Can't it stop being about ledger for ten seconds? If he hadn't died just after it really would never matter to anyone that he did do it. I think they aren't recasting purely to avoid the worst kind of retard strong nerd rage it would give them rather than respect for him, I'm willing to bet Heath doesn't give a shit about whether or not there is a new joker. If handled with proper writing and the correct actor another joker could be awesome, he escapes arkham and has his face completely changed and lives a whole new life as somone else with the Red Hood secret identity while Batman is busy chasing the jokers ghost the new him is busy fucking him around.
Joker Won't Return in Nolan's Batman Films
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I see very few options besides the Riddler. Which is a good thing because the Riddler is probably the best fit for Nolan's psycho-villain approach.
I see major problems with characters like Clayface, freeze, and Ivy. Nolan is sticking to a semi-real world science in these movies. you can't really have zero-degree villains, amorphous blobs, and carnivorous plants.
I see major problems with characters like Clayface, freeze, and Ivy. Nolan is sticking to a semi-real world science in these movies. you can't really have zero-degree villains, amorphous blobs, and carnivorous plants.
That's actually not a bad idea, Basil Carlo (the first Clayface) started out as a deranged actor who went crazy and dressed up as a slasher villain that he'd previously played. Then he killed a whole bunch of people.ColdStorage said:
Other than that I'd say the Black Mask would be a pretty good villain for the Nolanverse, after all with the criminal power vacuum from the past two movies, a psychopathic but none the less intelligent criminal like Black Mask could easily gain power as a mob boss.
I'm still pretty disappointed that the Penguin won't be in the movies, I know he's not the most intimidating villain ever but his modern incarnation as a sort of low level mafioso/snitch would be good for the movies.
I think the Riddler is the obvious choice for the next villain, maybe as a sort of eccentric super-detective like the guy from the Mentalist. Then he'd go crazy and try to beat Batman by being the ultimate supervillain.
Also, Two-Face felt like a wasted opportunity, he was still great in the movie, but it did seem like killing him off was a waste of a good villain.
N-N-no Mr freeze? 
. Ok now chill everyone, there must another character cool enough to ice the ice based puns?
. Ok now chill everyone, there must another character cool enough to ice the ice based puns?
They can always try to do Bane as he was intended: an intelligent strongman who managed to overwhelm Batman, and break him. Hell, it could lead a recuperating Bruce Wayne to take time off at the circus, seeing the Flying Graysons and the tragedy that befalls young Dick. While that's going on, Bane can been shown as attempting to control Gotham's underworld. This can lead him to ally himself with Tony Zuko, the man responsible for the Grayson's deaths.
Throw in a montage of Bruce healing and Dick training, then have it lead up to a rematch with Bane, which can now be in Batman's favor for he has a partner who can help him. Finish if off with them apprehending Zuko, show Batman and Robin doing something...err--Batman and Robin-ish? And roll credits.
You can pick this apart for all it's worth, but keep in mind this is a movie I just made up on the spot. I personally would love to see Clayface adapted to the silver-screen, but that can't really happen, given how grounded in realism the Nolan films have been.
Throw in a montage of Bruce healing and Dick training, then have it lead up to a rematch with Bane, which can now be in Batman's favor for he has a partner who can help him. Finish if off with them apprehending Zuko, show Batman and Robin doing something...err--Batman and Robin-ish? And roll credits.
You can pick this apart for all it's worth, but keep in mind this is a movie I just made up on the spot. I personally would love to see Clayface adapted to the silver-screen, but that can't really happen, given how grounded in realism the Nolan films have been.
id like either riddler or clayface(despite however unlikely), but thinking about the batman series....
i forgot the guys name but i always liked that man that keeps taking a swim in a pit that would make him younger again to extend his life, which also made him extremely angry and attack anyone he sees after just coming out of it. He always referred to batman as "detective" and his daughter was a love interest for batman? that character (and daughter obviously) seems like a VERY interesting direction for Batman 3 to go. and with Rachel dead Batman gets a new love interest out of it.
can someone remind me the guy's name, i am no batman expert but i remember this villan well in the batman cartoons of the 90s (which were AWESOME)?
i forgot the guys name but i always liked that man that keeps taking a swim in a pit that would make him younger again to extend his life, which also made him extremely angry and attack anyone he sees after just coming out of it. He always referred to batman as "detective" and his daughter was a love interest for batman? that character (and daughter obviously) seems like a VERY interesting direction for Batman 3 to go. and with Rachel dead Batman gets a new love interest out of it.
can someone remind me the guy's name, i am no batman expert but i remember this villan well in the batman cartoons of the 90s (which were AWESOME)?
i woud prefer to see some of the lesser used villans, like scarface and dummy, clock king, or the mad hatter, done properly they could be great, though i was sorely unimpressed with nolan's version of scarecrow, that could have been handled alot better.
Ra's al Ghul, he was Liam Neeson's character in Batman Begins and he was quite different from the source material.ryuke2009 said:
I'm disappointed that he won't even consider the Penguin. He could have worked well. Someone who comes in and fills the gaps after all the crime bosses are gone thanks to the Joker and Two-Face killing them off. He wouldn't be a main villain, obviously, but someone in the background, running the show behind the scenes.
I heard he doesn't like Catwoman either. Who else could he go with? I have a hard time seeing the Riddler work, honestly. There's never been a back-story for the Riddler that would fit in with the way that Nolan has been doing these films. I didn't expect Mr. Freeze (although he is my favorite), just because of the freeze gun thing, same thing with Poison Ivy (and thinking of the two in the same sentence brings painful memories back to the surface). Who could it be? It might be interesting to see Bane get a reboot. He was an interesting character in TAS.
I heard he doesn't like Catwoman either. Who else could he go with? I have a hard time seeing the Riddler work, honestly. There's never been a back-story for the Riddler that would fit in with the way that Nolan has been doing these films. I didn't expect Mr. Freeze (although he is my favorite), just because of the freeze gun thing, same thing with Poison Ivy (and thinking of the two in the same sentence brings painful memories back to the surface). Who could it be? It might be interesting to see Bane get a reboot. He was an interesting character in TAS.
I don't think that bringing the penguin back would be a good idea, the original would be an extremely hard act to follow.
oh well that's kind of disappointing lol, i really liked him in the batman tv show, the real version of Ra's al Ghul is far more interesting but all well.SilverHammerMan said:
ryuke2009 said:
Ra's al ghoul, the one who in the frist nolan batman flick trained batman, and was the "main" villan of that one...
in case you forgot
damnit everyone got to it while i was typing, ah well...