Its been 8 years, its getting to the point where people bitching about Firefly is getting really annoying
Joss Whedon Is Still Bitter About Firefly
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I'm still bitter about it because it was definitely one of the greatest TV series in the world... But then again they did kill off my favourite character from the series in its movie so I wouldn't watch it even if they didn't cancel it.
I enjoyed Dollhouse but it's a tough world when you have to start a show in a serial format and then evolve the larger story arcs after the characters are established.
It could be that I "got" this show because I also liked it the first time when it was called The Pretender. It's a good premise and Eliza Dushku is very very watchable as a lead.
What really makes me question Fox's judgment over Whedon's execution is not so much that they canceled Dollhouse, but that they KEPT Dollhouse for a second season while CANCELING the Terminator series, which was really ramping up into something worthwhile IMO. It was the superior show and if they had to cut one, with all the respect in the world to Whedon, they cut the wrong one. Frankly, my Friday nights were better when they were filled with Dushku AND Summer Glau.
The crime of the death of Whedon's shows is that he really does craft some memorable characters IMO, and the thing with Firefly is that it exemplifies that concept so well. It totally bombed on TV but the people who got to see it loved it, and clamored for a movie, which they got. A movie based on a BOMBED TV SHOW. Not to mention a movie which was heralded as sublime, and one of the better sci-fi movies of its era.
And they did not have to re-invent the wheel to do it; they started with Simon and River immediately - the focal point of the plot - and after the title splash, they introduced all of the characters on board, complete with personality type and station, in a single five-minute scene on the ship, and you get the premise and you're ready to go. It's BETTER if you saw the show but completely unnecessary.
It could be that I "got" this show because I also liked it the first time when it was called The Pretender. It's a good premise and Eliza Dushku is very very watchable as a lead.
What really makes me question Fox's judgment over Whedon's execution is not so much that they canceled Dollhouse, but that they KEPT Dollhouse for a second season while CANCELING the Terminator series, which was really ramping up into something worthwhile IMO. It was the superior show and if they had to cut one, with all the respect in the world to Whedon, they cut the wrong one. Frankly, my Friday nights were better when they were filled with Dushku AND Summer Glau.
The crime of the death of Whedon's shows is that he really does craft some memorable characters IMO, and the thing with Firefly is that it exemplifies that concept so well. It totally bombed on TV but the people who got to see it loved it, and clamored for a movie, which they got. A movie based on a BOMBED TV SHOW. Not to mention a movie which was heralded as sublime, and one of the better sci-fi movies of its era.
And they did not have to re-invent the wheel to do it; they started with Simon and River immediately - the focal point of the plot - and after the title splash, they introduced all of the characters on board, complete with personality type and station, in a single five-minute scene on the ship, and you get the premise and you're ready to go. It's BETTER if you saw the show but completely unnecessary.
The new Trek film was horrible, I walked out of there going "how did the get the characters so right but the plot so wrong"Scrumpmonkey said:
Dude, you need to step back and realize that age has nothing to do with the validity of an IP. Firefly may be 8 years old, but it's also THAT GOOD.Hallow said:
Okay, Escapist posters, negativity to Whedon about Dollhouse or Buffy or Alien Resurrection I guess I can understand, but negativity against Firefly? That's...that's damn near inconceivable.
I don't believe in many universal truths. I don't think death and taxes are inevitable; science very well may some day find a way to imbue immortality, and taxes are already avoidable if you're rich enough. I don't believe that the sun will rise every day, because eventually, millions of years from now, it will explode and consume our solar system. But one universal constant, one absolute truth, was this: all geeks love Firefly.
You people have shattered my worldview. I don't know what to think.
I don't believe in many universal truths. I don't think death and taxes are inevitable; science very well may some day find a way to imbue immortality, and taxes are already avoidable if you're rich enough. I don't believe that the sun will rise every day, because eventually, millions of years from now, it will explode and consume our solar system. But one universal constant, one absolute truth, was this: all geeks love Firefly.
You people have shattered my worldview. I don't know what to think.
It really isn't. The western thing was half assed, and it's basically star wars (better yet, LOTR) with River as the last jedi.Flying-Emu said:
Firefly could have been Star Trek big, Dollhouse on the other hand didn't win me over.
I'm interested in what he'll come up with in the future. The man's got the chops, he just needs a new hook.
I'm interested in what he'll come up with in the future. The man's got the chops, he just needs a new hook.
Well, the majority of the people on this board would disagree with you. But that's alright. Entitled to your opinion and whatnot.Hallow said:
He worked on Alien Resurrection? I loved that movie. I honestly liked it more than Alen 3.
But who isn't bitter about Firefly?
Commies and FOX, thats it.
But who isn't bitter about Firefly?
Commies and FOX, thats it.
Wait, did you just say "screw up The Avengers"? Joss doesn't screw things up, they're screwed up for him.
And they made him a doll that makes a show about dolls just as a cruel way to further their sadistic pleasure.008Zulu said:
OT: I didn't watch Firefly and Serenity until early this year, but I enjoyed them immensely, there are very few shows I enjoyed more.
Still a tragedy that Firefly was cancelled.
I have long given up hope for that show coming back, though. What's there was amazing, as well.
I have long given up hope for that show coming back, though. What's there was amazing, as well.
You sir are going to the special part of hell, the one where they send people who talk at the pictures. Ok yes it is true I should get over it, but if I am in my 20's and still haven't forgiven my parents for putting me on this planet what are the chances I will forgive fox for messing up one of the few things I love?Hallow said:
The firefly wound is never allowed to fully heal as every time I see a bas space tv show it reminds me of what I lost and what crap the public is watching now. Salt into my wounded heart.
In a galaxy far, far away...SpiderJerusalem said:
The Empire has taken over. The Rebels defeated, remain on the outer brinks in worlds that vaguely resembles the Wild West. A band of hearty travelers who were once part of the rebel alliance are now workers for hire. Their band consists of Aragon, Han solo and his wife Lorien Chewbacca, Gimli, a whore, a hippie, ben kanobi, a doctor, and the last jedi named Frodo. However frodo is merely a byproduct from an experiment gone awry which led to the creation of orcs that roam the galaxy and kill anyone/thing in their path. The band of travelers become family in their quest to escape the Empire's clutches and foil their evil plans. While frodo strives to attain inner peace, dealing with the increasing burden his powers give him.
Maybe I am taking things out of context. But for me, it's just so easy to draw parallels from both worlds that all meaning is lost when I try to watch Firefly. I've seen the show, and the movie, and I thought it was bad.
You wanna know what show I'm pissed off about (but I've made my peace with)?
Dead Like Me
The movie was complete shit, even the cast admitted it, but Dead Like Me is infinitely better than Firefly.
like where? cause i pretty much covered the basics, I didn't go all out, like mentioning the romance between Kaylee and Simon
and it's not just star wars, but also LOTR is present
and it's not just star wars, but also LOTR is present