Jimquisition: The Creepy Cull of Female Protagonists

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mbarker

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when I looked at the Bioshock Infinite box I wondered why Elizabeth wasn't front and center on the cover. I shrugged my shoulders and thought it was just stupid designers designing box art.

Then I was wondering why every one was making such a big deal about the cover art. so I went to the poll and voted for the one with Elizabeth thinking these are really weird selections.

Then I watched this and realized I was not taking notice of this stuff most likely because I'm clumped in an out of date marketing model for so long I didn't notice what was being done right under my nose. I would prefer the box art to match the game and I'm pretty sure sales won't be effected if a chick is on the front cover.
 

predatorpulse7

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Why do people keep on pushing this "moar females" crap onto every major gaming website? Females aren't prominent in "hardcore" gaming(read: the medium buget titles up to AAA) because it is male dominated through and through(most of the programmers and audience are males) and will probably always be, 90% of those games are male empowerement fantasies with varying degrees in quality. On the other hand, women are highly represented on the more casual front, lots of them play mobile,indie games. The Nintedo wii reached such high numbers in sales because its casualised look and feel, with games that could break away from the run and gun/sword and bash that most AAA titles seem to offer and it is no surprised that lots of women love this console. I own pretty much every gaming platform out there but when people in my group are bored, the girls almost always want to play Wii games even when presented with other console options. Argue about stereotypes all you want but IMO it is girls/women that made SIMS the huge success that it was and that was basically an advanced "let's play house" scenario. None of my male friends played SIMS(except for maybe 5-10 minutes to see the hype) whereas my female gamer friends LOVED THE S**T out of it and bought almost every expansion for the SIMS games.

If we want more women into the AAA business side of things then the huge number of women programmers and female audience fanbase will have to come knock on our door with something tangible, not to declare that the medium should change their ways and let them in. The guys making the games would change the way they portray females in gaming if girls/women were a huge part of their audience but THEY ARE NOT. This is something that the politically correct crowd can't seem to get to grips with. Sure, their numbers are growing as opposed to years before but it is still VERY SMALL on the AAA side of things. Simply put, there is almost no female audience to develop for in major AAA gaming. This is the "lost audience" that indies seem to lap up because, without the big publisher contrains, they can be a bit more freethinking in their approach. But big companies need to think about the bottom line and most of their audience IS made up of young males who would naturally have problems identifying with a young girl as their avatar.

For those that don't buy into my narrative, think about the most famous female gaming character: Lara Croft. She is basically Indiana Jones with knockers. She is a girl but the guys playing her don't really feel like they are a controlling a gender different than their own, in fact she is another male fantasy, combining the agility,endurance and overall badass-ness of a popular male character with a heaving pair of bossoms to tittilate them. Sure, you get decent female characters like Jade from BGE but they are VERY RARE.

In my experience, few female gamers behave like most of the guy gamers I know, which is to be interested in many gaming websites, read previews, buy AAA titles, try to be constantly updated on the games industry etc. Most game casually and aren't interested in future trends and such. And the ones that do take gaming a bit seriously are a bit more shuned by their group of female friends as sort of weirdos because "serious" gaming is still seen as a guy thing.

The inclusion of more girls/women into major gaming is a numbers game to me, it has nothing to do with changing attitudes with the drop of a word or two. Once you (somehow) get more women into tech fields, that churn out programmers/game designers and such, then you will MAYBE see a change in how women are represented in gaming because they may be represented on a demographic level, especially on the development sides of things(go to most development offices and it's a sausage fest most times). Until then it's just a couple of girls/women and their internet white knights shouting and throwing rocks at the boys treehouse represented by triple A gaming industry and achieving nothing but page hits in the process.
 

mbarker

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I think a huge majority of male gamers and developers are indifferent to females either working on making or playing video games, of course there are exceptions. This kind of misogynistic culture that the gaming industry seems to think is rife in this culture has been fabricated by big money. The metrics indicate that the world of gaming is male orientated; of course Female gamers are going to run into a lot of male focused games and game covers.

I don't really care if a company decides to scrub the chick from their covers or keep them as a flat uninteresting trope in the games. What bothers me is the assumption that all male gamers hate women, and that video game box art is so bloody generic.

I just wish cover art resembled the story represented in the games and the actual statistical data collected is updated and analysed to better represent today?s Male and Female gamer.
 

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Maybe I'm not thinking this through enough, but this basically says that if I enjoy a game that places a woman in such a role (sex object, or tool, or whatever) (barring stuff like DOA-X, that's the other end of the spectrum), that I'm a sad spineless wankmuffin.

And here I was thinking that games (can) have an escape from reality role, they allow you to do things you can't in real life, maybe because they're impossible (being a superhero?) or immoral (murder?).

So if that makes me sexist, does playing Mortal Kombat, Battlefield or Call of Duty make me a murderer? I mean, I enjoy looking at that T&A, and I enjoy shooting that camping son-of-a-*****, but I don't give women less regard in life, nor do I shoot guys that bug me.

That said, publishers forcing game devs to change their vision is bullshit. I mean, I get that publishers want to protect their bottom line, but if a game developer has a desire to make a certain game, that must mean that like minded people would like to buy and play that game.
 

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I learnt about Remember Me when Jim first mentioned it here (already a while back).
It piqued my curiosity specially when told that the game creator had to fight really hard to protect her protagonist (an Errorist named Nilin) from being turned into a man, under the ridiculous reasoning from the publisher that no male would want to play a game where a female protagonist would have a meaningful relationship with a man during the development of the story.
Basically smooching, I suppose, if at all.
I was really very curious to see how this relationship would be presented, how it would influence the story and gameplay. Will he just be a "hook", a "gentleman in distress", a "sidekick", or a true love interest that will make her character the more detailed and real to us?
My impression since then was that Nilin's relationship to that unclarified man was insdispensable to the story and had caused much discomfiture to some segment of the industry related to Remember Me's conception.

I bought it just to find out, and finished the game yesterday. There is not a single trace of anything of the sort in the whole of it.
The game is fun but quite shallow, as are Nilin's human relationships with any and all of the other characters in her story.

I have no idea what hurdles the complaining part (the publisher I believe) could have seen in this character. More than that, I have no clue of how any of those complaints could have even emerged from them. There is absolutely nothing in Remember Me that might've discomposed even the most demented of misogynists.

Very, very strange.