Judge in Rittenhouse case might be a tad biased.

[Dwarvenhobble]

How do you figure? The prosecution, with all of that video evidence of self defense, existing gun laws that could have been reviewed but were not so that the court had to throw that charge out, brought this case anyway. The prosecutor, lied, withheld evidence, tampered with evidence, ignored the judges instructions when he could have submitted a motion for reconsideration, tried to violate the Defendant's right to remain silent. That is a hell of a lot of enthusiasm from a government officer who you write, did not want this trial to happen.
I hope he and his partner at a minimum, have their licenses suspended.

Rumour has it that the lead prosecutor job is coming open and they're looking for some-one to fill it and also said prosecutor in the Rittenhouse trial shares the same surname as the Kenosha Mayor and the DA.........

Yes, because people actually took police brutality so seriously when there weren't riots. That's a definitely true thing that happened. The riots appeared out of nowhere and nothing and definitely wasn't the result of years of escalating and unpunished police violence

Name one time a fascist group collapsed without either A) getting its collective head caved in and/or B) committing an act of violence so bloody and blatant that the government was eventually shamed into actually doing something about it

They actually did which it's why many people happily supported the idea of body cams.......... then some of the same people calling for body cams were calling for the removal of them because of incidents where they claimed brutality or abuse happened and then the police just release body camera footage which showed incontrovertibly that it didn't happen like the claims being passed round by a number of quite big talking heads on social media about a highway officer assaulting a female prisoner when continuous body camera footage was taken from the moment she was pulled over until she was in the cell even showing he refused to do anything more than a very basic search of her and had requested a female officer turn up to do a proper in depth pat down search.

 

[SilentPony]

Golly Gee willikers Batman, this sure is a surprise!

Tucker Carlson Has Been Filming A 'Documentary' With Kyle Rittenhouse

"Different scenarios run through your head ... like what could have happened, like what if I wasn’t alive?” Rittenhouse said in a Fox News clip.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Dreiko]

Golly Gee willikers Batman, this sure is a surprise!

Tucker Carlson Has Been Filming A 'Documentary' With Kyle Rittenhouse

"Different scenarios run through your head ... like what could have happened, like what if I wasn’t alive?” Rittenhouse said in a Fox News clip.

www.yahoo.com

Tucker Kyle 2024. They'd prolly win too.

 

[SilentPony]

Tucker Kyle 2024. They'd prolly win too.

Probably, yeah. And its clear laws don't apply to Rittenhouse, so that whole "need to be 35" to be President will just get tossed, because he's such as good kid.

 

[Dreiko]

Probably, yeah. And its clear laws don't apply to Rittenhouse, so that whole "need to be 35" to be President will just get tossed, because he's such as good kid.

Well I had him as vice president cause I was aware of the law, that's not age-restricted right? Either way yeah, who is even running from the democrats in 24? Kamala? Yeesh.

 

[Seanchaidh]

ell I had him as vice president cause I was aware of the law, that's not age-restricted right?

The Vice President must qualify to be President in order to be Vice President.

 

[Dreiko]

The Vice President must qualify to be President in order to be Vice President.

Huh I guess that makes sense. Never thought about it before now.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Huh I guess that makes sense. Never thought about it before now.

What's it like in your birthland for this sort of thing?

 

[Dreiko]

What's it like in your birthland for this sort of thing?

I'm not sure actually, I wasn't of voting age when I moved to the US and I was totally apolitical growing up too so I didn't pay attention to that stuff at all. About all I knew was that voting was mandatory and you would get a hefty fine if you didn't vote cause my parents would take me with them when they went to vote when I was too young to be left alone at home lol.


In that sense it always feels a little weird that voting is not only not mandatory but often discouraged here.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Then the prosecutor should have been able to point to it - that (3)(c) can just be completely ignored as written and just means "or is currently hunting" would certainly have some convenient case law to point to. Or it doesn't, because there haven't been any 17 year olds with rifles or shotguns not meeting any of the conditions in (3)(c) successfully charged with that crime. Want to bet which it is?

As has been pointed out, they would have to appeal it in a separate court, which is why the judge didn't make his ruling until the end of the trial when it would be too late to do so. And he mocked them over it. It's why I don't think the judge made a sound decision, he's just an asshole, and what conservatives would call an activist judge.

 

[SilentPony]

In that sense it always feels a little weird that voting is not only not mandatory but often discouraged here.

It is odd. And this kinda goes back to my thoughts on people getting out of Jury duty - why? Its a civic duty, no matter how boring.
And my anger you can be punished by your boss for it - the fuck?!

Voting should not be mandatory. Its your civic duty to vote, yes, but no one should be able to force you. But election day should absolutely be a national holiday, and the Government should bend over backwards to make voting as straight forward as possible. Funnily enough, Im actually in favor of voter ID laws. I do take election integrity seriously. But I also think the Government should provide those ID free of charge to all eligible voters, and that the process should be all but full automated and allow for speedy issuing of the cards. Request the paperwork by phone/mail/email, its sent in a pre-stamped envelope, fill it out, send it back, week later your Government issued voter ID is in the mail, all of process completely free. And no real test should be required, save not-felon, old enough to vote, and citizen. Everything else is immaterial.

 

[Hades]

Funny how all that happened, but it still required an election to put the Nazis in power, and the groups who decided the right strategy was meet the nazis with even greater violence managed to drive the votes to the nazis.

Just a quick thing to note but the Nazi never actually won the vote as is popularly believed.

Also its not like the left had any choice but to arm themselves because the competition surely was arming themselves against the left.

 

[Mister Mumbler]

I mean, that was certainly part of it, since Rosenbaum can be heard in one video talking about want to "jack them" and "steal they guns" - but I suspect that's not what you mean.

"I suspect that's not what you mean."...why though? Because that is what I mean, further supported by this;

Maybe Rossenbaum wanted to succeed in a second suicide attempt, maybe he thought Rittenhouse was "all talk" and wouldn't pull the trigger? There were other people with fucking rifles that night, Rossenbaum was seen ON VIDEO trying to provoke them and yelling, "Shoot me n#%^er!!!" so this idea that Rittenhouse is special in some way is ignoring blatant facts. Fact of the matter is, Rossenbaum took off his shirt and wrapped it around his head before he chased Rittenhouse, why did he do that? Again, why. did. he. do. that?! I implore everyone here to ask themselves that and use basic deduction as to why someone would cover their face before chasing someone they threatened earlier that night. Everything we know about Rossenbaum indicates nothing, absolutely fucking nothing, about him that would indicate he was some kind of civic minded person concerned about other people, of which, one fact is that he had anally raped young boys before, and had tried to commit suicide.

Okay, so follow with me: If Rosenbaum was indeed trying to goad people into shooting and killing him...why would he have killed, or even gone after, an unarmed Rittenhouse? Plus, it still singles out Rittenhouse, just now with all of the other people who openly carried firearms around that night, which again, he could have chose not to (or better yet, just not have shown up to a place he figured was extremely dangerous because being a part-time lifeguard does not make one an EMT or paramedic, much less armed security).

 

[Silvanus]

Funny how all that happened, but it still required an election to put the Nazis in power [...]

??? Hitler lost the only election in which he stood. He was then later appointed Chancellor without any election. He was never elected.

 

[tstorm823]

Yes, because people actually took police brutality so seriously when there weren't riots. That's a definitely true thing that happened. The riots appeared out of nowhere and nothing and definitely wasn't the result of years of escalating and unpunished police violence

The riot in Kenosha was not backlash over police brutality. The riots were violent criminals using protestors as cover for their crimes. Stop conflating protests and riots, you do a huge disservice to activists and give insanely too much credit to arbitrary violence.

Name one time a fascist group collapsed without either A) getting its collective head caved in and/or B) committing an act of violence so bloody and blatant that the government was eventually shamed into actually doing something about it

I cannot name a time any group ever collapsed without either being forced to or choosing to, as that is a comprehensive list of reasons to collapse.

Just a quick thing to note but the Nazi never actually won the vote as is popularly believed.

Yes, they did. The won the most seats in the Reichstag, allowing them to start appointing their people into positions of authority and leverage that to eventually seize the whole government. They didn't have an actual majority of the seats, but they didn't need to, as the communists decided that street violence was a more effective mechanism for change than cooperation with the moderates. Which is exactly the thing I'm criticizing Revnak for supporting.

??? Hitler lost the only election in which he stood. He was then later appointed Chancellor without any election. He was never elected.

He was appointed Chancellor... because the Nazi party had the political leverage to make that happen... because they won lots of seats in the elections.

 

[Trunkage]

Just a quick thing to note but the Nazi never actually won the vote as is popularly believed.

Also its not like the left had any choice but to arm themselves because the competition surely was arming themselves against the left.

Man, I thought it was common knowledge thaf von Papen convinced Hindenburg to allow the Nazis to take power.

Just like there were a bunch of guns laws created so Jews and Comminist couldn't get them but Nazis and their allies could

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I cannot name a time any group ever collapsed without either being forced to or choosing to, as that is a comprehensive list of reasons to collapse.

"With violence" being the operative modifier. Not a lot of haymakers or vehicular manslaughter involved when ACORN collapsed

 

[Hades]

Yes, they did. The won the most seats in the Reichstag, allowing them to start appointing their people into positions of authority and leverage that to eventually seize the whole government. They didn't have an actual majority of the seats, but they didn't need to, as the communists decided that street violence was a more effective mechanism for change than cooperation with the moderates. Which is exactly the thing I'm criticizing Revnak for supporting.

They won the most seat but not a majority. To start appointing people they needed the traditional conservatives and they needed to make a pact with Hindenburg. And it mus be stressed that the conservatives needed no additional convincing from communist riots to know that they absolutely detested anything left of the old Prussian elites.

 

[Agema]

They didn't have an actual majority of the seats, but they didn't need to, as the communists decided that street violence was a more effective mechanism for change than cooperation with the moderates.

That's an... "interesting" take on things.

Political violence in Weimar Germany was rife. There was borderline civil war at the end of WWI, but as the country stabilised in the early 20s political violence was overwhelmingly continued by right-wing paramilitaries associated with the conservative nationalist DNVP, and later by the Nazis when they eclipsed the DNVP.

Leftist elements ramped up street violence significantly later ~1930, because of the near impunity with which the DNVP and Nazi party were invading left wing areas of cities to brutalise and intimidate them, and the associated rise of the Nazi Party. Thus never mind the element of community self-defence in their mobilisation, the communists deciding street violence was effective has to viewed in light of the Nazis already demonstrating that it was effective.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

"I suspect that's not what you mean."...why though? Because that is what I mean, further supported by this;

Okay, so follow with me: If Rosenbaum was indeed trying to goad people into shooting and killing him...why would he have killed, or even gone after, an unarmed Rittenhouse? Plus, it still singles out Rittenhouse, just now with all of the other people who openly carried firearms around that night, which again, he could have chose not to (or better yet, just not have shown up to a place he figured was extremely dangerous because being a part-time lifeguard does not make one an EMT or paramedic, much less armed security).

Plenty of other armed people out that night not merely Rittenhouse especially at that lot. Rosenbaum would have just gone after one of them instead.

Also again Kyle was probably better medically trained than 90% of the AntiFA street medic lot running around these protests.