Jimquisition: PS4 - Doing Nothing, Meaning Everything
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Xbone will require, at minimum (it appears), a 1.5mb/s connection. For comparison, my phone has about an 8mb/s (at the best of times, horrible data plan [meh]). I downloaded a 1gb file in about 6 minutes. Cloud gaming could conceivably use 3-4gb per day depending on your usage.chozo_hybrid said:
Questing as i've never hear it vocalized. Is the 1.5mb/s connection required for XBox One a megabit or megabyte connection?008Zulu said:
I can tell you now if it's megabyte then Australia is pretty much out for 2 -3 years of ever using this thing, unless one is lucky enough to be in an area that already has fiber connectivity. I could count on one hand the amount of times i've managed to get 1.5mb/second transfer with combined up and down.
A normal day in the PS4 marketing department:
1. Come to work.
2. Look up what Microsoft is doing.
3. Smile.
4. Go home.
5. Another successful day.
1. Come to work.
2. Look up what Microsoft is doing.
3. Smile.
4. Go home.
5. Another successful day.
M$'s Xbone, and it's policies... I couldn't say it better, by kissing the boot of the publishers, M$ had declared the war on (not SONY, not nintendo, not apple, but no) YOU; the consumers... yes, the very people who are actually PAYING FOR EVERY STINKY BREATH COMING OUT FROM THIS CORRUPTED INDUSTRIES ASS-MOUTH...
One thing, I hated as I was young, my mother calls video-games as "DRUGS", I had always refuted it harshly, telling her that it was totally just having fun, like a toy for older people.... simply a hobby, like movie watching... But lately, after the M$ revealing... I wondered... the steps this industry took to "get control over our wallet"... isn't it "like drug"? First, it was free, then, little money, then price go up, then they want us to jump hoops to get more, now they want us to check up daily, and have registry... Even paid, AAA games have strings attached... like Jim said a while ago... You don't OWN the game you spent 60 bux to buy, you get license to run/play it.
I call piracy a lie/myth/conspiracy cooked up by the publishers, it MAY damage the sales, but when a company makes a game, and millions of copies sold, but they still claim it came "short", something is wrong... it's not that people are not buying, it's NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE BUYING to satisfy the company's dream...
One thing, I hated as I was young, my mother calls video-games as "DRUGS", I had always refuted it harshly, telling her that it was totally just having fun, like a toy for older people.... simply a hobby, like movie watching... But lately, after the M$ revealing... I wondered... the steps this industry took to "get control over our wallet"... isn't it "like drug"? First, it was free, then, little money, then price go up, then they want us to jump hoops to get more, now they want us to check up daily, and have registry... Even paid, AAA games have strings attached... like Jim said a while ago... You don't OWN the game you spent 60 bux to buy, you get license to run/play it.
I call piracy a lie/myth/conspiracy cooked up by the publishers, it MAY damage the sales, but when a company makes a game, and millions of copies sold, but they still claim it came "short", something is wrong... it's not that people are not buying, it's NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE BUYING to satisfy the company's dream...
Yeah, ThuuMic was pretty fu...simwaroar5 said:
Kinect?
I thought you were talking about the Mod.
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/5626/?
Interesting first question. I would think megabyte due to the data being transmitted. In Australia, you'd likely be fine if you were in either Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. Adelaide is a hit and miss affair from what I'm told. I have only gotten the speeds I mentioned because I am right on the edge of the 4G envelope from my nearby airport.WWmelb said:
But yeah, most (80-85%) of Microsoft's current consumer base in Australia probably won't be getting the Xbone because of these speeds.
Another great vid with excellent points made Jim. I especially enjoyed your rendition of "Yeah" by Usher.
Right like Microsoft. I think if they feel they can push digital distribution they will as much as they can. They just won't be the pricks MS was about it and try to shove it down our mouths ASAP.008Zulu said:
Living in melbourne, my average speed (combined down/up) is around 1.1mb/s. And that is when downloading from stable servers, soo.. i'd be screwed.008Zulu said:
I'm actually disappointed by all this shit around this console, it's the first time some of the exclusives on xbox have actually made me interested in the console, but alas, no project spark for me
Can't tolerate. Don't want.captcha: red herring... hrmm oh really...
Look you don't have to justify it to me i know PS+ is a better deal. I've never played online games with my console so its not even an issue with me. PS4 is the superior product in all respect. Just in the name of fairness, it should have been noted. What once was free now isn't.anthony87 said:Even with that there's a couple of....silver linings? Yes you have to pay but PS+ is cheaper, gives you PS Store discounts and you get monthly free games.DTWolfwood said:Could have mentioned the one downside to the whole thing, having to pay for multiplayer now.
Microsoft just straight up gave its customers the middle finger and ram its cock into their asses! Sony was kind enough to buy their customers dinner before just slipping in the tip
Plus while it's needed to play online multiplayer that only counts for games you buy, you won't need a subscription to play any of the F2P games.
That depends entirely on how many people are cool about what Microsoft is doing. You know why Sony now is ok with charging people with online gaming? Because Players are cool with it. They are thinking it's fine to pay extra fee for Microsoft just so that they can use some party chat and play online.MichaelMaverick said:
If players choose to buy Microsoft's console and they are ok with DRM they are ok with always online and such. I guess I can see Sony turning around. It really is upto what players want.
So if you don't want that to happen, buy something else than XboxOne. Because if Sony finds this strategy working, it WILL continue doing it. If they won't, people will abandon the ship for sure.
In what way is this "darker", this is business at work! This is seriously what is always happening behind the scenes, and if you don't believe me go read any articles on MTV vs Much Music(or VH1 before an aggresive buyout) or Disney channel vs. Nickelodeon.CrossLOPER said:I think the truth is far darker....
Yes, businesses target other businesses, but how is that "evil". That is the competition, and if the competition does something that could be considered unintelligent, you don't politely inform them, you kick their feet out from under them. I don't support Capitalism, I think it's a draconic and sad state of affairs to let greed be a determinant of power. Once upon a time it was important to civilization that business have the chance to bloom, but it's gone far enough.
However, I UNDERSTAND it. This is standard business practice 101, and where as it's interesting, it's not anything new, different, or creepy. If Sony was putting brainwashing chemicals in the water, that would be evil, them attacking Microsoft to get the love of the people? Standard practice: Microsoft has indirectly attacked the playerbase, and Sony ran with that info and managed to throw a pie in Microsoft's face. It's almost exactly like politics, and there a politician can find a reason to attack another politician EVEN WHEN NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG!!!(Just look up all the idiots who think Obama messed up in the middle east by not supporting the good guys...WHAT GOOD GUYS! ARE WE IN A COMIC BOOK!?!?!?)
All this could be seen as an accident that Sony has spent much time righting. In fact, one of the reasons they obviously want to move to PS4 is all the MISTAKES on the PS3. Just so you know, the PS3 was my system last generation, and I'm probably going to wait for all THREE(because I'm honestly most impressed with the wiiu after playing it at my friends house, just Nintendo Land was a blast with hours of unlockables and very different gameplay from anything I've experienced. It's really not just another wii resort) until I see how the market goes, which I did with PS3, meaning I bought it when it was 300 for the best model, and they had fully paved out what they were offering.Shdwrnr said:
All that said, the OtherOS option pissed me off too, but not as much as Microsoft's policy of charging me again for the internet I was already purchasing(something that may throw me off the PS4, but we'll see how they handle PS+ moving forward, if it still feels like being part of a cool club with free games and content, consider me all in.), so I got it anyway knowing it's primary purpose was going to be playing games.
Now, the REASON Sony made those decisions become obvious as you watch the shit storm that came after, the PS3 was a complicated system with holes all through it's infrastructure, and the company became very afraid of it being cracked and their industry secrets being destroyed. They made harsh decisions to protect, harsh decisions that are not easily forgiven for sure, but it's not the same situation at all.
After that generation Sony coming out and saying, "we don't want to attack our customers" is kind of them taking the first step in rectifying a long line of mistakes, and I can respect that. I don't think it's worth going to X-Bone(yeah, nice "NEXTBOX", real clever trying to give it a nice nickname) just because Sony made mistakes 5 years ago(longer probably but I ruled on the other side because I didn't want to look things up), I think these promises are the right move for Sony, and I'll probably wait a couple of years to see what is what.
People really need to learn how to use units properly.WWmelb said:
M = Mega
m = Milli
B = Byte
b = Bit
1.5mb/s doesn't make any sense - who would measure something in thousandths of a bit? It should be 1.5Mb/s.
Similarly, one megabyte is 1MB, not 1mb.
The standard unit for network throughput is in bits per second, not bytes. So, when people are abusing their units with improper capitalization, it's probably best to assume that mbps or mb/s are referring to bits (or assume that the person improperly using these units doesn't know what they are talking about).
If the Wii-U had more games in its Library, people wouldn't desperately hold onto anything that's good. Oh yes, I went there. I'm classy like that.Big_Isaac said:
Possibly. Currently, my bathroom reading is an old OPM where Jack Tretton was claiming that the Cell would be easy to program for as long as you knew basic C/C+. As with many things about the PS3 that corporate was saying at launch, that turned out to be a lie. Then there are the other issues such as the whole credit card thing and Sony's marketing department being completely incompetent for both the PSP and the PS3 at the time of the PS3 launch.MichaelMaverick said:
But that doesn't matter. IF Sony pulls a 180, there will be time to rip them apart then Right now, while Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot to the point that it's hard to believe that Microsoft is not deliberately trying to sabotage itself, Sony has their act together. Their marketing is on track and they're taking note of what the market wants.
Maybe Sony will pull a 180. In fact, if the Wii U and the Xbone continue to flounder as badly as they are, it is not unreasonable to see the next-gen console race end up as a one-horse race. If that happens, Sony certainly will pull a 180.
But that's only a possible future. The present situation is that Sony is currently the best choice for the next-gen market and they're doing it through clever marketing and not screwing the customer over. Until there's any evidence of Sony pulling a 180, the applause is still somewhat justified.
