Jimquisition: PS4 - Doing Nothing, Meaning Everything

[Something Amyss]

3.) A zombie game (if you put all the digital zombies created together you would have a literal apocalypse)

Technically, but not because of the zombies themselves so much as the black hole their concentrated mass would create.

 

[Aglaophotis666]

Has anyone actually thought what will happen the generation after this? What happens if the XBone goes on to have an equal or better market share than the PS4? What does that tell these big companies and what does that mean for the next next gen?

I certainly have. I was actually just coming to suggest to Mr. Sterling that he should dedicate an episode of The Jimquisition to addressing the people who are still planning to buy an Xbox One because the used game/online check-ins etc. don't matter to them as they personally have no need for the used game market/have a good internet connection. Aside from the fact that people should have the social conscience to realize that there are many people who will be screwed over by these policies and should reconsider supporting a company that is willing to alienate the less fortunate, they should at least consider a future in which Microsoft is allowed to get away with what it's trying to do.

If the Xbox One manages to be successful (not necessarily "win" the console war but makes enough money off of it to continue releasing new consoles in the future) what's to stop them from trying to get away with a little bit more each time? To gradually but inevitably deprive consumers of ALL of their rights? Used games and internet connections may not matter to you personally right now, but if you don't stand up to Microsoft today to let them know they can't get away with all the crap they're pulling, what happens when they eventually take away something that you DO care about? Of course, when that happens, there will be no one left to stand beside you in YOUR protest because they will all have already been dominated by Microsoft's all-encompassing attack on basic human dignity.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is capable of thinking long-term.

 

[redknightalex]

I'm sure that everything in the video has already been addressed many times over (and I see that the fanboy wars are already in full operation) but I wanted to say one thing about your closing statements, Jim.

Take away the game from game journalism and you've got a journalist. If we stop saying that game journalists are somehow different then regular journalists and hold them to the same standard -- which, albeit, is rather low for me right now -- then you're saying exactly what needs to be said and I expect no apologies. Sure, the Times or Atlantic may be a little more subtle about their approach yet while they're reporting news that affects everyday lives, you're reporting on news that affects consumers. Journalists are, by definition, reporting on news events that concern the common citizen. Game journalists report on events that affect the gaming consumer. Same thing? Maybe. Same principle? I'd say so.

My answer to anyone buying an Xbone is, and always will be, is "it's anti-consumer." Thank god for Jim.

(I'm also vehemently against the ideas, ie online phone home, that Microsoft has adopted. No matter how little I'm actually off the Internet, I don't want it. Period. If my principles fail me then I don't know what else I've got.)

 

[PunkRex]

Power to the people!

Jim, if Microsoft really have declared war, can we get a vid of you dressed as Winston Churchill giving a rousing speech about how much they suck?

 

[ZexionSephiroth]

I'm pretty sure its now perfectly clear that Microsoft's Xbox one is Xboned.

Its probably only going to sell a miniscule number of units, it has no game that will get units out of the store...

Basically... They are Screwed.

Next Gen seems to be all out competition between the original Grudge match, Nintendo VS Sony. One who betrayed the other...

Thing is... Nintendo is bound to succeed regardless, guaranteed victory by sheer virtue of owning half the good game series from the dawn of gaming, and they aren't above letting all of the other games come over to their side.

...On the other hand... Nintendo doesn't have a device powerful enough for some games so the PS4 is still going to have something to do.

But needless to say, with one giant slain... There's a crash in the making... The real question is whether it shakes the very foundations of the game industry, or if everyone pitches in to drag the slain carcass of the dead behemoth back to turn into food for the hungry masses.

...Probably the later...

So... I would like to Congratulate Nintendo and Sony for the spoils of war they will soon gain. As well as for saving us all the extra $500 it would cost to get three consoles instead of two.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

While you can still share disc based games you cannot game share and sony will most definitely move in a more digital centered market in the near future.

as pc/Steam fan, i think its great if they do, so long as it isnt on a closed platform

 

[Saltyk]

Thank God for Jim.

As you said Jim. The problem is that Microsoft has declared war on the consumer. On me. Just for the crime of trying to use their product. That's not going to fly.

Sony may have done nothing. They may maintain the status quo. But this is one time that is a good thing. Doing nothing is better than making it worse. Often the best intentions have terrible consquences. Though, I don't even think Microsoft had good intentions.

Oh, check Amazon's Top games. Of the top 20, 4 of them are PS4 consoles or bundles. Only one is a XBone. Even going into the top 40, there are still no XBone consoles, though a PS4 Knack bundle shows up. And after that... It's all just PS3 and 360 stuff with some XBone and PS4 games showing up here and there. Now THAT is damning!

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Though, I think the Wii U needs some love.

I wont touch a Nintendo product until their conflict mineral rating improves.
which is a shame because i really like the look of Mario Kart 8 (even with the stupid Nintendo control pads)

 

[simwaroar5]

Ok I'll bite.

What does the Xbox One provide me that my Gaming PC that does not?
better.

Okay now I would prefer and Nextbox over a PS4, but I am a PC gamer too. I wouldn't switch to consoles for a Nextbox, but I would get one because I play both my PC and a console. Now as for what makes it special. The family share list that it has allows you to share digital games with up to ten people. If you use Steam like me then you just don't have that option. If your PSN buddies live on the other side of the country it becomes inconvenient. Nextbox also has the primer Motion sensing and voice recognition tech. Now I know you either don't care about, or probably think the Kinect was rubbish. That was a little true last gen, but this up coming one is going to have vastly superior software/hardware for it to the point where it should be able to tell when you are squeezing your hand on the controller. Also for anyone that had a Kinect at the time, hoe cool was it to be able to yell "FUS RO DAH" to use shouts. It has its benefits. I am looking forward to the day it becomes the home Jarvis. though if you don't like it you can turn it off. One feature no one has talked about anywhere, but I read off their website was that the Nextbox will be able to track how you play your games, so when you are offline your friends can create a bot tailored to play just like you, to play with or against. Now I don't mean to come off as a complete dickwad, for supporting the Nextbox, but the way Jim has been railing against it for the past 3 weeks and everyone eating it up has been bugging the hell out of me. He makes a whole bunch of assumption and accusation about how they are trying to screw us over and never talks about the good points of the Nextbox, or any shortcomings the PS4 might have. I just want a fair and balanced argument.

 

[Vivi22]

what do you think about Nintendo's more snarky remark "if you're worried about used games sales, make better games"?

That they're absolutely right?

People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

How brave of you to make a prediction based on zero evidence that can't be tested for two whole years. You must be so knowledgeable to base this opinion on absolutely nothing and expect us to care.

 

[Vivi22]

Though, I think the Wii U needs some love.

I'll gladly give them some support when they stop relying on gimmicky controllers, drum up some third party support, change their "great first party lineup" to include something that isn't basically a remake of the same games they made almost twenty years ago, make an introductory model that isn't a crippled brick right out of the box, and sell a last generation console for what it's actually worth instead of almost the same price as a PS4.

 

[Mister Linton]

Microsoft has set up their system to provide more flexibility for sharing and ownership in an all digital game space. Sony has set up their system to provide more flexibility for sharing and ownership of physical disks. One of these is the future, and one of them is the past.

 

[BBboy20]

Microsoft has set up their system to provide more flexibility for sharing and ownership in an all digital game space. Sony has set up their system to provide more flexibility for sharing and ownership of physical disks. One of these is the future, and one of them is the past.

Have M$ clarified and with explicit detail without a shadow of a doubt of what their digital flexibility is? They haven't? Ok, so all they're doing right now is fucking up the Future. Move along now.

 

[Disastermouse]

People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

That's what everyone said about Sony moving to a pay-to-play for multiplayer this gen - and it NEVER HAPPENED. Sure, it's happening NEXT gen, but PS+ is so hilariously better than XBL Gold that it's almost comical. F2P games won't be behind the paywall, MMOs with their own subscription price won't be behind the paywall, and Netflix and all the other things that MS locks behind paywalls won't be locked behind a paywall.

So yeah, judging by this gen, IF Sony implements any of MS's BS, it'll be next-gen, which will make the MS moves irrelevant, as next-gen will be ALL-Digital.

 

[jpoon]

Spot fucking on Jim, well said.

 

[Seracen]

Well done sir, I could not have said it more eloquently myself. As always thank the Lord for Jim Sterling.

Seriously though, status quo IS worthy of applause, but it's sad that the situation is such.

EDIT: I will totally consider the Wii-U if...

1) they institute a decent controller that doesn't die twice per sitting (and hurt after a few hours of play)

2) they actually get games

3) they get GOOD exclusives (to be fair, E3 showed me 3 that I wanted...good start)

 

[Vausch]

This has honestly gotten me asking, how long will it take for the Xbone to be hacked to delete the DRM effects? And if they do that, will they be sued and cause another Linux PS3 fiasco?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I'd equate this to a Slave Master promising not to use the whips today.

Just slavery? You don't want to go for a full Godwin here?

It's a little over the top to compare standard consumer practices to slavery, especially the most abusive practices (and practitioners) of slavery.

"Standard consumer practices???" If the shit Microsoft and others pull is considered standard then things are even worse than I ever imagined. I mean I knew they were in danger of becoming standard, but if they're already standard then we've already lost.

 

[Dark Knifer]

While you can still share disc based games you cannot game share and sony will most definitely move in a more digital centered market in the near future.

You mean like the Microsoft's 10 family member thingy?

I don't know about that, if you interpret their system in the most gamer friendly manner popular then you would have a system that does far more damage to the publishers than used games ever could. Microsoft wouldn't give the publishers such a big bone only to take them behind the shed and shoot em.

Fundamentally though, I would say the system their implementing has everything to do with disc based game sharing. Unlike Steam which is more for personal use, the Xbox One will typically sit in the living room and for larger households be a family device. If little Timmy has an Xbox live account and little brother Jimmy also has his own, it would be suicide for MS to suggest the parents need to buy two 'licenses' of a game so they can both play.

That's what needs to be preserved here. If Sony doesn't have this for their digital purchases and you need that functionality, then you can just buy the retail copy.

A little anecdote for you.
My friend has playstation plus and I do not. Mostly because I just haven't gotten around to it, and it's low on my priorities. He came over to my house loaded his profile on my system and downloaded a copy of dungeon defenders to my console so we could play it. After he left I could still play dungeon defenders on my system without logging into his account, or even being logged into the system itself as him. My account can play things his account installed.

Sony kind of has a cut down version of Microsoft's family plan, except their not advertising it as a feature it's just part of the console. It's not as extensive but it works to its own degree.

That's actually really awesome, even better then steam in my case. I got a disc version of left 4 dead 2 and put on the pc but it had installed it on my brothers account and we couldn't find a way to transferring it over to my account so I'm stuck playing it on his account.

Steam is cool and all I just wished they didn't hate physical copies as much as they do.

OT: Maintaining policy is significant, I mean when a government says they shall continue funding particular areas that's always significan and in this case its working very well for sony.

 

[Baresark]

Yes what PS4 did is exactly the same as the PS3 and 360, because there is nothing new they are just selling updated graphics and coming out with some new sequels everyone has been asking for and their own exclusives. That's it!

That is pretty much what everyone wants.... newer, prettier games. They want games that look better and you can do more in. No one wants new ways to watch television or smartglass (the thing that existed before MS decided they were going to do it themselves and give it a stupid name).

Yeah they do add DRM all the time, there will be season passes, microtransactions, day-one dlc. Also Sony never said they had plan's for any digital sharing which Microsoft has. Along with the ability to trade you games in at Gamestop for 32 cents each. Honestly I never trade games in because they never give you anything, but you all want it so bad and you have it, but you are still complaining. The only people they are screwing over are the little games stores, but as we enter a digital age they are going away anyway.

No one is denying that the world is moving towards a digital age. But MS is simply using that excuse to put more restrictions on customers, not to actually make anything innovative. The things is, Sony said they weren't going to build DRM into the system and that first party titles would not be using it. But any publisher that wishes to use online passes or whatever they want to use, is free to. I'm with you though, I don't trade in games. The few console titles I buy are ones that I never plan on trading in. That said, I don't think people buy many digital titles with the intention of trading them in. The ability to give a digital title to a friend is awesome, but it's rendered almost useless because it still negates game sharing with friends. You can't lend it to a friend and give it back. And that person then cannot lend or give it to another friend once they have it. It's neat but at the same time completely useless. It's not innovative or even a good idea, ultimately, because of that very restriction.

Yeah well if consoles start adopting the Steam model (which Microsoft has been edging towards with all the new sales and the dedicated sale section of their marketplace) then it will be a great innovation. along with all the added game play benefits of the Kinect 2.

We all know that is happening. Consoles are years behind the PC on that front. But you can buy lots of digital titles from lots of locations with varying prices. Steam is only one of many digital platforms on the PC. For either MS or Sony, it won't be like that. There will be the Sony Store and MS Store, and that is it. There will be no competition, no competitive pricing, they are both literally shooting themselves in the foot, but MS is doing a much better shooting job than Sony. That is by making restrictions such as the necessity to connect to their server every 24 hours. We have awesome internet in my house. My room mate loves his 360. But that alone is making him buy Sony this time around.