If you think legitimacy will stop Fox News from attacking games, you haven't been paying attention. But then, your "PURITANS" statement kinda confirmed that.dashiz94 said:
Jimquisition: Taking Videogames Seriously
- Thread starter Jimothy Sterling
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You made it sound like only gamers want their hobby to get taken seriously but people in pretty much all forms of media want that.
Movies and books are taken more serious because they're much older then games so it seems to many like most people look down on games, whether that matters or not is debatable of course but it's normal human behaviour wanting others to acknowledge things you like, so I don't see the problem.
Movies and books are taken more serious because they're much older then games so it seems to many like most people look down on games, whether that matters or not is debatable of course but it's normal human behaviour wanting others to acknowledge things you like, so I don't see the problem.
I have mixed feelings about this... I suppose it´s true that we can like whatever the fuck we like, and say "fuck you" to anyone who disagrees, but honestly, we humans constantly strive for approval. I don´t really think that we should take games "seriously" as an art-form or anything, since it´s made mostly to be fun, but having that general underlying disapproval of gaming as both a hobby and a career, is quite disheartening.
I liked how Jim ended this one.
For that matter, I really enjoyed Shadow the hedgehog (the game), and I honestly don't care that everyone hated it. Yeah, I know it was a crappy game, and I know WHY it's a crappy game (awful story, dialogue, shit attempts at "maturity", etc), but the game itself was damn fun, and I honestly don't care if people mock me for liking it.
Anyway, Jim made his point well. Well done.
For that matter, I really enjoyed Shadow the hedgehog (the game), and I honestly don't care that everyone hated it. Yeah, I know it was a crappy game, and I know WHY it's a crappy game (awful story, dialogue, shit attempts at "maturity", etc), but the game itself was damn fun, and I honestly don't care if people mock me for liking it.
Anyway, Jim made his point well. Well done.
Games will be taken seriously when people who actually know a damn thing about them gain power in whatever outlet you're seeking approval from. Government, film, whatever, when everybody has played games, THEN they'll be taken seriously.
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Well, some of them. Point is it's probably not happening any time soon. So shut up. The end.
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Well, some of them. Point is it's probably not happening any time soon. So shut up. The end.
Who do we want to take games seriously?
The people in governments who might ban them otherwise, and perhaps influential people who has a reputation of being able to sway peoples opinion about them and yes that includes Fox News?
It's more that as gamers we don't want laws that will inhibit us from playing video games.
The people in governments who might ban them otherwise, and perhaps influential people who has a reputation of being able to sway peoples opinion about them and yes that includes Fox News?
It's more that as gamers we don't want laws that will inhibit us from playing video games.
I guess it depends on the context of the arguement.
I don't share the aprriciation for paintings, sculpture or the films Ebert likes, but I don't decry the whole medium because only things I like and appriciate can possibly be artistic. And if I was any kind of public voice, let alone a major one, I'd be careful about making such a statement. Fox news thinks the medium should be self censoring to be kid friendly at all times (and of right wing values but that another topic) like televison once was. The VGAs, well, I say that if the porn industry can give out awards for anal sex with dignity and decorum, we can put the fart jokes and marketing down for a couple of hours to truely thank the people behind the hobby we love so much.
I'm not needing justification, but I think the idustry runs the risk of stagnation if people think and provide justification that it's just a hobby of overaged man children still in their mother's basements. I'd prefer videogaming not to go the way of amierican animation or comic books because the narrow views of what they were and could be were rarely pushed in a positive way.
I don't share the aprriciation for paintings, sculpture or the films Ebert likes, but I don't decry the whole medium because only things I like and appriciate can possibly be artistic. And if I was any kind of public voice, let alone a major one, I'd be careful about making such a statement. Fox news thinks the medium should be self censoring to be kid friendly at all times (and of right wing values but that another topic) like televison once was. The VGAs, well, I say that if the porn industry can give out awards for anal sex with dignity and decorum, we can put the fart jokes and marketing down for a couple of hours to truely thank the people behind the hobby we love so much.
I'm not needing justification, but I think the idustry runs the risk of stagnation if people think and provide justification that it's just a hobby of overaged man children still in their mother's basements. I'd prefer videogaming not to go the way of amierican animation or comic books because the narrow views of what they were and could be were rarely pushed in a positive way.
Games have to be taken seriously by developers, not the other people. And just because I say this it doesnt mean that I dont like the fun games, I like them, I would just like to see the serious games go further on what a game could be (more then what they are at the moment, a lot more)
Also Jim, stop giving weak arguments for the "other" side to make your opinion stronger.
Also Jim, stop giving weak arguments for the "other" side to make your opinion stronger.
I less want them to be taken seriously and more want people to stop considering them as a thing for children. A toy.
They're as adult as books, movies and TV, sometimes moreso, and yet plenty of people still consider them a toy.
I don't even know how many times I've been asked when I'll grow out of video games. A question that disgusts me.
They're as adult as books, movies and TV, sometimes moreso, and yet plenty of people still consider them a toy.
I don't even know how many times I've been asked when I'll grow out of video games. A question that disgusts me.
I agree sir, both serious and unserious games are fun, it's like saying to end comedy in the film industry because it's not serious. There are games with messages, and there are game where you fight STDs in people's genitalia. Enjoy both and shut up. Those who piss on videogames know very little about them.mjc0961 said:
I used to take video games seriously... then I took an arrow in the knee.
Yeah, that's too easy.
Yeah, that's too easy.
I never said it would stop them attacking games, I said it would prevent them from having a legitimate basis to petition Congress to ban, restrict, etc. games and gaming material. And what's wrong with my comment regarding the Puritans? Puritan settlements banned books because it kept the kids indoors and not working outside, and this happened to be the same culture of people to perform the Salem Witch Trials, I'm not following how my comment on that makes me ignorant.Zachary Amaranth said:
Watching this made me think a little. On one hand, I think people want the broad form of Mass Media to take them seriously. Then I realize that other forms of media already cover games. Magazines like USA today and Entertainment Weekly talk about them and review them. We have video game magazines like Gameinformer and Nintendo Power that talks about them. X-Play is a T.V shows that talks about video games(yeah I know it's on a cable only show and their aren't a lot of people who like it, but it's a start.). I also think people want games to be talked on and taken seriously as Movies and Film. But, as you said yourself Jim, Video Games are not film. They can not be talked on the same level because they have their own level. Video Game have their own level.
