The thing is, I think most every Steam user knows better than to buy crap like this.canadamus_prime said:Holy shit. That's just sad. Steam really needs to get it's act together or it's not going survive. If stuff like this continues Steam is going to earn itself the reputation of the place where all the shit is and people are going to look elsewhere. ...at least I hope so.
On thwe other hand, if you own hectars of land under the label of "parks" all accross and around a city, you might eventually have to update your perceptions and acknowledge that some of these areas actually *are* dumps, while others are "recreational gardens".Thanatos2k said:At some point, Valve is going to have to do something and institute some standards. Just because the PC platform is "open" is no excuse.
Parks are considered nice open free environments, but eventually you have to put up a "No Dumping" sign.
Disagree agree completely "PC" and "Steam" are very different things. Just having a PC doesn't give you the same set of tools and information that having Steam does. Likewise "Jimothy's Steam recommendation list" is also different from Steam's recommendation list. How Jimmy determines his recommendation is different from Steam.Alterego-X said:Just as I was saying, for the consumer, it is pretty irrelevant whether the overarching open platform on which they buy crappy games is called "the PC" or "Steam", and likewise, it's irrelevant whether the small list from they browse promising games is called "Steam" or "Jimothy's Steam recommendation list".jehk said:So you're saying its in Valve's interest to be anti-consumer.
Well great.
Nothing would happen, there's no legal right to post your opinion in a privately-owned Internet forum, Muxwell can ban anyone he likes for whatever reason he likes. Of course, it's still a terrible business practice and unethical regardless of legality.GamemasterAnthony said:Hmmm...I wonder what would happen if someone dared to, I don't know...threaten Muxwell with litigation for violating people's rights to their opinions? Seriously...I say hit these idiots with the potential for the worst case scenario and they may stop this bullcrap.
What do you think, Jim?
I'm pretty sure that guy didn't read any of what you said to begin with and I find it comical that he somehow looped Sarkeesian into this. He says "it's pc and there is no quality control on an open platform and that's ok" but then goes on about a woman that did a kickstarter to produce videos based on the works she's already started but that is somehow wrong because there's, apparently, quality control on the internet. And the kicker is pretending like there was nothing but civil conversations and arguments against her views and then brushes off the hundreds of rape threats and terrible behavior like defacing web pages or calling her a scammer which really isn't the case. I find it shameful that there are people out there that are more offended by her ideas than the fools that threatened her with rape and murder.Steve2911 said:Read my post again. Her actions themselves weren't necessarily justified (again, it's subjective), but her response to the accusations absolutely was.
And of course the amount matters. $6000 is a tiny amount of money to make any sort of production with.
Anyway, it was stupid of me to be baited by the shit flinging towards the topic of Anita Sarkeesian. It doesn't have to come up in every fucking thread anymore.
You don't HAVE to accept the nuclear waste and just throw up your hands and say "It has to go somewhere, we might as well take it!"Alterego-X said:On thwe other hand, if you own hectars of land under the label of "parks" all accross and around a city, you might eventually have to update your perceptions and acknowledge that some of these areas actually *are* dumps, while others are "recreational gardens".Thanatos2k said:At some point, Valve is going to have to do something and institute some standards. Just because the PC platform is "open" is no excuse.
Parks are considered nice open free environments, but eventually you have to put up a "No Dumping" sign.
What steam needs is not the pretense that they are a small wallled garden, but the admittance that they are the whole city, and need to have both dumps and a few small walled gardens somewhere inside their ecosystems.
That could work. I'm not sure how I feel it tbh. My thing is about drawing a distinction between functionally complete but shitty games versus broken incomplete games.Abnaxis said:Meh, if it's not been played, it should be fair game for a return. I can return a shirt as long as I haven't worn it--doesn't matter if it doesn't fit or if I just decided I don't like the color.jehk said:I take issue with one thing you said. We shouldn't be allowed to return a game that is simply shitty. If that were the case I'd get my money back on CoD in a second. Being able to get our money back on broken or misleading games is a must to save Steam imo.
The problem is drawing the line on "it's not been played." Some games take an hour to get into and find out they suck, while others are finished within an hour.
Honestly, I don't think taking returns for games will ever work, but ideally we could acknowledge this fact an try to come up with some other recourse to give dissatisfied customers that can't be abused. That's a tough one, though.
Agreed.veloper said:I remain unconcerned.
Seriously, who buys this shit anyway? We complain about the mediocrity of the bigger titles made by bigger companies (and rightly so), so why would we suddenly forget to stay wary of random garage developers asking for our money in advance?
Early access games like this are just more clutter on Steam and it's already a massive pile. No big deal.
Ignoring all the early access is the easy part and who browses through everything available on Steam anyway?
I don't think that Muxwell really cares what people think about his game, at least not in the long term. He's just trying to hide and publicly dismiss criticism for as long as possible so he can milk his game for as long and hard as he can. And once the game no longer sells he will just run off with the cash and you won't see him again until he tries a different scam. As for his "friends" defending the game. I really think they are just sockpuppets or prehaps people who where payed to defend the game.GAunderrated said:Early Access is only a problem because consumers doesn't have the patience to actually research before impulse buying. If developers saw that people were only buying quality products and did their due diligence, they wouldn't feel so comfortable shoveling out crap to bait a few suckers.
That of course is no excuse for a shitty developer trying to silence the community because Hammerpoint Interactive tried that with WarZ aka infestation survivor stories and we all know how well that turned out.
Really the curious thing out of the boom of the indie developers is just how awful they are at responding to massive hate or an explosion of popularity and increased expectations. You would think they have seen enough examples to at least know when to step away from the keyboard and not try dumb things like getting friends to post the games praise.