Just When You Thought They Couldn't Go Any Lower...
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I was pissed when I heard that they were protesting the funerals of two cops who died in the line of duty in my town this week, but this... kids...
Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised. When a group is so bad that even the KKK is against them, you know they've hit rock bottom and are steadily tunnelling deeper.
Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised. When a group is so bad that even the KKK is against them, you know they've hit rock bottom and are steadily tunnelling deeper.
Can't say I'm shocked. Hell, I damn well called it when I first saw the story! They're just a bunch of redneck asshats who I have stopped giving a shit about. That's really the only thing you can do with jackasses such as these.
People seem to forget that there's a second part to the whole "freedom of speech" thing: You are free to say whatever you want, in a way that doesn't offend others. Your liberty ends when other people liberty starts. Pure and simple.poiumty said:
Freedom of speech is not to be taken for granted. It's a right. And as all rights it must be earned. WBC proved time and time again that they don't deserve the right to talk as they please, or to talk at all, because every time they open their shitfilled mouths they offend someone in the worst way possible. What about the liberty of the people who are told that their children died because they were filthy sinners and that they deserved it?
WBC doesn't deserve to exist or to talk, simply because they hurt others. There's no favoritism nor prejudice, there's no hipocrisy nor exceptions. This is the law being applied.
I see your point and understand it. But if you are going to discuss freedom of speech, do it seeing every implication that this right brings, not only one part. And yes, it is a coward argument to say that people shouldn't be offended because WBC has the right to say what they want. It's saying that your only justification to say something that made others suffer is "LOL, I can say what I want, so STFU".
Captcha: alive and kicking - something WBC shouldn't be.
As far as "freedom of speech" goes, you're free to say whatever you wish, but don't come complaining to anyone when the consequences of said speech start to arrive.
That being said, it'll be one hell of an awkward day when some vigilante's outrage goes to extremes and kills some of these WBC people. You watch, when something like that goes down, it'll be somewhat interesting to see the WBC sample the kind of hatred, rage and vitriol they've spewed upon others for their time in existence. Especially if said vigilante goes after their kids.
Oh, and lest I forget, for those who want to discuss "rights" and whatnot...
That being said, it'll be one hell of an awkward day when some vigilante's outrage goes to extremes and kills some of these WBC people. You watch, when something like that goes down, it'll be somewhat interesting to see the WBC sample the kind of hatred, rage and vitriol they've spewed upon others for their time in existence. Especially if said vigilante goes after their kids.
Oh, and lest I forget, for those who want to discuss "rights" and whatnot...
Sorry but if that was true, there wouldn't be a chance to proclaim WBC as a hate group, and to take away government protection.poiumty said:
It's the same reason why when the KKK do their protests, the typical behavior is to call the police, and the police tend to arrest them if they get out of hand. Why? Because words hurt. Stay with your stick and stones all you want, not everyone is like you. And I'd like to see how you react if your mother was killed and you had people telling that she died because she was a sinful whore on national TV. Because that's what happened when 2 policeman died in action. And when they invaded their funerals.
All that talk about stick and stones is bullshit. There is something called psychological trauma, and that's what WBC is causing their victims. When an entire organization is commited to do actions which cause harm to others, that organization doesn't have the right to exist (that is, to be recognized as such. I don't say kill them all, I say arrest them if they pull this shit again). I don't know about the US, but here in Portugal, you can sue people who insult you and these people can go to jail. Now tell me, if words trully don't hurt, why do these laws exist?
Not sure about the states, but in Canada, there's Freedom of Speech, but it DOES NOT protect hate speech of any kind, because it infringes upon OTHER rights in our Charter. I forget the exact wording but it has to do with people having the right to live free and happy lives.poiumty said:
Now, people can SAY these hateful things. No one's stopping them from that. They'll just get taken to task for it. I believe the UK has the same thing. It's why WBC is not allowed to cross our borders. They tried, and our Border Control basically told them to GTFO.
Right, no, I agree, they should not be ostracized on the grounds of having an opinion, but on the grounds of shoving said opinion where it does not belong, or, to put it differently, on the grounds of being a bunch of massive bigoted douchebags. Can't fault them for having an opinion, I agree, just keep the damn thing where it doesn't cause mayhem.poiumty said:
Freedom of speech is a necessary thing, but does that cover the freedom to cause additional harm in the form of emotional grief, which they clearly know they are doing by protesting at the graves of children?
I can practice karate all I wish in my front yard, unfenced and in the open, but the moment I go into a mosh pit with the full knowledge and desire to punch people in the head even just by going through those same motions, I've gone from practice to assault. In other words, they are showing deliberate intent to cause harm, again, in the form of emotional trauma, and their right to exercise that intent is what we should be reigning in.
I can practice karate all I wish in my front yard, unfenced and in the open, but the moment I go into a mosh pit with the full knowledge and desire to punch people in the head even just by going through those same motions, I've gone from practice to assault. In other words, they are showing deliberate intent to cause harm, again, in the form of emotional trauma, and their right to exercise that intent is what we should be reigning in.
Read that Anon are after this group again. Good. 
Westboro have the freedom to say what they want, but they purposely chose events that will cause most pain. If thats the case then we have the freedom to tell them what we think of what they say, even if it means beating the shit out of them. Its a pity i live in the UK.
Westboro have the freedom to say what they want, but they purposely chose events that will cause most pain. If thats the case then we have the freedom to tell them what we think of what they say, even if it means beating the shit out of them. Its a pity i live in the UK.
"Just when you thought they couldn't go any lower"
Oh I knew they were already down there. I was surprised it took them this long to announce it.
Oh I knew they were already down there. I was surprised it took them this long to announce it.
Shouldn't they be imprisoned for this? I mean I know there's freedom of speech but even that has it's limits.
Oh dear, these detestable pieces of shit again.
After watching that documentary about them "The most hated family in the world" and whatever the second iteration of that documentary was called, the only thing that could calm me down was the thought of how much they'd hate me back.
A Swedish, atheistic, polamoric, pansexual sceptic.
After watching that documentary about them "The most hated family in the world" and whatever the second iteration of that documentary was called, the only thing that could calm me down was the thought of how much they'd hate me back.
A Swedish, atheistic, polamoric, pansexual sceptic.
On one hand, it's amazing to see how nearly every religion and branch is against Westboro. You don't see that kind of unity very often.
On the other hand, the very existence of Westboro is scary. They recruit their kids into the church, brainwashing them from birth to believe that God--whose entire religious text has themes of love and compassion--hates fags, gays, soldiers, and now apparently dead kids. So they're getting kids to protest the funerals of kids. And the kids will grow up to do the same. There will be more of them, and we won't be able to do anything about it because they're merely exercising their first-amendment rights.
I say we ignore them. They want to be persecuted because Revelations says Christians will be persecuted in the end times. If we ignore them, they may get violent, but then we'll at least be able to legally lock them up. If they don't get violent and see that their misinterpretation of the Bible was wrong all along (if only), then we've won.
On the other hand, the very existence of Westboro is scary. They recruit their kids into the church, brainwashing them from birth to believe that God--whose entire religious text has themes of love and compassion--hates fags, gays, soldiers, and now apparently dead kids. So they're getting kids to protest the funerals of kids. And the kids will grow up to do the same. There will be more of them, and we won't be able to do anything about it because they're merely exercising their first-amendment rights.
I say we ignore them. They want to be persecuted because Revelations says Christians will be persecuted in the end times. If we ignore them, they may get violent, but then we'll at least be able to legally lock them up. If they don't get violent and see that their misinterpretation of the Bible was wrong all along (if only), then we've won.