One question: why?Wookie 1 said:That needs to change, it doesnt matter if we take us seriously really, it matters if the important within society does.
One question: why?Wookie 1 said:That needs to change, it doesnt matter if we take us seriously really, it matters if the important within society does.
The important within our society has huge powers over us and this industry as a whole, you only have to look at the various laws proposed by various groups over the years to see what I mean, games are currently not taken even vaguely seriously by the major decision makers.Zom-B said:One question: why?Wookie 1 said:That needs to change, it doesnt matter if we take us seriously really, it matters if the important within society does.
Utterly disagree. There's lots of creative product that isn't beholden to some influential group of rich people in order to be "good" or "taken seriously".Wookie 1 said:The important within our society has huge powers over us and this industry as a whole, you only have to look at the various laws proposed by various groups over the years to see what I mean, games are currently not taken even vaguely seriously by the major decision makers.Zom-B said:One question: why?Wookie 1 said:That needs to change, it doesnt matter if we take us seriously really, it matters if the important within society does.
There was a brief blink and you'd miss it tax break for the games industry in the United Kingdom, much as there remains for Films, nobody even vaguely suggested touching the film industry's tax break and yet its worth less to the economy as far as I know.
You can also see this in the Senatorial report earlier on protesting aginst the spending on the preservation of gaming history.
I could list dozens of examples, its only because the industry gets the occasional bit of serious treatment that things like the Californian legislation did not end up succesful in the Supreme Court.
You have utterly misunderstood me, I dont the industry to be Hollywoodised and I agree most big blockbustery type movies made there are bad. My point was more that while games are not taken seriously they are threatened, as much as we dont like to think about it we are outside of the major accepted hobbies for a great many within the elite of our nations, that may not matter to most and it probably shouldnt. But, it threatens us much more than any of us would like when you still have people like Senator Yee from California or Keith Vaz in Britain who will fail to see why our industry is justified in existing. I recall reading a statistic that of the 650 MP's in the current Parliament fewer than 100 had understanding properly of video games and of those who had voted the majority had voted on early day motions condemning the industry as a whole.Zom-B said:Utterly disagree. There's lots of creative product that isn't beholden to some influential group of rich people in order to be "good" or "taken seriously".Wookie 1 said:The important within our society has huge powers over us and this industry as a whole, you only have to look at the various laws proposed by various groups over the years to see what I mean, games are currently not taken even vaguely seriously by the major decision makers.Zom-B said:One question: why?Wookie 1 said:That needs to change, it doesnt matter if we take us seriously really, it matters if the important within society does.
There was a brief blink and you'd miss it tax break for the games industry in the United Kingdom, much as there remains for Films, nobody even vaguely suggested touching the film industry's tax break and yet its worth less to the economy as far as I know.
You can also see this in the Senatorial report earlier on protesting aginst the spending on the preservation of gaming history.
I could list dozens of examples, its only because the industry gets the occasional bit of serious treatment that things like the Californian legislation did not end up succesful in the Supreme Court.
If all you want is mainstream acceptance so that the video game industry can continue to shit out sequels and soulless triple A FPSes, that's fine, but the industry doesn't need to be taken seriously to survive, put out great games or have free reign in terms of content.
What you want is the a video game Hollywood. I don't, because on average Hollywood makes the world's shittiest movies.
I could add more to that list, also look at Australia, Syndicate is now banned there because key decision makers believe that it should not see the light of Austrailian day, doesnt matter how much YOU like it, the government has just come in and said no, you cannot play this game no matter how much you may like your hobby.Jove said:Six Days in Fallujah, and Imagination is the Only Escape. Come on Jim, and come on people, if you don't think the mainstream public/media matters, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! Because of them, gamers everywhere have lost out on those two games and the US Government had to have a freaking voting in the supreme court if Video Games can even be considered an art form.
Ok, I did misunderstand your point. You've made yourself clear, however, I still disagree that having the approval of certain members of society is supremely important.Wookie 1 said:You have utterly misunderstood me, I dont the industry to be Hollywoodised and I agree most big blockbustery type movies made there are bad. My point was more that while games are not taken seriously they are threatened, as much as we dont like to think about it we are outside of the major accepted hobbies for a great many within the elite of our nations, that may not matter to most and it probably shouldnt. But, it threatens us much more than any of us would like when you still have people like Senator Yee from California or Keith Vaz in Britain who will fail to see why our industry is justified in existing. I recall reading a statistic that of the 650 MP's in the current Parliament fewer than 100 had understanding properly of video games and of those who had voted the majority had voted on early day motions condemning the industry as a whole.
So yes, I do think we need that level of beign taken seriously not to end up at a legal dead end. Or (this bit is personal opinion and unsupported)like Comic Books where they had to rename to graphic novels and still sturggle to get more than token acknowledgement as legitimate.
Anyway You misunderstood my point entirely. Its not so that we can become like movies in the lack of creativity its that we can become like them in the sense that its only crazies who believe they should be censored unto death and possibly made illegal, in a THINK OF THE CHILDREN sort of way.
Reading up Jove a couple of posts up the page makes my point wonderfully:
I could add more to that list, also look at Australia, Syndicate is now banned there because key decision makers believe that it should not see the light of Austrailian day, doesnt matter how much YOU like it, the government has just come in and said no, you cannot play this game no matter how much you may like your hobby.Jove said:Six Days in Fallujah, and Imagination is the Only Escape. Come on Jim, and come on people, if you don't think the mainstream public/media matters, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! Because of them, gamers everywhere have lost out on those two games and the US Government had to have a freaking voting in the supreme court if Video Games can even be considered an art form.
That, that right there is why we need to be taken seriously.
(also read the Lowkey post Directly below the Jove one, in which he also makes my point involving SOPA).