Jimquisition: Only The Lonely

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Moth_Monk said:
mike1921 said:
I really can't wrap my head around the idea that you honestly think that calling 90% of the world's population idiots for not thinking the exact same way as you is a good idea and something that shouldn't be frowned on.

The moral? Calm down. Seriously.
 

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why can't the industry people stop treating us like were stupid

because heres thing..

SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTIPLAYER ARE DIFFERENCT EXPEREINCES

did I just blow your fucking mind marketing people? I'm sick to death of EA and the like acting as if cramming multiplayer is going to somhow make a game better (it doesnt) or that it is an upgrade of single player (it isnt) do you think I had more fun playing borderlands 2 while somone was teabagging lillith?
 

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CardinalPiggles said:
Exacerbated point still stands though I think. Some games benefit from being singleplayer (like horror games). The same way some games benefit from being multiplayer (like the FPS).
why does a FPS have to have mutliplayer? first person perepctive is a good environemnt/story telling tool..mabye the devs focus was elsewhere?
 

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Vault101 said:
CardinalPiggles said:
Exacerbated point still stands though I think. Some games benefit from being singleplayer (like horror games). The same way some games benefit from being multiplayer (like the FPS).
why does a FPS have to have mutliplayer? first person perepctive is a good environemnt/story telling tool..mabye the devs focus was elsewhere?
I never said an FPS has to have multiplayer. I said some FPS games benefit from having multiplayer. I agree that the first person perspective is good for projecting the player onto that character though (like Skyrim). Whereas games like Call of Duty and Battlefield (first person shooters) are marred with ridiculously linear and heavily scripted singleplayer and only shine in their multiplayer aspects because the shooting mechanics are so great.
 

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Vault101 said:
why can't the industry people stop treating us like were stupid

because heres thing..

SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTIPLAYER ARE DIFFERENCT EXPEREINCES

did I just blow your fucking mind marketing people? I'm sick to death of EA and the like acting as if cramming multiplayer is going to somhow make a game better (it doesnt) or that it is an upgrade of single player (it isnt) do you think I had more fun playing borderlands 2 while somone was teabagging lillith?
For some it is. I don't really mind co-op and multiplayer in games because they provide options, different strokes for different folks. What I mind is multiplayer modes and co-op modes where the devs clearly didn't give a shit (Spec Ops the Line and Bioshock 2)
 

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Fiz_The_Toaster said:
Um...well, you see...reasons...I think...?
That's the impression that I get.

OT: I play games alone A LOT, and it's not because I don't have any friends to play games with, but it's mainly because I want to experience a game and what it has without someone taking me out of it.

Plus when I play games, most of the time, I want to be left along and decompress after a long day.

I don't see how that's hard to understand for some people (not you quoted person, you're cool).
I personally like it both ways. Hell, a lot of games I will do alone AND with people. I have multiple solo AND co-op characters for Borderlands 2, Saints Rows 2 and 3, (sort of) Red Dead Redemption, and probably a ton of games that will occur to me after I hit "post." I am a social gamer, but only to a point. It can be both fun to shoot things up with friends and to backstab alone for me. For most games, I tend towards the solo thing, though. Part of that is ease of play (easier to boot up your own console, rather than waiting around for people), but a lot of it is just that I like the solo experience as well.

And there should be no shame in playing alone.
 

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Of course I thank God for Jimquisition, I thank God each day for pretty much anything that gives me joy. And anyone that doesn't give God credit for unlikely chain of events, the thermodynamic miracle, that lead to this show being made and placed us in the time and place necessary to witness the spectacle; well, they are really selling God short.

By the way Jim, through my own prays thanking God for you, I believe the reply I am getting is: "You're welcome."
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Fiz_The_Toaster said:
OT: I play games alone A LOT, and it's not because I don't have any friends to play games with, but it's mainly because I want to experience a game and what it has without someone taking me out of it.

Plus when I play games, most of the time, I want to be left along and decompress after a long day.

I don't see how that's hard to understand for some people (not you quoted person, you're cool).
I personally like it both ways. Hell, a lot of games I will do alone AND with people. I have multiple solo AND co-op characters for Borderlands 2, Saints Rows 2 and 3, (sort of) Red Dead Redemption, and probably a ton of games that will occur to me after I hit "post." I am a social gamer, but only to a point. It can be both fun to shoot things up with friends and to backstab alone for me. For most games, I tend towards the solo thing, though. Part of that is ease of play (easier to boot up your own console, rather than waiting around for people), but a lot of it is just that I like the solo experience as well.

And there should be no shame in playing alone.
I've played multiplayer only a handful of times and that was with AC: Brotherhood and Revelations, and those were brief encounters. I just get bored with multiplayer after a while, and I don't find it fun. I don't really know why, but it might have to do with how repetitive it can get and that it's so emphasized in games that it just appeal to me. :/

I have played co-op a few times and am right in the middle of one with Borderlands 2 and I do think that's a lot of fun, and I just think I got lucky of who this random stranger is I'm playing with. I don't get a chance to play with friends because I either don't play the game they want to do co-op with or it's on a system I don't own, but the times I do get to I have a blast.

I'm mainly an RPG player so I prefer to play alone and not have someone with me while I play. I guess I'm just so used to playing games by myself for so long that it doesn't bother me and I find that stance of how it's a shame if you play alone to be ridiculous. And like you said, there should be no shame in playing alone, and especially if the game is better for single player.
 

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I don't advocate necessarily for Religion, I advocate against bashing it just as I advocate against bashing atheism but it seems like I'll always be a minority.

Anyways I agree full-board with you, although I find that although I'm religious, I'm against the bible-beaters on this one, no question. Ironic or humourous blasphemy isn't bad, or at least as bad as they say it is, as I believe God has a sense of humour, if you view it from my stand-point there's little else to explain the existence of irony. Plus if its an atheist doing it it's also not real blasphemy because blasphemy can not occur within their frame of mind, as there is no one to offend with those jokes but sensitive believer. Anyways, Jim I defend your right to make your jokes, so please don't rope me and others like me in with the other prudes, alright?
 

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I like to think that Jesus sits in a leather chair in heaven, watching Jim on a TV and laughing his head off.

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Also, You are bloody right. Sometimes, I just wanna be alone... in fact, it would be closer to the truth to say 'sometimes i just wanna interact with people'.

Fortunately, from the looks of it, you have the option to close your city's region off and play alone.
 

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It's funny how social people can't get that some of us like some solo time. General issues with multiplayer aside (tech issues, gamer imbalance) I like the alone time. I deal with people all day, and most of those encounters are people that can't solve their own problem, create problems for me, and show no gratitude for the former or remorse for the latter (it's office administration: all the stupid people of tech support with the penalty of they don't go away). I game to get away from hem and spend some time in a world I control. where my success and failures are my own, and I don't have to deal with people that can't do a google search, read a help file, or remember what I told them last time they had the same problem.

It's like when school sees a loner bookworm and decides to shove them into some extra curricular sport, not getting that that was the kind of activity the loner was trying to avoid. I don't need multiplayer to game with friends. I've spent a lot of hours players while a friend watches, helps and comments, or just chats, and hours doing the same while another plays, or no one playing and just talking about games. I get they want to sell more controllers, systems, disks, and the like, but socil doesn't mean we all have to be playing at the same time.
 

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Okay Jim does realize that Maxis was bought by EA and that this was just their stupid, and contrived reasoning behind including DRM in the game right?

He does get that right?
 

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Well done, the first one I like. You keep getting better, but by your intro you were already there. You just waited till now to show that to others.
 

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Remus said:
WTF kind of fish is that? It's like a hammerhead shark, but with bad teeth and a dick for a nose.

On topic, multiplayer can be a giant f'ing immersion breaker if I'm playing a game for the story. Take Guild Wars 2 - I rarely ever dungeon crawl in that game because if I did, I might want to watch the little story bits while everyone else stands around and waits for me. I'd much rather just be saving this or that town from giants, skritt, or centaurs, getting my Hero on, without getting in the way of somebody else who wants to move shit along. I play single player games to get away from people, multiplayer when I want interaction. They're separate playstyles and should remain as such.

As an atheist, I thank Darwin for me. Although at this stage of human history, with medical and scientific advancements, evolution has kinda fallen to the wayside. Perhaps I should thank Tesela, or Jobs.
I think it's a goblin shark. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin_shark]

OT: Sometimes I'm in the mood to play a game with other people and sometimes I'm not. I certainly don't need tacked on multiplayer, like some kind of cancerous growth hanging off of a singe-player game, and I especially don't want it infecting single player as well.

One of the any reasons I have little hope for dragon age 3 is because, due to EA's multiplayer policy, I strongly suspect I'm going to have some 12-year-old calling me a fag for paying attention to the dialogue or something.
 

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RandV80 said:
Yeah just imagine sitting down to read an eagerly awaited new book like the finale of the Wheel of Time or the next A Song of Fire and Ice installment (hopefully before my hair turns grey) and having tweets and facebook comments popping up beside the text.

In other words these publishers can go screw themselves, let multiplayer be multiplayer and single player be single player. I'm not going to go to a movie theater alone, but I'm also not going to read a book in a group.
Why? Because its weird for a lot of people to see someone that wants to be alone.

Guys, most of you are hardcore gamers (else, wtf are you doing on this site?). Many of you are probably introverts.

I bet most of you can't fathom how there are many people out there who take their smartphones to the bathroom. Or worse, take them to bed. Seriously, people text their friends on the toilet, a place many of us associate with alone time (because who takes a crap with a second person watching?).

Further more, I've heard of people speculating that nightclubs aren't fun at all. Except that many people actually like them... because there is people... everywhere!

Some of you point out that Dishononered and Skyrim printed money this year. Many party games have printed out even more money this year as well.

Some of you are going to say that 'no one thinks its weird to read by yourself.' Well, aside from book clubs where you are reading in a group... but its more likely that most people don't actually sit and read. I can remember it being considered weird to actually sit and read a book that wasn't assigned reading by many of the student body, much to the chagrin of the teachers trying to get us to read.

Even in the single player one isn't truely alone. There are web forums and lets plays where one can make a single player experience less single while not truely multiplayer. I think someone on the Retsuprae troup pointed out that some of them were recording themselves play to feel less lonely be having the though that someone else would be watching their session later.

I remember the feeling of playing in arcades and having someone hovering over my shoulder watching me play. Some of you are probably perturb at the though of someone hovering over your shoulder as you played, even if it wasn't some porno flash game, but at the time, I figured that I was in a public place and to allow some leeway accordingly, that people will watch how awesome (or lame) I was. I did get some rude 'eff offs' from people in arcades when I did the same thing, and again, public place with people everywhere, this always baffled me, but there are people reading this who would think that was rude of me you watch you play if it was you.

I don't doubt that the likes of EA and that are milking this to stuff DRM into their games, but the idea that they are generating the belief that singleplayer is for socially maladjusted losers (or any activity that is done in solitude) isn't new. In fact, well look up the TV Trope "Loners are Freaks" to get a better idea of what we have always thought of people who want to be alone.

The reality is there are a lot of lonely people out there, and to them, they can't understand why anyone would want solitude. Then there are the people who want to be connected to other 24/7. Leaving us as a minority.
 

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I only play ONE MP game with any consitency, L4D2. Otherwise I am a big time single player gamer. Also I have heard devs on a couple games that were supposed to be MP centered that said more people played SP then ever played MP, so I think the numbers back us up.
The publishers retain more control over connected games though which is part of the reason I think they push them so much.
 

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Bang-on, Jim. Sometimes I want to play with people, to enjoy the sense of teamwork and have the opportunity to show off. Sometimes I want to play on my own, because it's impossible to feel good about myself when I'm having to share a game with a bunch of other people who are simply better at it than me. Or because the game itself is all about YOU. Making SimCity have enforced multiplayer (I'm not sure about the details, but that's the impression I'm getting)? What kind of goddamn "god game" forces you to be just one in a pantheon? Where's the feeling of total control, shaping the world to YOUR will?
 

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Im not really a multiplayer person, i dont like how all the achievements are starting to be online multiplayer centric, Im not saying all games need it... but there is a hell of a lack of good co-op games, yes theres BL2, L4D and a few others but theres a lack of good multiplayer rpg's, im not saying skyrim needed it but i probably would have sunk a longer amount of time if my gf could sit and killed some dragons as well, I dont mind playing games alone but i do mind that the only co-op games are for the most part shit or non existent
 

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gonephishing said:
yeah... I'm not watching this show anymore. I don't hate anybody for having their own beliefs, because I don't "hate" anybody. I don't think that spending time watching a person who is willing to blatantly demonstrate such an grandiloquently offensive and sacrilegious attitude is a good use of my time. I'm afraid Jim has lost a viewer.
Thank God for Jim and praise Willem DeFoe. Needless to Jim will keep all his fans who don't have imaginary friends. You my friend should get a sense of humour.

Religion exists to be ripped on, it must do or why would the writers have stories about talking snakes, men made from clay, women made from ribs, and paedophiles who carry stone tablets with rules on them?

As for the multiplayer, it's the best excuse to rip people off with bad DRM, DLC and pay-for content like customisation that should be in the game for free. Like it used to be. Games like Diablo 3 set the bastards-are-go markers, idiot fan-bois allowed Blizzzard and others to get away with it, defending them to this day like the halfwits that they are, and so other publishers are following suit. What will people allow them to get away with next?

Wait, didn't Jim already point this out too in a previous Jimquisition?
 

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Loved the intro dialogue, cracks me up XD.

So.....Am I the only one who solos through MMOs an an excuse to play a free game for some alone time rather than as a desire to socialize only to end up unable to find people I can cooperate with? Am I the only one who puts party requests on block & hides the chat box?

Some of my friends like games. We have different tastes in games. When we attempt playing together, we do not enjoy it. If I want to hang out with people, I will either go outside with plans for the day, or I will go to a forum or Facebook.

I'm sure Angry Joe would disagree with this video. I remember he always used to reduce a game's rating for not having co-op. Swear to god he would crawl into a ball & cry if he had to play a video game by himself. Don't know if he feels the same way; since everything is multiplayer now, he never brings it up.