in my room is just too much (have all 3 from last gen but at least WiiU is BC).
Your examples of big changes between generations is a little ridiculous.

-512 MB RAM to 8 GB RAM doesn't qualify as a RAM upgrade?
- They can't reinvent rumble and no one wants to go back to proprietary memory cards.
- We still have discs, cards and cutscenes.
- The PS2 didn't introduce multimedia, PS1 had CD playback as did other cd based consoles of the 90's.
- I don't know what you mean by drastically different graphics on the PS2, it's just improved PS1 graphics and the PS3 is just improved PS2 graphics and the PS4 will be improved PS3 graphics.
- Nothing new this gen? How about the touchpad on the PS4 controller? How about the touch screen on the Upad?
- I can assure you that most people's PC's won't be able to run games designed for the PS4.
+ I agree with you about BC.
Well I guess I will answer your post in order since you didn't seem to understand my point (no offense).

- It is a ram upgrade but my mention of the n64 was that it was the FIRST ram upgrade, hence being an innovation. Also RAM doesn't work the same way in consoles as it does in computers so while it is a nice boost, I don't think it will be as great as people touting it will believe.

- I never said they should do either of those. You are just projecting something I never said in an attempt to defend Sony (for whatever reason). I was merely pointing out the leaps and jumps from past console generations to the next and how this one has very little jumps.

- Again read my first point as this is also just another case of missing the point.

- This point I am going to chalk up to agree to disagree because any argument I can think of just comes down to a matter of personal taste.

- Touchpad is nothing new considering touchpad technology with cell phones, Ipads, and handheld gaming devices such as DS and Vita. That is not innovation that is just taking an old idea and finally implimenting them to the consoles. Now if they attempted it back in 2009/2010 it would be a different story.

- You can assure me? That is just a bunch of nonsense there that you think you can speak for every PC gamer out there. Please don't talk nonsense. I can deal with opinions but when you try and speak for everyone as a whole, that's just plain garbage.
1) The N64 memory pack may have been an innovation for consoles but it wasn't a good one. Upgrading RAM is supposed to be outside the scope of consoles, that's the point of standard hardware. You'll notice it hasn't happened since.

2) I am confused, how am I defending Sony when I say no one wants to go back to proprietary memory cards? How am I defending Sony when I say that no one can reinvent rumble? You are full of shit with this point, I didn't defend Sony or any other company. In fact, Sony is still using proprietary memory cards with the Vita.

3) I see, by "nothing new" you meant "nothing that hasn't been seen before". You know what buddy, we don't want more crap thrown at us JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEW. I don't want the touchpad or the touchscreen but this IS the most change the Dual Shock has seen since the analog sticks were added. People screaming about innovation just for the sake of it...irritate me.

4) Learn to read, I said "most", not "every". Now tell me, do you think MOST PC's are high end?
 

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Zeckt said:
The reason I quit consoles is because of this. This week I had no issues playing Stronghold and the original Deus Ex on my pc. Unlike consoles, my games don't become completely USELESS!
Indeed. If Steam said you couldn't play your digital games on the next version of Windows, very few would be ok with it.
 

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Well of course that, when developers say they are waiting for the "next generation", they just mean they're waiting for prettier graphics and pretty much throw the blame of stagnant titles on the console developers. Really, Ubisoft is the one who's always wanking that dead horse and I'm surprised it still appears in the news. Yves is so full of shit, it's surprising how he hasn't been seen wearing gas masks.

While I agree with you on most aspects, I hardly believe that the failure of the PS4 and Xbox 720 will mean the end of console gaming. In honesty, I do hope they fail, since as long as the money's there, console gaming will awaken from the ashes like the Phoenix, with new console developers, new concepts and fresh games.


It's still a bit too early, though. Until more is revealed and until the Xbox 720 rears it's head, all we can do is speculate.


On a side note, I do hope that the Xbox 720 won't be far superior to the PS4. I'd hate to move to Xbox and pay the online gameplay subscription.
 

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Thank you for mentioning how absurd the PSN thing is. A good addendum to that is the fact that there really is no reason why the PS4 shouldn't be able to play PS2 and PS1 games. Emulation, while buggy with PS2 games, would allow many PS2 games still playable, and many more PS1 games then that. They tout the PS4 as having the simple architecture of a PC? Well, PCs can emulate these consoles just fine. So they don't really have an excuse for lack of backwards compatibility outside of PS3 games. Whats startling isn't the lack of backwards compatibility with PSN, PS1 and PS2 games, but the obvious attitude this implies. You're right, the industry hasn't changed from last gen. They are still just checking arbitrary boxes of what their data says gamers find relevant. This is exactly why the vita turned out the way it did. We (gamers) are now aliens to them. They have no idea what we actually want or need. They can't, they're too detached.

This is some pretty stark contrast to the initial release of the PS1.
 

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The reverence for David Cage strikes me as coming from people with little imagination and even less understanding of competent - let alone good - writing. I suspect we're stuck with him because the film industry won't have him.
 

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Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
purifico said:
WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.
Sony being loyal to it's customers??? Pftt are you kidding me still I'll give this console a chance in a couple of years when the work the problems.

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I am curious why people think PSN games should work on the PS4 but not physical games, they both use the cell.
It's not the cell that would be the main problem it's the root key/encryption key that is being completely changed. If i recall there was certain leak a few years back that opened the ps3 up for homebrew/modding and ability to play back-ups. Sony could not change this in the ps3 or psp/vita because it would render all previous software useless much like they are doing with the ps4.
I seem to remember them saying in the conference or in the after-interviews that there are legitimate coding reasons that makes it impossible to just drag and drop PS3 games into the PS4, which couldn't come without building in an emulator (which would increase development costs) or changing the original code structure (which will take time). As far as the information I've seen, unless the game devs made the effort to re-code to the new console, the games formerly on the PSN would be unavailable on the PS4. I don't think it's worth getting upset for until they start selling the same thing we've already purchased. If that game isn't for sale at all through this medium, it's an unfortunate miss for library transfer, but not something that's inherently greedy/short-sighted.

OT: I don't get the hate that comes across for the PS4. While people's concerns or expectations can always be discussed, the pure amount of "WORST EVAR" discussions are shameful to the gaming community and shows exactly why developers do what they do. In Jim's video, he talks about how it's more of the same from the game's industry (pre-hype, announcement announcements, etc.) However, these practices aren't around because company's love spending time/energy/resources to give you vague information.

The fact is that teaser trailers, pre-release hype, and the early dispersal of information are eaten up by the consumer. These marketing tactics are employed across the corporate landscape. Why? The internet. The biggest hurdle businesses face is getting their name out there. How can a consumer shop at your store or pay for your products when they don't know you exist? Even when speaking about a console in a negative light, you serve to spread awareness of the PS4's existence and features. By not revealing details in full, Sony has ensured that the internet machine will be abuzz with discussion on its device. People's overwhelming desire to speculate, quantify, and share their opinions is doing all their marketing for them at very little cost.

This internet machine not only helps to build awareness, but also serves to push product. Generally speaking in regards to how our psyches work, the more people are exposed to something, the more favorably they will perceive it. In psychology, this is known as the mere-exposure effect. This is not without it's potential downfalls for a company, as they do run the risk of over-exposure. But, despite the fact that we're all talking about it, Sony doesn't seem to be PUSHING marketing on me (at least not yet, in comparison to movie companies). I watched the conference because I was interested, not because they took out ad-space prior to my favorite video series to berate me about the PS4.

Also, providing an extremely antagonizing opinion allows an avenue for the people who viewed the product as moderate or favorable to dissent to your opinion. At the end of the day, polarization can be a solid business move. 10 consumers who are completely committed to your brand (fan boys, as the gaming community would call them) are arguably more valuable than 20 people who aren't. Look at Apple. You can't tell me that they don't survive/thrive with their fan-boys. My roommate will literally buy whatever gadget comes out with Apple's logo on it (whether or not he needs it or if there are better devices out there). It's not limited to physical product, either. Fox News is another example. They've polarized their audience against any other sources of information, thus holding a monopoly on a core audience's ad revenue power.

Do you demand that companies start giving you more information that's concrete over what we get now? Stop being that kind of consumer. Stop letting it work for them. Nobody's forcing you to watch the conference. Nobody's forcing you to post the 900th message to the forums on the subject. Most importantly, nobody's forcing you to buy the thing. Why do you hate something that, unless you decide to buy it, has absolutely NO IMPACT on your life? When you do these things as a consumer, you only serve to feed the beast.

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Honestly most excited about The Witness and what this means for Sony. It means they're attempting to bring indies and interesting games (a la Journey and The Unfinished Swan) into their system- basically being the ARtisan system this gen.
 

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Honestly most excited about The Witness and what this means for Sony. It means they're attempting to bring indies and interesting games (a la Journey and The Unfinished Swan) into their system- basically being the ARtisan system this gen.
Sounds boring. Art games generally suck.
 

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Watch out, Jim. Now that guy is reeeeeally gonna fuck your shit up.

OT: Man I hope the industry can get it together in the coming years. Although, sadly, I'm afraid things will continue right along as per usual regardless of whether it does or not. Mmh, that was pretty pessimistic; to counter that statement, at least we'll have better looking games... yeah I know.
 

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Thank god for you, Jim! I made a parallel between Sony's 3rd party support reel and Nintendo's Wii U 3rd party support reel and pointed out that I wasn't at all excited elsewhere and was pretty much ignored or called stupid. I'm just happy that somebody else remembered the Wii U having the same thing and then none of the mother fuckers actually backed it up.

Also, yeah, this was the worst possible time for Sony to show off tech demos and concepts. One week after the Aliens Colonial Marines scandal had taught us not to believe anything they show us to be what they say it is, Sony expects us all to believe that everything they showed as a fully interactive thing running on PS4 hardware and not some fake bullshit. And they didn't even have the smarts to edit out Randy Pitchford from their 3rd party support reel, giving me TWO reasons not to take it seriously.

Also yes David Cage talks bullshit. Games have too much gun violence, too many guns in games aahh! This coming from a guy who made a game that has this scene in it:
Don't get me wrong, his talking bullshit isn't going to stop me wanting Beyond Two Souls, but he talks bullshit nonetheless.

One last thing, just going to leave this here:


bringer of illumination said:
Some wanker on the internet writing about how he'll totally shank you and fuck your mother does NOT constitute an actual threat, grow the fuck up.
I remember when I was in middle school and some kid who got bullied saying he was going to kill the bullies didn't constitute an actual threat. Then Columbine happened and suddenly it was an actual threat.

Point is, just because people talk shit on the internet doesn't mean you're safe. One day a crazy mother fucker could come along and actually do it, so yes, it is an actual threat and should be taken as such.
 

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It seems the same because guess what? We havent fixed the problems of the industry. We keep rewarding these people instead of punishing them. So when they give a lie of horseshit saying they cant continue BCing PS2 on PS3... and people kept buying PS3 units even without originally promised features, and then turn around to use that lie as a means to create a profit market on reselling digital versions Is it the least bit surprising they would manufacture yet another reason why those digital purchases wont continue to work?

We have the industry we deserve because it is the industry we have allowed to exist.
 

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Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

Ok that was good!

And I agree pretty much with Jim here, where the hell are the new IPs and new ideas? I don't want another killzone shoot shoot press button to open door explosion fest, give me a open world game where you play as someone that can manipulate two enemy armies to complete your missions for you or something!
 

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when the COD franchise stops breaking sales records year after year, I think the games industry can manage a new golden age for gaming.

To have 2007 all over again ^^
 

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Threats of physical violence is where a persons ability to be reasonable has flown out the window and from the sounds of it he was not trying to begin with
I'm very disappointed with the ps4 and am really hesitant when thinking about getting one
No backwards compatibility and having to be always online is what is killing it for me
 

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Of course people are going to get angry when you insult their magic game box, because they put some sort of personal investment mentally. It's the same as the apple users who when taking photos or have art made of them they make the effort to get that stupid apple logo on their laptop shown to make sure that people know he's an apple user and not some PC scrub.

People get emotionally attached to the piles of plastic and soldered metal that puts out graphics for some reason, personally I just get angry when the device stops working and I have to decide on bothering with another.

PS4's showing was unimpressive because like the PS3s showing it can all change instantly and graphics get pulled back looking drastically less impressive (though impressive still). Not a lot seem to remember but the PS3 was supposed to do a lot more visually and in the end it doesn't even display every game in 720p, it has to upscale some games to be that.
 

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For once I would like for someone to point out that developers can make games at [email protected] They could do that on PS3 and XBOX360. They choose not to. And the reason is that game will look much more impressive with more stuff on screen at lower resolution. It's not that they can't make it, it's that visually it looks better at lower resolution with more effects, more precise rendering etc.
 

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I joined Twitter and saw the hype for this one, and I have to admit I wanted to see this, and I'm pleased with this video - it's more than whenever PS4 sucks or not.
 

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Eh I understand the backwards compatibilty thing but should we really blame the ps4 for developer's being just plain lazy and afraid to try new things. We can't hold back technology because some don't know how to use it or don't want to make new things on it
 

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For some reason I feel like Microsoft are using this announcement of the PS4 to their advantage. They see what Sony did wrong and then will strike back with something that may just blow us away. I don't know how but we have yet to really see.
 

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mjc0961 said:
bringer of illumination said:
Some wanker on the internet writing about how he'll totally shank you and fuck your mother does NOT constitute an actual threat, grow the fuck up.
I remember when I was in middle school and some kid who got bullied saying he was going to kill the bullies didn't constitute an actual threat. Then Columbine happened and suddenly it was an actual threat.

Point is, just because people talk shit on the internet doesn't mean you're safe. One day a crazy mother fucker could come along and actually do it, so yes, it is an actual threat and should be taken as such.
You did NOT just compare some overweight fanboy getting butthurt because someone on the internet insulted a videogame he liked to fucking Columbine.

Please be fucking kidding.

I don't want to believe that anyone is THIS fucking stupid.
 

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In response to the summary of this video: YES!!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!

I swear, between mediocre releases, the homogenization of all gaming genres, unfriendly DLC practices, and the state of games journalism, I am amazed I still game as much as I do.

Then again, as much as I tout being a hardcore gamer, I may be relegated to "casual" status considering time spent playing nowadays. I only play a couple of "high profile hits" a year, and spend the rest of the time with redux/classic gaming.

Still, here's hoping the industry pulls its head out of its butt and actually starts developing with more intelligence.

Cripes, I sound naive, but there hasn't been a deluge of decent RPG's since PS2...

EDIT: new IP's shouldn't have to be blockbusters to turn a profit; it's just that marketing is so bloated, you end up having situations where games "can't fail" if they want to get the green light. EG: Dead Space 3 needing to sell more units than its predecessors combined to "break even." And even if we follow this theory, which I don't ascribe to, aren't the CoD's supposed to support the "Art" games?
 

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When they inovate and make some good games, they don't sell. Look at Mirror's Edge.

Though I think you're late, last generation was already stagnating, they had new IP's but not new ideas. Except Portal, Portal rocks.
 
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
purifico said:
WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.
Sony being loyal to it's customers??? Pftt are you kidding me still I'll give this console a chance in a couple of years when the work the problems.

Crono1973 said:
I am curious why people think PSN games should work on the PS4 but not physical games, they both use the cell.
It's not the cell that would be the main problem it's the root key/encryption key that is being completely changed. If i recall there was certain leak a few years back that opened the ps3 up for homebrew/modding and ability to play back-ups. Sony could not change this in the ps3 or psp/vita because it would render all previous software useless much like they are doing with the ps4.
I seem to remember them saying in the conference or in the after-interviews that there are legitimate coding reasons that makes it impossible to just drag and drop PS3 games into the PS4, which couldn't come without building in an emulator (which would increase development costs) or changing the original code structure (which will take time). As far as the information I've seen, unless the game devs made the effort to re-code to the new console, the games formerly on the PSN would be unavailable on the PS4. I don't think it's worth getting upset for until they start selling the same thing we've already purchased. If that game isn't for sale at all through this medium, it's an unfortunate miss for library transfer, but not something that's inherently greedy/short-sighted.

OT: I don't get the hate that comes across for the PS4. While people's concerns or expectations can always be discussed, the pure amount of "WORST EVAR" discussions are shameful to the gaming community and shows exactly why developers do what they do. In Jim's video, he talks about how it's more of the same from the game's industry (pre-hype, announcement announcements, etc.) However, these practices aren't around because company's love spending time/energy/resources to give you vague information.

The fact is that teaser trailers, pre-release hype, and the early dispersal of information are eaten up by the consumer. These marketing tactics are employed across the corporate landscape. Why? The internet. The biggest hurdle businesses face is getting their name out there. How can a consumer shop at your store or pay for your products when they don't know you exist? Even when speaking about a console in a negative light, you serve to spread awareness of the PS4's existence and features. By not revealing details in full, Sony has ensured that the internet machine will be abuzz with discussion on its device. People's overwhelming desire to speculate, quantify, and share their opinions is doing all their marketing for them at very little cost.

This internet machine not only helps to build awareness, but also serves to push product. Generally speaking in regards to how our psyches work, the more people are exposed to something, the more favorably they will perceive it. In psychology, this is known as the mere-exposure effect. This is not without it's potential downfalls for a company, as they do run the risk of over-exposure. But, despite the fact that we're all talking about it, Sony doesn't seem to be PUSHING marketing on me (at least not yet, in comparison to movie companies). I watched the conference because I was interested, not because they took out ad-space prior to my favorite video series to berate me about the PS4.

Also, providing an extremely antagonizing opinion allows an avenue for the people who viewed the product as moderate or favorable to dissent to your opinion. At the end of the day, polarization can be a solid business move. 10 consumers who are completely committed to your brand (fan boys, as the gaming community would call them) are arguably more valuable than 20 people who aren't. Look at Apple. You can't tell me that they don't survive/thrive with their fan-boys. My roommate will literally buy whatever gadget comes out with Apple's logo on it (whether or not he needs it or if there are better devices out there). It's not limited to physical product, either. Fox News is another example. They've polarized their audience against any other sources of information, thus holding a monopoly on a core audience's ad revenue power.

Do you demand that companies start giving you more information that's concrete over what we get now? Stop being that kind of consumer. Stop letting it work for them. Nobody's forcing you to watch the conference. Nobody's forcing you to post the 900th message to the forums on the subject. Most importantly, nobody's forcing you to buy the thing. Why do you hate something that, unless you decide to buy it, has absolutely NO IMPACT on your life? When you do these things as a consumer, you only serve to feed the beast.

/micdrop
Well that could be the reason as well but I really do think the fully leak of the zero encryption key and root key is one of reasons why Sony is changing their format. I do agree the platform needs easier access to make games for "this is what killed the Saturn outside of japan after all", however you still would think they would invest in some kind of emulator to play older games. Speaking of which whatever happened to the ps2 emulator that Sony patented back in 09 for all ps3 systems?

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-emotion-engine-emulation-technology-for-cell-processors/

Anoni Mus said:
When they inovate and make some good games, they don't sell. Look at Mirror's Edge.

Though I think you're late, last generation was already stagnating, they had new IP's but not new ideas. Except Portal, Portal rocks.
The gaming industry is becoming like most other media outlets now. They don't want to take to many risk and only pander to the majority that helps make them profit. Why do you think we get so many squeals, spin-off's or reboots instead of new ip's?? It's a huge risk to push a new IP in this day and age when you can guarantee that a final fantasy or call of duty game will sell at least million copies.
 

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That emulator is used but it's really buggy. I tried to play some games and some worked, some didn't and some worked with issues. My best bug was teleport in Black . You and enemies would, on some levels, randomly teleport for some 10 meters in random direcion. Makes game so unpredictable :D
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

The PlayStation 4 was announced last week, but Sterling wasn't quite feeling the buzz.

Watch Video
I still believe that we will see more "new" at E3. New IPs, new games, new ideas. This was basically just a showcase of what the PS4 has in its guts and what they wish to accomplish with this generation.

Zeles said:
Wait wait wait wait wait...

A new Infamous? Really? The second one had such a great conclusion! Unless Cole isn't the protagonist this time, I don't think this is going to work out too well.
From what it seems: New Guy. Second Son with explosive(?) abilities.
 

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
purifico said:
WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.

The PS3 PSN games are coded to run on PS3 hardware not PS4 so the only way to get PS3 games to run on the PS4 is to port everygame first! there is no other way apart from streaming like how onlive works.
Now, maybe you'd want to do some research first - a software virtualization layer or a compatibility layer is exactly what you're saying is impossible to do. Furthermore, it can't be impossible to begin with, since the PS4 can already stream older titles and if you think they've set up a rows and rows of Playstations to do that, you're mistaken - they must use some sort of virtualization to provide the service. They've got a big beefy machine that runs games as separate instances and sends out the data over the Internet.

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It's the exact same thing Apple did when the mac's went from POWER (Cell is a POWER based CPU) to x86 and they told there customers if they wanted new software they needed a nex $1000+ Mac.
That's Apple being Apple, though. Also, if I recall correctly they already have a virtualization layer built into OS X (maybe newer versions after they've moved on x86) that handles older applications.

l3o2828 said:
Wait, am i reading this wrong or on the video it says GARME JOURNALIZM isnstead of GAME?
It alyas said GARME. Dunno, why, though - I figured it was some reference or joke I wasn't into (maybe something Destructoid related?) but didn't really go out of my way to look into it. If you figure something out or if anybody else has an idea, can you share?
 

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What has to happen to stop the madness? Does the industry have to crash again?

There's a topic I'd like to see addressed: This whole "pre-order this game to get this feature" thing, and then you get it if you buy the game new anyway. Saw this with Rage, Spec Ops, Black Ops 2, Crysis 3...
 

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Someone actually threatened you over David Cage comments?

Damn I thought even Cage fans realized that he was just full of crazy bullshit, that's why a lot of people like his work even, certainly why I do.
 

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To be fair I think he meant getting over the uncanny valley I regards to graphics
 

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Yeah... no. I saw a Sony that was learning from their previous screw ups.

You thought you had something profound to say, but all I heard was a load of pretentious paranoia.
Jim, I am disappointed. Escapist, I am disappointed.


Thank god... for TotalBiscuit.

Someone who is actually level headed, and doesn't take his anger over Aliens: Colonial Marines out on everything else.
 

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No backwards compatibility with PS3 games? Fuck you, Sony. Why do have to be this way? I guess that's slightly better than them deciding to be pricks and taking it out halfway, which then leads to about ten different models of the same fucking system, confusing customers as to which has the ability to play PS2 games. That's not such a huge deal, I just don't understand WHY the new systems can't play old games.

Also, I'm tired of social media bullshit being forced on me when I'm playing a game. It's bad enough that when I log in to play Metal Gear Rising, I get about seven requests to play Halo; I don't need people asking me to take over their avatar to get them past certain spots or whatever. All of the things you can do are impressive, I just don't care.

In fact, demanding that I play online, always connected all the time, is actually like asking me to be anti-social. I like to play games with my friends in the same room. Not from my house to theirs. I just... I miss the days when you would go out and purchase a new game no one else has, take that game to a friend's house, and then invite more people over so you could all stay up all night having fun.

But Sony doesn't want that anymore, nor for that matter does any other publisher. This industry would rather us all be physically isolated, because how else are they supposed to sell extra copies? Those friends I mentioned should have copies of their own if they want to play it (pre-ordered months/years in advanced, of course), then they need to input an online pass for it to work online, and they better not have traded in games to get it, because fuck you, video games are a luxury and if they're too expensive for you to get without contributing to the used game market, well then you need to just not buy it. You aren't the kind of customer they want.

I'm just so tired of an industry that demands all of those things from it's customers and then still shits on them. I'm even more tired of those very customers (whose ears are getting pissed into without the industry even having the decency to try and convince them that it's raining) defending and supporting what goes on, because fuck you, companies exist to make money.
 

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No backwards compatibility with PS3 games? Fuck you, Sony. Why do have to be this way? I guess that's slightly better than them deciding to be pricks and taking it out halfway, which then leads to about ten different models of the same fucking system, confusing customers as to which has the ability to play PS2 games. That's not such a huge deal, I just don't understand WHY the new systems can't play old games.
It's because the new PS4 has a different type of CPU than the PS3. That means that coding games is very different so games need to be translated somehow to work.

They have 3 options.

1) Hardware emulation, where they put a PS3 processor in the PS4 which will probably make the PS4 significantly more expensive.

2) Software emulation, where they make an emulator program and then work to make games compatible, which will probably give huge developer costs and result in buggy or no emulation for games that weren't that popular. I'm not even sure the ps4 can do ps3 software emulation at all.

3) no emulation, and save themselves money so they can get a profit on the PS4 sooner.

Sony isn't exactly in the best spot right now financially and the backwards compatibility was a huge reason why early PS3's were so expensive and didn't sell that well (along with using an unconventional processor that no developer wanted to code for). I can see why they'd be more careful with their money.
 

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I've said this before elsewhere, but I can't jump on the backwards compatibility wagon with everyone else. The problem with trying to make backwards compatibility possible with the PS3 is that the only feasible option would be to include a hardware solution. That did not work well at all with the PS3 launch since it jacked up the cost of the ps3 to well over the budget of most ps2 owners, and it would be the same issue with the ps4. If they tried going the software route, the games would run way too slow to be enjoyable unless it's ps2 or older, in which case just putting PCSX2 on the console would suffice.

As for this episode of the Jimquisition, I think he is pretty spot on with the state of the gaming industry. I looked back at the previous launch titles and the ones coming out with the PS4 are as generic as can be. The console itself is actually a pretty good piece of hardware and I'm glad they are moving away from IBM's cell architecture. That being said, this is largely meaningless to most consumers since the average person is mostly concerned if the console runs and has games worth playing: The point Jim was making in his video.
 

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Assuming the Xbox 3 announcement event ends up like the PS4 one, I feel like these anti-consumer policies are forcing me onto the PC platform. I don't want a media box, I don't want social integration, I don't want kinect or move or waggle remotes - I want to play games without a hastle, and between the beginning of last generation and now there's been a complete 180 on which platforms make you go through a hassle.
So much this. My Girlfriend will so kill me because we so don't have any space in our one bedroom apartment for a gaming PC.. but like fuck facebook on my console.

Xbox live are really me off with their bullshit and I was seriously thinking to switch over to Sony this generation but now?

I really don't know....

I'm not a Valve junkie but..Steambox?
 

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I don't think Sony is the one to blame for the lack of a fresh approach, as Jim put it. Sony is first and foremost a hardware manufacturer, so naturally you will see an emphasis on hardware in their own event. What did you expect, a launch lineup composed entirely of new IP's? As romantic as that sounds, it's a scenario that probably belongs in a parallel universe.

Don't give up hope. New ideas will come, and new IP's will be developed, as they always have. Their "birth" is just usually a bit... temperamental. It requires a certain amount of faith (or madness if you prefer) on behalf of publishers to greenlight something new and targetted at a "core" demographic, while fully backing it up. It's rare, but it still happens. The most recent example of that would be Dishonored, a game that can surely be considered a niche title, compared to what sells these days, backed up by a shit ton of marketing. They gambled, and from what I know, it paid off. There's more where that came from, as long as we, the consumers, continue to support new games that are actually good.
 

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Well Jim, if that guy does come 'round to "fuck you up" make sure you lift his drivers license and then you can post up his address. We'll get a small group together, say 100 or so and picket his house for a week.
 

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It's true. All of it. They shouldn't go into a new generation without something actually new on offer. I just think they felt they needed to do this prior to E3 since MS is planning a big E3 reveal. It was just not a good show. They talked about features that a lot of people don't care about. I'll say this though, the social features are probably not for us. ENB (Epic Name Bro) did a youtube video about the features. As it turns out, social features that show actualy people with actual names is pretty damn new to Japan. It was a cultural taboo for a while. He thinks the social features are aimed towards the Japanese audience, who are behind on social networking, so to speak. Interesting stuff.
 

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Anoni Mus said:
When they inovate and make some good games, they don't sell. Look at Mirror's Edge.
2 million copies isn't "selling"?

If that's the case, maybe the games industry should invest in technology to reduce development costs instead of increasing game appeal.
 

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Is it just me or do i notice Jim becoming more and more cynical about this Stuff? Its just like his Love for this Medium has been ckoked to death by the cold hands, nay, tentacles of the industry.

He's right of course, the Industry is on its way to a new Crash and i'm at a point where i'd welcome it.

As of now, i can honestly the entire Industry is at fault; Certain Companies pushing me into a direction where i suspect some attempt to wring more money out of me behind every new Idea (and being right most of the time) and then there are the few nice People who honestly want to sell me their work which they did with love for the medium.
To those (both of you!) i say: Leave the Industry, come back later when at least some of those Companies that would twist any new Idea of yours into a new money grabbing scheme have died.
As of now, any love brought into the medium will merely prolong the existence of those who would steal it and twist it.
 

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New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

The PlayStation 4 was announced last week, but Sterling wasn't quite feeling the buzz.

Watch Video
Perfectly said how I was feeling, there was just so much more excitement and wonder around the release of the 360, PS3, and Wii, but the WiiU, and PS4 so far have just been meh
 

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This ain't a new generation, justa facelift.
So just like every other generation.
I'd say it's more just like the current generation. I just finished watching the video, and my impression was while the big guys have found a whole lot of new types of bullshit to dump on us, what Jim's saying here is pretty much the exact impression I got going into the PS3/360 generation. Same basic games, better graphics. And this was not the case with previous generation jumps. From 8-bit to 16-bit to CD to DVD, each time a new console came out new types of games and genres came with it (a new controller as well for that matter).

My basic guidelines for to measure a new generation of games on is "could you have made this next gen game for a last gen console with lesser graphics". Because of this I was never impressed with the PS3/360, and it looks like things aren't going to be much better for the PS4/whatever.

One more thing to illustrate this, just look at The Elder Scroll series. Look at the jump we got from Daggerfall to Morrowind. Then look at the complete sidestep from Morrowind to Oblivion. With mods you can now bring the PC version of Morrowind's graphics up to par with Oblivion, and you have something that may as well have been made on the same console.
 

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Man Jim is getting cynical lately...seems like a bit of his Aliens angst is seeping through.

Although...despite the fact I dont really care about consoles or this new generation, the introduction of new features into the PS4 like the social aspects do interest me. Seeing those appear will be fun to watch, since if they do become actually popular, they may be included in Steam which I do use.
 

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I'll just say that, if Sony wanted to sell me on a PS4, they did a very bad job.

Then again, the lack OF a PS4 at a PS4 reveal didn't help matters any.
 

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when the COD franchise stops breaking sales records year after year, I think the games industry can manage a new golden age for gaming.

To have 2007 all over again ^^
Who keeps buying them? I remember the original Modern Warfare being good, a mate of mine was playing it constantly around 2008. However after that, it all got a bit samey. Just what kinds of people do these games cater to and why are there so many of them?
 

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With regards to consoles, I've just never cared for:-
a) the initial price - considering what they are and what they can do
b) the very limited amount of games available to each particular platform. Though I understand the motives behind the licensing system form a marketing viewpoint, it still comes across as pretty obnoxious. Case in point, 'Journey'. Having that as a PS3 exclusive when it could have sold better on PC just infuriates.
c) the rigidity and inflexibility of the technology. This ties in with point b), but is expanded when you consider 'backwards compatibility'. Someone earlier brilliantly pointed out the kind of firestorm that would erupt in the PC world were Steam to inflict similar restrictions and limitations. A PC (or laptop) is a PC is a PC. I'm using an HP now, but I used to have an Acer. The only thing that limits you is internal specs.
I understand perfectly well that consoles are designed for games and games alone. Thus, in theory, they will be effective and efficient in a way that PC's can't hope to emulate. Yet, this advantage, time and time again has been thrown away by bad marketing, sloppy design, and just a little too much hubris.
 

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WHAT?! Do you truly mean to say that I won't be able to play the PSN games I've already bought on PS4? I can understand it not being able to play physical copies, but digital as well? WHAT THE FUCK, SONY?! Have some fucking respect for you loyal customers, you fucking assholes.
Apologies but im going to call this rote bullshit right now.

Lets start with a little lessons in what kinds of processor we've used.
PS1 mbit
PS2 mbit
PS3 POWER
PS4 X86

Now what can you see?

Correct! the PS1 and PS2 use the same processor architecture allowing for backward compatibility. The PS3 (60gb release model) had a PS2 mbit chip installed to allow backward compatibility through hardware emulation and well... look how much that cost.

Next. Do games on disks and downloaded games get programmed differently?
Thought so. They do not. Ergo the PS4 cannot run PS3 games from the PSN without either software or hardware emulation. Software emulation is glitchy at best and im not sure an X86 could even emulate a POWER processor as one is Lttle Endian and one is Big Endian. So the PS4 needs a POWER architecture processor like CELL to be able to run ANYTHING from the PS3.

Well unless they reprogram everything made for the PS3 to be compatible with the new architecture.

I'm flabbergasted by how dumb people can be I really am. For example, Jim why the flying dickbats would you say 'Oh disk backward compatibility I understand but locking people out of downloadable games is wrong' When you obviously lack any basic understanding of computer hardware and programming.

I'l spell it out for you if that'l help.

PEOPLE DON'T PROGRAM DIGITAL DOWNLOADS AND DISK GAMES SEPARATELY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE METHOD OF STORAGE!

Ive been a fan of your show through every episode until now but please don't talk about hardware again because it makes me want to cut open my chest and eat my insides with a lump of granite.
 

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Get me a version of Greenlight for the PS4 and I just might get one, It's the stagnation of AAA games that is mostly turning me off the gen consoles.
instead you can play many titles such as "indie retro throwback" or "indie artsy wankfest"
 

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I am interested in the PS4 console but I agree with Jim on this one. Everything in the announcement meant to build hype felt shallow, empty, and meaningless. I would've been more impressed if Sony showed the PS4 playing a PS3 game than showing off eye candy that discerning gamers are quickly becoming distrustful of.
 

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As a note Jim. Attacking people you disagree with as "Mental Subnormals" is a vile and fallacious argument which undermines your entire episode in the eyes of ANYONE with any knowledge of rhetoric, logic and argumentation.

But since as I pointed out above you know nothing about how hardware works and yet still make dumb statements about backward compatibility I think you will probably ignore me and sink further into the mire of dumb bile that Colonial Marines seems to have dragged you into.

Although I agree with you on the subject of David Cage and the guy who threatened you was a dullard and a fool.
 

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The most shocking part of that whole video? That someone out there isn't aware how full of shit David Cage is, and defended him. Fahrenheit was an alright game, Heavy Rain was overhyped shit, and Beyond: Two Souls looks to be relying heavily on the involvement of Ellen Page. You may not agree with me on these, but one thing remains constant: David Cage is a lying windbag.
 

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The most shocking part of that whole video? That someone out there isn't aware how full of shit David Cage is, and defended him. Fahrenheit was an alright game, Heavy Rain was overhyped shit, and Beyond: Two Souls looks to be relying heavily on the involvement of Ellen Page. You may not agree with me on these, but one thing remains constant: David Cage is a lying windbag.
I'm sure the guy genuinely wants to make great narrative games, but wanting it and doing it are unfortunately two very different things. And some game developers, like David Cage, need to stop confusing what's in their head to what's actually on screen.
 

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Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

I'm crying with laughter.

I was actually quite excited by the announcement, I mean, why the hell are people pissed off?

Sony is trying to sell a product, how dare they?, the fucking nerve.
 

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Oh boy, am I glad to be part of the master race.

But man, that David Cage guy sure knows what's what.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/l531ei
(From the twitter desk of Mr. James Sterling, Esq.)
 

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Well, not all has to ber thrown out and changed. there is space for new ips as well as old ones. the new oens will come whne its time is here. the most important thing is that the architecture to develop for sony is finally a workable one and as such we will see much more risky games becuase they will need to throw less money to make the same. not to mention not needing to work around horrendeous ram limitations of PS3.

If anything PS4 proves that consoles wont be obsolete yet.

you know those graphics aliens fiaeld to deliver? cause the consoles couldnt run it. now it can, so if they were developing for PS4 instead, they wouldnt have neeeded to lie. so there.

lack of backward compactability is a no brainer. have a shitty structure or no compactability? of course no compactability for sihtty structure based games(not shitty games, just developed for crap hardware).

Digital content i agree with you.

and yep, the gaming community is who allows this to happen. and we will continue to, because the average gamer doesnt care.
 

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I'll fuck you up jim



Sorry, couldn't resist. I would do you though; you can even be top.

I really think it's amazing how far everyone is coming to the same epiphany that I had many years ago but... I mean you're all aware that dirty business etcetera is a problem endemic in current western culture and not just the gaming industry... right?

Let me hunt out my cyber punk copypasta

I can't help but laugh a little bit when I hear people talking about how cyberpunk died in the 90s.

Nearly every large metropolis now has its own second life of location-based game layers; whole buildings are wrapped in screens. There are ads for video games on video billboards, and ads on billboards inside of video games ? sometimes even ads for other video games.Virtual Graffiti is overlaid on the environment by portable computers. Anarchists and revolutionaries organize via encrypted virtual networks, And, really, anyone with the know-how can buy designer drugs or refined plutonium on secret websites using an experimental decentralized online currency.

Teenagers with smart phones wander the streets, wearing on them computers rivalling the most powerful consumer models from a decade ago. These youths wander around, compromising networks discretely from their phones, wreaking havoc and making a killing for themselves scanning other people's RFID Embedded credit cards and dumping the funds through multiple online bank accounts, while corporate executives plan the overthrow of state governments, with fascism creeping into politics and unmanned robots hovering in the skies. The hobos wander the rail tracks with backpacks full of movies and a laptop. New Eyeglasses allow seamless integration of life with the network and cyberspace

Police have come to fear the technology of protestors they suppress. Three letter government agencies plot increasingly intricate ways to monitor the population, from unmanned drones to city-wide CCTV installation to the questionably legal hacking of private CCTV networks and the use of facial recognition databanks to track people everywhere they go in the physical world while projects like Trapwire monitor everything they do online. New Brain-machine interfaces allow sensitive information like bank account and PIN numbers to be extracted form a person's brain involuntarily.

In the midst of the surveillance state, society begins to stagnate and the gap between the economic and political elites and the city-dwelling lower class widens into a gaping chasm. Hackers and whistleblowers risk life and limb to expose the activities of the surveillance state and expose the dangers of the powerful multinational corporations, travelling from hovel to hovel with backpacks full of high tech equipment just one step ahead of the authorities they oppose.

Once straight-edge white-collar tech workers go rogue, moonlighting as vigilantes of the information age, breaking into secure stores of information to free knowledge and give it to the public, facing the kind of persecution and threats which can drive men to choose death over the suffering.

Urban decay sets in over the cities of the west while in the east vast towering metropolises of Neon, LEDs and lasers fill the night sky with an arcade-scheme of lights and flashing images while on a cloudy night over New york city, the light pollution from skyscrapers that make mockery of the tower of Babel turn the sky the color of an old television set tuned to a dead channel.

Cyberpunk didn't die, it became reality. And now we all live in a bizarre warpath between an Orwellian and Huxleian dystopic future society where corporations are willing to kill thousands of brown people to sell YOU some Coca Cola?. That's what a monoculture is. It's everywhere, and it's all the same. And it takes up alien cultures and digests them and shits them out in a homogeneous building-block shape that fits seamlessly into the vast blank wall of the monoculture. This is the future. This is what we built. This is what we wanted. It must have been. Because we all had the fucking choice, didn't we? It is only our money that allows commercial culture to flower. If we didn't want to live like this, we could have changed it any time, by not fucking paying for it. So let's celebrate by all going out and buying the same burger.

As for me, PC master race. Playing crazy japanese VNs

Hearts and kisses Jim.
 

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Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers ***** about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?
Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.
 

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With all due respect, and you do have your reasons Jim, but graphics are essential to a new generation, simply because it's evident representation of a console's power, a great PC can run games with great graphics without damaging the entertainment per se, same goes for consoles. But I do agree that the graphics shown were either very much alike what we already have or pretty untrustworthy, I just can't believe that Capcom game is gameplay graphics, it might be NOW, while it's running incomplete, but will it remain the same when the whole game goes for the PS4? I feel strange about it because the very gameplay seemed too much like a video and not really a game.

I'm looking forward to Metal Gear Solid 5 (if that's the name it gets) and Watch Dogs. But I wanna see what MS brings to the table first. Xbox 360 had the original Mass Effect as an exclusive, and Bioshock was exclusive as well for almost an year, I'm not the waiting type, those were the games that earned my MS loyalty in the last gen (later on I bought a PS3 to play the rest of the exclusives), thus, like someone else said, "the line up makes the console".
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers ***** about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?
Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.
True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers ***** about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?
Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.
Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.

OT:The thing that tires me out most about this new console unveiling is that no one really seems to be talking about games, anymore. It's all about how powerful the tech is and what we could --conceivably-- do with it, or about the new features that have been built in to connect with social media; all of that should come after we're shown all the great new games we'll be playing, not a couple of tech demos and a predictable parade of four or five of the same old stalking horses.

Someone said earlier in the thread that, as part of the older gamer generation, it's hard to generate the same kind of excitement when you've seen so many new consoles come and go already, and I think there's definitely truth in that, but I think there's also an element of I've seen developers spin this kind of bullshit enough times now to know when I'm being sold a pack of half-truths and promises they'll never, ever come through on.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers ***** about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?
bug_of_war said:
Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.
Milanezi said:
True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.
Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.
 

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Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.
I see your point, but I disagree, at least in the sense of non backwards compatability with discs (digital buys from the PSN should carry over immedietly). but they haven't and may take longer to come if at all. We shouldn't be angry at this though, sometimes we gotta move on, and video games aren't as big an investment as a new house and furniture. Looking at the film and music situation, as in the conversion from VHS-DVD-BluRay and Vinyl-Cassette-CD, I'd say that video games are just following the trend of digital art. Sure you can still get most songs and films easier than games, but that is not a bad thing, just look at Nintendo and how people are begining to groan because "Hey guys we've just started development on New NEW Super Mario Land 1 month after NEW Super Mario Land". It's fine to want to play old games, I think everybody should be able to pick up an old classic, and you can mostly still do that by holding onto your old harware. A friend of mine just recently bought himself a PS3 and 20 games for under 400 dollars, some of these games were as old as the console itself, but he still got the games and they worked.
 

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True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.
Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.[/quote]

I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.

I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it
 

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Milanezi said:
True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.
Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.
I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.

I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it
 

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So, I want to read something here really quickly. Bear with me.

There were several reasons for the crash, but the main cause was supersaturation of the market with hundreds of mostly low-quality games which resulted in the loss of consumer confidence. The full effects of the industry crash would not be felt until 1985...

A core cause of the crash was two high-profile titles for the Atari 2600 that were failures. In 1982, Atari attempted to take advantage of the craze following the arcade game Pac-Man by releasing a version for the Atari 2600. However, development was rushed so as to have the game out in time for the 1982 Christmas season. Although the game managed to sell well in terms of absolute numbers, Atari had grossly overestimated the number of sales it would generate. Critics and gamers universally panned the game as being nothing like the lively, colorful original. In the end, Atari only sold a little over half the number of cartridges it produced. Production cost overruns combined with the costs incurred with a big marketing campaign for the game resulted in huge losses for Atari.

Atari also issued its widely advertised E.T. game. Once again, it manufactured millions of units in anticipation of a major hit. Concerned about making the Christmas season, Atari again rushed the game to market quickly, after a mere six weeks of development time. The end result is widely considered to be one of the worst video games ever. To clear their inventory, Atari eventually ended up burying the unsold copies in a landfill in New Mexico. Combined with the high costs for the movie license, E.T. became another financial failure for Atari. Atari was sold two years later as the crash impacted upon the industry.
This was from the Wikipedia entry on the North American Video Game Crash of 1983. You know, the one that made us forget Atari existed.

There were a couple other factors in play, such as console saturation, but an overall decline of quality, diminishing quality of games, and lack of faith in publishers seems to be eerily similar to the state of the industry today.

Jim's not kidding when he says that this very well could be the last generation. I mean, it already happened.

Fortunately, even if PSN and XBL go down, I'm sure that my copy of Fallout 3 on my 360 and the Touhou and Surgeon Simulator 2013 games I have on my computer will still work, so I'm fully prepared to see the servers go down.
 

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I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.
I agree, I frequently find myself trading in games at EB every 6 months or so, and I too only really hold onto the games that I feel I can always jump back into whenever I want. Good example of this is the fact that I still own Skate 3, Mirrors Edge, Resident Evil 5, Resident Evil 4, etc etc. I disagree in the idea of not buying a game unless you're going to play it forever though. If I see a game that looks interesting I will generally consider buying it regardless of it's longevity. I really enjoyed Resident Evil 6 believe it or not, and while I am unsure if it will be traded away with games such as Far Cry 3 I don't regret buying any of them.

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I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it
I REALLY liked AC3 as well, but I'm kinda torn in the sense that I don't wanna see Connor become stale like Ezio in AC:R, but I do feel like he could definately pull off one more game. Ubisoft has crushed the idea of a sequel though, they've stated they're moving on so meh. I get what you're saying, you were unable to divide your time between life and game time and that's resulted in you not exactly fully enjoying all the games you've purchased, but my answer to that is to pace yourself. Over christmas I ended up getting somethng like 6 games all at once, two handheld, 4 Xbox, and while it was the holidays it was still quite a fair bit of gaming hours. Instead of diving into all of them at once, I focused entirely on one game at a time. I get that with games like Far Cry 3 and Borderlands 2 there are points in which the game gets stale or repetetive (more so FC3 than B2), but in the end I guess it's just a matter of figuring out how to get through it. I found that if I got bored in FC3 I would just do the main missions as it would get the game over and done with, while with Borderlands I changed from Zer0 to Axton because I found the play style of the character didn't suit how I liked playing. As for Max Payne 3, you will enjoy the hell out of it, started off a little slow for my liking, but boy does that game kickass after the first act.
 

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I HAVE AN EXPLANATION!:

The PS3 didn't do well. It was last in the console race.
Only an idiot would say that financially, now is the time for risks.
If it's one thing sony doesn't want. It's another high tech, high price console that only scrapes by meagerly.
 

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It's been the same old tactics and same old games for awhile now, and I think the price of super graphics is to blame. I really haven't wanted any games desperately since... whenever, except classic games.
 

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Jim and 90% of the bootlickers in this thread need to quit gaming. If you are that unhappy and unimpressed, reroll another hobby or career.

Oh, and if you have to warn people of the so-called legions of Sony fans you're intentionally trying to piss off, you're clearly a troll. The entire video was a plea to get the masses on N4G to show up and drop a comment. Why? This show is running on fumes. It's only good when you're dogging EA or some other company that shat on your pillow.

"I'm not singling out Sony"...haha. *goes back to check for the "I'm tire of this shit" video from the WiiU reveal that doesn't exist* *patiently waits for the "I'm tired of this shit" Jimquisition after the 720 that will probably focus on how tired of Sony's bullshit Jim is.

So Sony's new racing game is PS4's version of a game that is Xbox's version of Gran Turismo?

This whole video is laced with bait...
 

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I remember my first PS1 and PS2. The graphics were WOW, just seeing the trex/mantaray demos were amazing to me. Battle Arena Toshinden & Destruction Derby were major changes in gaming and graphics. Now i think after the PS3 and 360 - graphics and throwing polygons around the screen no longer impress us. We can tell what is fluff and what is new, and now we just want games that make us wow. New ip. Not just another shiny version of games we have already played. Im sure some people want all that social crap, but you sell a console by games. Except there doesnt seem to be any on the PS4 at the moment. An if there is nothing to wow me then i will just keep playing my 360/ps3 until games are released that i need to play.

Though, im sure they are gonna do big things at E3. Maybe they made a crappy event just so we will have a low expectation of PS4/Sony at the E3? lol.
 

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Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.
I see your point, but I disagree, at least in the sense of non backwards compatability with discs (digital buys from the PSN should carry over immedietly). but they haven't and may take longer to come if at all. We shouldn't be angry at this though, sometimes we gotta move on, and video games aren't as big an investment as a new house and furniture. Looking at the film and music situation, as in the conversion from VHS-DVD-BluRay and Vinyl-Cassette-CD, I'd say that video games are just following the trend of digital art. Sure you can still get most songs and films easier than games, but that is not a bad thing, just look at Nintendo and how people are begining to groan because "Hey guys we've just started development on New NEW Super Mario Land 1 month after NEW Super Mario Land". It's fine to want to play old games, I think everybody should be able to pick up an old classic, and you can mostly still do that by holding onto your old harware. A friend of mine just recently bought himself a PS3 and 20 games for under 400 dollars, some of these games were as old as the console itself, but he still got the games and they worked.
I agree that backwards compatibility for discs isn't a huge issue, (one of life's greatest pleasures, to me, is digging out an old console and reminiscing for a while,) but with digital downloads they really have no excuse. I would like the option to play my old discs on the new hardware, but at least the reasons for that not being possible are justified, and the only real difference it makes, to me, is that I won't be upgrading to the new console immediately.

You're comparison with VHS-DVD-BluRay is completely justified, but where video games differ is I can't buy the same old games I love for a new console like I could with buying songs off the Apple Store or buying films on Blu-Ray, and I can still integrate my old collections of film and music into new media (DVD's play in Blu-Ray players; I can rip CD's and put them on my iPod). Hell, there are even programs to rip vinyl onto computers now, and I can transfer VHS's onto the computer, likewise, then burn them to DVD's.

Video games are really the only format that completely locks out old iterations and people seem to be alright with it, which made sense in the cartridge days when technology meant cartridges were getting smaller and smaller, but with the transition to discs that excuse is less valid and with digital content there is no reason they couldn't make it work.

I completely get where you are coming from in terms of moving on instead of constantly harping back, but in this case I feel that it's akin to throwing your copy of Batman Returns in the bin because The Dark Knight exists, now. You can embrace new ideas without completely abandoning the old ones.
 

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Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

I'm crying with laughter.

I was actually quite excited by the announcement, I mean, why the hell are people pissed off?

Sony is trying to sell a product, how dare they?, the fucking nerve.
After the debacle that was Aliens: Colonial Marines, people have finally taken to heart that everything that gets shown to them deserves criticism. Whether or not said criticism is actually fair will vary from person to person, but for me - nothing less than showing me the system, putting the game in and playing it will earn my trust. That's what it has come to.

Furthermore, I don't blame people who have criticism over the PS4. Opinions such as Jim's are to be expected. Look at what has happened up to this point:

1) Mass Effect story writer's outright lie about how they were going to end the series
2) Diablo 3's piss poor launch, not to mention the actual game itself
3) Afore mentioned A:CM debacle and being conned into a game that should've been an awesome entry for the franchise
4) The WarZ fiasco (seriously, how the hell is Sergey Titov still relevant in this industry?)

And more can be added to this, I'm sure.

Bottom line is: many people don't trust anyone in the gaming industry at this point. That's how videos, like the one I posted, make such a mark. The comedy is that that was an effective, and mostly truthful, evaluation of the whole event. Something the gaming industry obviously lacks the vision to perceive.
 

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I HAVE AN EXPLANATION!:

The PS3 didn't do well. It was last in the console race.
Only an idiot would say that financially, now is the time for risks.
If it's one thing sony doesn't want. It's another high tech, high price console that only scrapes by meagerly.
So why have they created exactly that?
Why, if money is so tight, have they made another console that they're going to be selling at a loss while trying to make it up in unit sales for the five or six games they'll have available at launch?
If Sony really didn't want a repeat of the PS3, then they wouldn't have gone ahead and made the exact same console with more powerful tech.

Sony are just another prime example of a market that has almost completely stopped listening to the consumer and instead tried to latch onto every fad that's going in the hope of fooling people long enough to get their money, as opposed to the old fashioned method of knuckling down and making the games that used to make console gaming worthwhile.
 

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I'd say it's more just like the current generation. I just finished watching the video, and my impression was while the big guys have found a whole lot of new types of bullshit to dump on us, what Jim's saying here is pretty much the exact impression I got going into the PS3/360 generation. Same basic games, better graphics. And this was not the case with previous generation jumps. From 8-bit to 16-bit to CD to DVD, each time a new console came out new types of games and genres came with it (a new controller as well for that matter).

My basic guidelines for to measure a new generation of games on is "could you have made this next gen game for a last gen console with lesser graphics". Because of this I was never impressed with the PS3/360, and it looks like things aren't going to be much better for the PS4/whatever.

One more thing to illustrate this, just look at The Elder Scroll series. Look at the jump we got from Daggerfall to Morrowind. Then look at the complete sidestep from Morrowind to Oblivion. With mods you can now bring the PC version of Morrowind's graphics up to par with Oblivion, and you have something that may as well have been made on the same console.
The start of every generation is just like the previous one. Sure sometimes we get a different controller or storage device but that rarely ever changes the early games that come out. Having cross platform games blurs that line even more with the staggered release of consoles from developers.

Even the 8-bit to 16-bit or CD to DVD didnt bring about many changes other then allowing for better graphics.
 

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Most PC's don't have a GTX 670, 12 GB's of RAM and a quad core. Was the point of this post to brag about YOUR specs?
40% of PC gamers on Steam has a quadcore. They are A LOT and they are probably the most active part of the Steam player base. They are going to be more by the end of the year. Probably more than people with 2 core PCs (wich are 48% of the Steam player base).

Anyway for a PC gamer, an upgrade to the PC like mine for the GPU and RAM to a 3/4 year old CPU cost as much as a PS4 (if the rumors are to be believed). In 6 months, it will cost less. And the software (games) costs less too.

So the point of my post is pretty simple and I'm not bragging about my specs. A PC can change with relative ease: in 6 months most gaming PCs could be upgraded to perform equally or better than any "next-gen" console and you can save the cost thanks to Steam sales or other similar services.

So, your "most gaming PCs will perform worse than a PS4" is simply wrong, false and baseless. The point of console is not power or money. They are just more convenient for the living room and offer a different set of ergonomics.
 

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The lack of 'software' backwards compatibility, in regard to PSN purchases is, frankly, unforgivable. I have a NES, SNES, PS1, PS2slim and PS3slim here and I'm saying that. It's unforgivable. The PSN stuff has to be backwards compatible, and, if it isn't, they deserve every ounce, and more, of negativity they get in return.

I understand the lack of the hardware compatibility, the PS4 not playing PS3 discs does not bother me. I'm talking purely about the digital stuff.

I have nearing three decades worth of PC games, I've bought, that work on my current PC through one means or another - that I HAVE NOT had to repurchase in order to keep working. All working on my modern PC. This is the competition, like it or not, the PC as a gaming platform is not dying, and never has been. It's competition. Consoles, becoming ever more like PCs, have to step up - and not just the PS4. For the faults in the PS4 as we see them currently, the Wii U has many more faults, and I have NO faith that Microsoft's new XBOX, when announced, will manage any better.
 

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When I first heard about the announcement for the PS4, the first words out of my mouth were "Yay! Now the browns and greys will look even better!" I never watched the content for the new console. Heck, I didn't care. After watching this video, not only did I realize that I wasn't the only one, but other people seemed to be apathetic for similar reasons. I've been gradually moving away from the console market since it seemed like fresh ideas were only coming out for the PC with the indie market. I was hoping for interesting stuff would come out on console, but companies just seem to be pushing more of the franchises I've never played in the first place. Nor have I had any interest in playing them. I hope the industry and pull out of this funk soon, or I feel like this could spell the end (for the console market, anyways).
 

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"This generation, as long preordained and prophesied, might finally be, the last"

Thank god, thank FUCKING god. And yes, I've been saying this for years, at least since 2010 if not sooner. I didn't realize that it was such a mainstream argument though, or maybe that's a more recent thing with Sony threatening to go under and Microsoft silently falling to pieces in the last year.

My argument stems from the fact that there's basically no where for consoles to go from 7th gen. They will go into 8th gen, people will realize it's exactly the same shit, and either stick with their 7th gen console or just never show interest in a 9th. Sticking with the 7th genners means devs will smartly choose to continue to support them, which means that the 8th fails in the games department. Nintendo is the exception and might make a 9th gen console because the wii has so much room for improvement, but they alienated their core catering to a fickle casual demographic and they will be hurting 8th gen as well.

Not only is there no where for them to go technologically, but the features stepped to far into the PCs turf already. Consoles are already "PC-lite". They've backed themselves into the innovative corner where the only thing they can really do is become even more like a PC. Enter the steambox, which already is a PC and they can't hope to compete.
 

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gotta love those internet tough guys...

Hopefully things turn out well for the new console generation.
I doubt it as this generation will have things like smartphones and pads to contend with. The cost of making games on consoles has gotten insane and Extra Credits made a good argument that consoles will go the way of the video game arcade in "Consoles Are the New Coin-Op" with about two generations left before they simply cease to exist as a major player and become the modern day version of the Apple II--the undead thing that will not freaking die because of nostalgia.
 

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Jim I hear you loud and clear, but that's because I'm sitting at my absolutely silent, water cooled, 8-core processor, multi screen, surround sound monster of a desktop set up that cost me about the same as two PS3s (release price ish.) So yeah, I don't understand console culture. My four year old laptop has 9 second loading screens for Fall out NV, whereas the Xbox 360 counterpart has 30 seconds give or take. Call that petty but do a little math, that's almost a 350% improvement just from the damn memory on A LAPTOP, never mind the graphic specs. And since pretty much every game I want on those consoles is offered on steam I'm good to go. The only sticking point for me is the Wii U. I have friends (strangely enough) and the Wii U is pretty freaking awesome with friends. Other then that, yeah its just as stupid as any other console. Why bother with the consumerism when you can build a computer and buy all your favorite games from a third party (very consumer friendly) service? I don't get it.

I caught up on this show with about four episodes in a row, and through the first two I just wanted to say stop buying all this crap if it pisses you off so much (not just you, but consumers who complain about DLC and such) and then you went and said it for me. F-ing brilliant!

Seriously, buy the good stuff if you like it and it's good, and don't buy the bad stuff if it sucks and it's bad. Never buy pre-order and don't do triple A when it first comes out. It's really the bottom line. Does Jim need to remind you to breathe too?
 

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I found this interesting, and sums up my feeling on the Jimquisition in general. Nothing but half truths and all of his dtoid fans just take his word for it, instead of actually researching. He's doing this for the hits people....

"Notable industry figure Jim Sterling recently did a video on what he hated about the PlayStation Meeting. At one point, he said that he fully understood why the PS4 couldn?t play PS3 disc games because they had to move away from The Cell, but that there was ?no excuse? for why it couldn?t play PS3 PSN games. Jim, they are developed on The Cell too, they?re like disc games, but not on a disc. That?s the excuse. He then said that the PS Vita can play PS3 PSN games, so the PS4 should be able to. Nope. They have to be ported, redeveloped. And it?s easier to downscale visuals, than upscale. Come on, this is simple stuff that everyone knows, don?t say stuff like: ?The PS Vita can handle PSN content on a PS3?, unless you actually mean they bought a PS Vita game and just happened to download it to the PS3. Which you didn?t, you seem to think I can put Journey on my Vita and it?ll run fine. The cross-play titles are not the same game, Jim."

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/daily-reaction-ps4-reveal-negativity-analyzed-trolls-or-truth/

There is some truth behind the mass negativity but we are ignoring the positive. How do you criticize a company for being too samey when they have promised 2 brand new IPs in Beyond and The Last of Us as well as at least 4 during that PS4 show? Pure trolling in my opinion.
 

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FedericoV said:
Crono1973 said:
FedericoV said:
Crono1973 said:
Most PC's don't have a GTX 670, 12 GB's of RAM and a quad core. Was the point of this post to brag about YOUR specs?
40% of PC gamers on Steam has a quadcore. They are A LOT and they are probably the most active part of the Steam player base. They are going to be more by the end of the year. Probably more than people with 2 core PCs (wich are 48% of the Steam player base).

Anyway for a PC gamer, an upgrade to the PC like mine for the GPU and RAM to a 3/4 year old CPU cost as much as a PS4 (if the rumors are to be believed). In 6 months, it will cost less. And the software (games) costs less too.

So the point of my post is pretty simple and I'm not bragging about my specs. A PC can change with relative ease: in 6 months most gaming PCs could be upgraded to perform equally or better than any "next-gen" console and you can save the cost thanks to Steam sales or other similar services.

So, your "most gaming PCs will perform worse than a PS4" is simply wrong, false and baseless. The point of console is not power or money. They are just more convenient for the living room and offer a different set of ergonomics.
Yeah, desktops are by far the cheapest and most modifiable gaming powerhouse (in the long run.) I got my 8 core processor on sale for $119 and don't even get me started on memory, they practically give it away. The graphics card is by far the most expensive part clocking in at about $500 for brand new off the shelf, but usually you can find a second gen one for about the price of a new console. Assuming its not a total overhaul and just an upgrade its much more affordable. Not to mention the arbitrary (but not discredited) amount of money you save by being savvy to steam sales. Plus at the end of the day a console is simply an entertainment system. You can't do any real work from a PS3 but I can do all my actual work from my desktop while playing games, or listening to music, or surfing the web, or watching videos.....did I mention its modifiable? :p

just like the mac, consoles can kiss my ass.
 

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Since corporations are naturally risk averse and publishers by their very nature are larger and more people saying to avoid risk, expecting them to innovate and allow new IP to actually be born is an anomaly rather than the norm.

For better or worse, I believe the publisher model and the console model will be having a creative destruction period by 2015. What comes out will be the future until it too is rendered obsolete.

The future is likely going to be small studios with minimal overhead geared towards fulfilling the need for a niche product. For their size they will max out profits and fulfill a 2 year production cycle.

(Yes I am a Kickstarter fanatic.)
 

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Yeah, desktops are by far the cheapest and most modifiable gaming powerhouse (in the long run.) I got my 8 core processor on sale for $119 and don't even get me started on memory, they practically give it away. The graphics card is by far the most expensive part clocking in at about $500 for brand new off the shelf, but usually you can find a second gen one for about the price of a new console. Assuming its not a total overhaul and just an upgrade its much more affordable. Not to mention the arbitrary (but not discredited) amount of money you save by being savvy to steam sales. Plus at the end of the day a console is simply an entertainment system. You can't do any real work from a PS3 but I can do all my actual work from my desktop while playing games, or listening to music, or surfing the web, or watching videos.....did I mention its modifiable? :p

just like the mac, consoles can kiss my ass.
Imagine the 3rd gen APUs.

We will be 2nd gen in the summer.
 

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You can always just switch to PC fully so we can "force" them (by them I'm saying MS, Sony & Nintendo) to use an universal platform without any exclusive games.

Oh, how I dream for something that will never happen because of greediness and the console wars between these companies.

OT however, I fully agree with you Jim. There is no "innovation" in the games that were presented whatsoever. Just sequel, sequel, sequel to existing franchises with boosted up graphics, oh how wonderful!

Yes, there are a few new IP's that have popped up but I can't say that they will be system sellers. Watch Dogs is the only interesting one from the lot, but that is multi platform anyway so doesn't really work. Everything else is all we have seen before, like Jim said <"new generation" but same old bs>.
 

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I found this interesting, and sums up my feeling on the Jimquisition in general. Nothing but half truths and all of his dtoid fans just take his word for it, instead of actually researching. He's doing this for the hits people....

"Notable industry figure Jim Sterling recently did a video on what he hated about the PlayStation Meeting. At one point, he said that he fully understood why the PS4 couldn?t play PS3 disc games because they had to move away from The Cell, but that there was ?no excuse? for why it couldn?t play PS3 PSN games. Jim, they are developed on The Cell too, they?re like disc games, but not on a disc. That?s the excuse. He then said that the PS Vita can play PS3 PSN games, so the PS4 should be able to. Nope. They have to be ported, redeveloped. And it?s easier to downscale visuals, than upscale. Come on, this is simple stuff that everyone knows, don?t say stuff like: ?The PS Vita can handle PSN content on a PS3?, unless you actually mean they bought a PS Vita game and just happened to download it to the PS3. Which you didn?t, you seem to think I can put Journey on my Vita and it?ll run fine. The cross-play titles are not the same game, Jim."

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/daily-reaction-ps4-reveal-negativity-analyzed-trolls-or-truth/

There is some truth behind the mass negativity but we are ignoring the positive. How do you criticize a company for being too samey when they have promised 2 brand new IPs in Beyond and The Last of Us as well as at least 4 during that PS4 show? Pure trolling in my opinion.
Yes I noted that too (Bottom of page 4 had a bloody good rant on it). Either Jim lacks any kind of knowledge of how programming and processing architecture works or he wouldn't have said something that mind bogglingly dumb.

Suddenly it seems that 2 random people know more about their console than a game journalist and entertainment figure. Shocking I know.
 

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I'm sure it'd be a pain but I'm sure some of the PSN ps3 titles weren't developed with the cell in mind, or hell just take the PC code on multiplatform games and rework it to the PSN. Now ya we won't see stuff like tokyo jungle but junk like Dreamcast sega classics should be available on the PS4
 

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Here's a change to plug my shitty Blog. Adressed to Mister Sterling
http://57005x.blogspot.fi/2013/02/ps4-and-technical-confusion-around-it.html
 

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Yeah, desktops are by far the cheapest and most modifiable gaming powerhouse (in the long run.) I got my 8 core processor on sale for $119 and don't even get me started on memory, they practically give it away. The graphics card is by far the most expensive part clocking in at about $500 for brand new off the shelf, but usually you can find a second gen one for about the price of a new console. Assuming its not a total overhaul and just an upgrade its much more affordable. Not to mention the arbitrary (but not discredited) amount of money you save by being savvy to steam sales. Plus at the end of the day a console is simply an entertainment system. You can't do any real work from a PS3 but I can do all my actual work from my desktop while playing games, or listening to music, or surfing the web, or watching videos.....did I mention its modifiable? :p

just like the mac, consoles can kiss my ass.
Imagine the 3rd gen APUs.

We will be 2nd gen in the summer.
True, but we will still be running games meant for consoles at faster rates and higher graphics for the next 2 years. lol
 

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You can always just switch to PC fully so we can "force" them (by them I'm saying MS, Sony & Nintendo) to use an universal platform without any exclusive games.

Oh, how I dream for something that will never happen because of greediness and the console wars between these companies.
I share your dreams!
 

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You're not going to see anything change with control of the industry in the hands of so few corporate suits

You want to change things, gamers will have to, in greater numbers, tell them:
-We won't trust pre-release demos anymore
-We won't trust developer enthusiasm and catchphrases
-We will stop pre-ordering games because of lack of delivery
-We will stop supporting microtransactions
-We will stop paying attention to E3 and the BS demos they hype up there.
-We will show loyalty when they show us respect as paying customers instead of demanding it outright
-We will stop letting customer loyalty mean "Suckers who are willing to be nickle and dimed"

But with pretty visuals easily fooling the gaming masses yet again (no one remembers the promise of PS2 being able to have "real time toy story-like graphics"?), nothing will change and all we can hope for is another collapse with the big publishers going bankrupt one way or another.
 

crazyburnerboy8

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beginning to feel that only Jim Sterling and Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw actualy speak the truth about the games industry, Cynicism is the only way to go when it come to vidoe games, to use the words of Yahtzee himself "it makes the most sense to be pessimistic, because if a game is good, Great, but if its bad you've lost nothing, plus you get the satisfaction of knowing your cleverer than fan-boys, which is right up there with winning a beauty contest against steve buscemi"
 

crazyburnerboy8

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beginning to feel that only Jim Sterling and Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw actualy speak the truth about the games industry, Cynicism is the only way to go when it come to vidoe games, to use the words of Yahtzee himself "it makes the most sense to be pessimistic, because if a game is good, Great, but if its bad you've lost nothing, plus you get the satisfaction of knowing your cleverer than fan-boys, which is right up there with winning a beauty contest against steve buscemi"
 

Quellist

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Fuck the game industry, i'm sick and tired of the same fucking safe old formulas, how games are being homogenised and how innovation is ignored. Even Tomb Raider looks like its going to play like Uncharted now, all setpieces and no exploration. Hope i'm wrong about that. But yeah, i dont really have much in the way of hope for the new generation, games like Syndicate, Dead Space 3, Resident Evil 6 , Brink etc have taken it out of me
 

Atmos Duality

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It's stagnant? Of course it is.
Until the end of 2010, consoles were the Promised Land for Big Publishers and the Big Three alike.
Change? Given the heights they achieved financially and legally since the start of the PS3/Wii/360 generation (assuming you even count the fucking Wii but I digress) any sort of change to that only means bad news for them.

And you know what? They're absolutely right.
We'll see just how long "Same Old, Same Old" holds up; who knows? Maybe we really are the puny vocal minority here, and there's enough suckers out there who do keep buying into the same old bullshit.

But maybe the winds of change are at last upon us:
We've seen gaming controversy boil over like never before in the last year, some of it for very stupid reasons, yet some of it due to people realizing just what it is they're dealing with and what they're actually paying for.

It wasn't until this last generation that I ever grew frustrated with consoles or as much of the business as I have.
 

Lord_Gremlin

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I'm actually concerned that I'm yet to see anything that PS3 truly couldn't handle. For example, PS3 couldn't handle battlefields full of dismembered bodies that were all affected by physics, limbs included. Or castles being blown up in real time. You know. Same thing with better FPS and resolution is of no interest.
 

Hyakunin Isshu

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I hate you people. I really really hate people who agree with this mr. Jim Sterling, because what you all seem to want is stagnation. What you people want is to stay with the PS3 forever, and ever, and ever, because you think it will change games somehow. No one should hear what you fanboys have to say, because you are only going to help kill games.