The issue with your statement is that you are likening rape to a visit to the dentist. I cannot even begin to describe how much that disgusts me.5ilver said:I disagree. If you ban rape and rape discussions and somehow remove it from life entirely, why not do the same for dentistry, dentists, everything to do with teeth? I mean, it's pretty traumatic, painful, everybody hates it... Or paper-cuts. Man, those hurt.
Death on the other hand is a final full stop, a big ending, there is nothing (as far as I know) beyond death. There are no chances to heal yourself emotionally and physically.
Tl;dr: Death-end, rape-pain, thus saying rape is NONO while death is ok is hypocrisy.
I have been required to attend (and answer quizzes on) several "don't rape" lectures as part of both high school and university curricula. There is no shortage of "don't rape" posters adorning the hallways and buildings at my university (which is fairly large and considered among the best in the US). I personally know people who work for organizations that work to disseminate this message (there are several and they are fairly well funded). Protest signs reading "tell men not to rape" have become commonplace, even at protests for entirely unrelated causes. A fair number of parents do, in fact, include this in the talks they have with their children. Many forms of religious education include a message not to rape. Men accused of rape are subject to higher rates of vigilante violence than people accused of any other crime, even if they are proven to have been falsely accused. You are merely reiterating a message of ignorance and bigotry.Jimothy Sterling said:Actually ... we ARE reminded not to steal and kill. From birth, we're raised to be told not to kill people, not to steal, to be honest and tell the truth. Nowhere are the boys set aside and told, "Now, you're going to have to not rape people." I understand that bringing up sexual issues -- especially concepts such as rape -- to young children is not going to whet the appetite of many parents, but the point remains that men really AREN'T told not to do it in any way. Parents don't tell their kids at any point, concerned more as they are with ensuring they don't smoke or do drugs.Stripes said:I understand rape is bad, and that its not always obvious, however I disagree that men need to be reminded that fact. Do you need to be reminded not to murder or steal? No you and everyone else old enough to be responsible for their actions knows bad and good and does not need to be reminded what is what, you dont refer to people as potential rapists or murderers so dont treat them like they are.
In fact, there are PLENTY of organizations, poster campaigns, and commercials warning us not to smoke and do drugs. I'd say that's a great instance of society being told things it "doesn't need to learn" but having the lesson reinforced anyway. And I'd say that, "don't put the weird pill in your mouth that you know nothing about" is a FAR more obvious lesson than, "Here are the signs that maybe a woman doesn't want to sleep with you."
I think you misinterpreted my post. I'm in no way condoning murder, but as mentioned in the video, there are instances where killing can be justified. There is no instance where rape could be justified. Ever. That's what I meant by it being a whole other level of evil. As for when human life became cheap? Don't ask me, ask the people who play war shooters.Yabu said:-snip-
Just to help back up your argument:Jimothy Sterling said:Rape isn't always (often isn't) a violent back-alley thing like we see in movies. I think it would behoove society to make us all more aware of that, and understand that just because we're not forcing someone to do something at knifepoint, we still may be making someone do something they don't want to do, and that it could severely affect them emotionally.
Here's the problem: Murder has already become commonplace in videogames. There is literally nothing we can do as a society to de-engineer games with respawn points and slow motion kill cams, things that trivialize and glorify death. Rape is still taboo. I understand your anger about how killing is downplayed but honestly, it's out of our hands now. But if nothing else we have to keep rape morally deplorable because we've failed to do that with murder.Yabu said:But I suppose "It could be worse, they could be killing real people" is okay?hooksashands said:Is it really right to go with the "It could be worse, they could be raping real people" hand-wave here? To me that's even worse. Not that they're raping fictional characters, but that we have to cater to them as our very own rapist demographic... or else. That scares me. A lot.daltonlaffs said:Whether or not you or I like the idea of rape is irrelevant, as irrelevant as the fact that some religious extremists think all forms of violent media should be banned. It's victimless, and if anything, it's preventing the horrible acts it depicts by giving people that are considering them a harmless alternative to the real thing.
I say that line for humour value much more frequently than I probably should at my age.bullet_sandw1ch said:i may be a bad person for this, but i just pictured a fellow player walking up to you, and in the family guy character herberts voice say: "hey there young fella, you want a cold popsicle to cool you down? the one who swallows the most tylenol pm's wins!" and your character shouts "i need an adult! i need an adult!"DiMono said:If I'm playing a game and another character actually rapes me, it means the other player has to actively continue doing things to me, and I have to sit there and watch it happen, or else try to resist.
Maybe you can justify killing, but I don't think you can justify murder ever either. Merriam Webster defines murder as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought". That being said, I think it is fair game to use it in video games or in any type of fiction other than hate propaganda.Starik20X6 said:I think you misinterpreted my post. I'm in no way condoning murder, but as mentioned in the video, there are instances where killing can be justified. There is no instance where rape could be justified. Ever. That's what I meant by it being a whole other level of evil. As for when human life became cheap? Don't ask me, ask the people who play war shooters.Yabu said:-snip-
You don't murder in self-defense either. I mean, it's legal to do so, hence not murder.DVS BSTrD said:You don't rape in self-defense.
I could defend a game with rape IN it but not a game that is ABOUT rape.
Actually that was not my point at all. I am not angered at all about the downplay of murder in video games. I enjoy playing many video games where the protagonist is given the opportunity to commit murder or even does it as a plot point.hooksashands said:Here's the problem: Murder has already become commonplace in videogames. There is literally nothing we can do as a society to de-engineer games with respawn points and slow motion kill cams, things that trivialize and glorify death. Rape is still taboo. I understand your anger about how killing is downplayed but honestly, it's out of our hands now. But if nothing else we have to keep rape morally deplorable because we've failed to do that with murder.Yabu said:But I suppose "It could be worse, they could be killing real people" is okay?hooksashands said:Is it really right to go with the "It could be worse, they could be raping real people" hand-wave here? To me that's even worse. Not that they're raping fictional characters, but that we have to cater to them as our very own rapist demographic... or else. That scares me. A lot.daltonlaffs said:Whether or not you or I like the idea of rape is irrelevant, as irrelevant as the fact that some religious extremists think all forms of violent media should be banned. It's victimless, and if anything, it's preventing the horrible acts it depicts by giving people that are considering them a harmless alternative to the real thing.
Fair point, I could have worded my original post a bit better. Oh there's absolutely a line between reality and fiction, I'm not one of those people who thinks people can't tell the difference. I just can't understand why anyone would enjoy playing a game where the objective was to rape, much less defend it as something that should exist. As for real life murderer or rapist, either has crossed the moral event horizon, they're both deplorable acts and there's no coming back from it. I guess rape just disturbs me more for some reason.Yabu said:-snip-