Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Oh, feminism. Of course.

Everyone come back when you actually understand what "equality" is. And also, for fuck's sake, don't feed trolls, okay? So many of these people posting just want attention, or are acting like spactards on purpose to illicit negative response from you people. I'd wager 60% of the people on that Youtube comments section don't believe in what they're saying in the slightest.

You all look like fools, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Eleima]

Was it really necessary to quote all those appalling, obscene comments, I wonder...
I didn't know about this project, but in my mind, it's a valid one. She's right to bring these matters to light. I mean, just take a look at the Strong Female Character Flowchart, I dare you to tell me there's nothing wrong with the current state of affairs.

Spoiler: Strong Female Character Flowchart

 

[Amaror]

That's pretty discusting.
Although i don't support her either because, well she's asking for 6000 Dollars to do something many people do for free and she will probably still get some money through ads.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Broseph, the entirety of the modern world is about the rights that men have. We are pretty well fucking represented. That is why there is a Women's/Gender Studies department at colleges and not a Men's Studies, because in general *every department* is a Men's Studies department.

...uh..lol. Please explain to me how astrophysics is a Men's Gender Studies department, or how geology is a Men's Gender Studies department.

Feminism is a force for the equality of women, so in that case it is concerned with women's rights. HOWEVER, it also recognizes that sexism and the patriarchy hurt men as well ("boys don't cry," assuming all men are emotionally dead, bloodthirsty brutes, etc). The two are not mutually exclusive.

So in your opinion, feminism is for women's equality and if they help men its a plus but not it's primary intention, correct? If that is how you view feminism, then your right to say that she shouldn't be expected to also focus on male gender issues. However, if I have misread this and your saying feminism is about gender equality, then I see no reason why she shouldn't devote time to male gender issues in video games as well.

HOWEVER, demanding that someone who clearly intends to just do a video *analyzing female characters* also analyze male characters is not the solution. She can absolutely agree that there are harmful male stereotypes (because there are) without wanting to spend her own time and money making a video about them. That's not the point of her project.

Then she is limiting herself.

That's what I mean when I say that screaming WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ does nobody any favors, because it doesn't. Are there harmful male stereotypes? Yes. Is she obligated to do a video on them, even if she recognizes them as valid? No.

Screaming ABOUT TEH WEMONZ doesn't do much either besides create really long escapist threads.

Make your own damn video if you want it to exist so badly.

No.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

That's pretty discusting.
Although i don't support her either because, well she's asking for 6000 Dollars to do something many people do for free and she will probably still get some money through ads.

Yeah, I can't help that feel that one of the comments had at least some validity, in that there's a ton of people who've covered this ground very well, in depth, and for free, and that it does rather feel like she's saying ' if you think men and video games are sexist then I should have money.'

However, I do also feel that the moment you're attacking a person and not their opinions, your argument is invalid. Pick holes in what she's doing, but if you're attacking her for being female, or a jew, or a female gamer, or whatever else, you're doing it wrong and expect to be ignored by anyone with sense, admittedly a minority of those online, it seems.

There's been a similar discussion on Twitter, where politicians like Louise Mensch have been attacked horribly in nasty, sexist, and often threatening, personal ways.

Now, I consider her to be a pretty terrible person with horrible views, and the idea that the Occupy protesters bought tents and coffee, means that they have no reason to protest capitalism is borderline idiotic, but it's her opinions I dislike, not her owning a vagina.

All you do by attacking people for their gender, sexuality, race, etc is strengthen their position.

 

[Amaror]

Yeah, I can't help that feel that one of the comments had at least some validity, in that there's a ton of people who've covered this ground very well, in depth, and for free, and that it does rather feel like she's saying ' if you think men and video games are sexist then I should have money.'

However, I do also feel that the moment you're attacking a person and not their opinions, your argument is invalid. Pick holes in what she's doing, but if you're attacking her for being female, or a jew, or a female gamer, or whatever else, you're doing it wrong and expect to be ignored by anyone with sense, admittedly a minority of those online, it seems.

There's been a similar discussion on Twitter, where politicians like Louise Mensch have been attacked horribly in nasty, sexist, and often threatening, personal ways.

Now, I consider her to be a pretty terrible person with horrible views, and the idea that the Occupy protesters bought tents and coffee, means that they have no reason to protest capitalism is borderline idiotic, but it's her opinions I dislike, not her owning a vagina.

All you do by attacking people for their gender, sexuality, race, etc is strengthen their position.

Äh ... you got me a little confused here, buddy. Where did i attack her?
I just said that i think the attacks on her are pretty disgusting.
And then i said that while the attacks on her are disgusting i still do not agree or support the kickstarter.
I didn't said anything about her being female (Well, is said "her", but tell me how that is attacking) or a jew, or a female gamer.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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The article was crap, apparently rape culture doesn't have to have rape involved? Then it isn't rape culture!

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Yeah,.

Äh ... you got me a little confused here, buddy. Where did i attack her?
I just said that i think the attacks on her are pretty disgusting.
And then i said that while the attacks on her are disgusting i still do not agree or support the kickstarter.
I didn't said anything about her being female (Well, is said "her", but tell me how that is attacking) or a jew, or a female gamer.

Not you, sorry, I meant 'the moment you're attacking a person' to mean, when anyone's attacking a person, wasn't directed at anyone in this thread, but the idiots posting 'whore' comments and rape threats on youtube.

I basically agree that I don't think there's a need to get $6k for a video when people are willing to do this stuff for free, but, I guess that's the point of Kickstarter, if people want to pay, they can, it's quite possible she's manipulating women with the whole 'if you hate sexism then give me money' thing, but then maybe it's not.

 

[soh45400]

Media that targets female audience has stereotypes of men but you don't see men complaining about it. They just ignore it.
While I may even agree with some of her points, it just feels like she is attacking ALL MEN with them, and so does every other topic similar to this, which is probably the reason for the Youtube comments.
To stop or minimize comments like this it should have been merged with a Kickstarter project attacking male stereotypes in female targeted media and the video should have described both side by side.
Just a few examples of anti-male media. Arkham Asylum and Arkham City have ONLY MALE inmates except female super-villains(if you say both the Asylum and the City were just for men then why were even Poison Ivy, Catwoman and Harly there? come to think of it two of them would actually be weaker in a women's facility as Ivy won't have zombies and Harley won't have Joker), the Dead Island storyline shows all main female characters as brave, heroic and self-sacrificing while even the playable male characters are shown as flawed and weak. KOTR had two cases of cheating one by a male Jedi and the other by a woman both times the man was blamed. And these are just from games. In movies and on TV it gets worse but I won't list it. And I had started a thread asking if there are any movie love triangles with two women and one man(so I could watch it if I mistakenly watch stuff Hunger Games which has a love triangle with two men and one woman), I only received one or two proper titles.

 

[Naeras]

Media that targets female audience has stereotypes of men but you don't see men complaining about it. They just ignore it.

Yeah, no man has ever complained about romantic comedies. Or Twilight.

 

[soh45400]

Media that targets female audience has stereotypes of men but you don't see men complaining about it. They just ignore it.

Yeah, no man has ever complained about romantic comedies. Or Twilight.

They complain but no proper Youtube video or Kickstarter and the complains do not get enough media attention they are confined to the internet as far as media is concerned. Even the Legend of Korra was ruined by the Twilight syndrome and the first Avatar was one of my favorite shows. And I quoted other examples as well.
And when women complain about male oriented media, men join in. How many women do you see join in the complains about this.

 

[snave]

Why would you try to scathingly critique an interactive medium in a non-interactive form?

Her work risks:
a) getting lost in the noise of reviews and video blogs.
b) not getting through to those who kinda need to see it. Preaching to the choir basically.

I'd love to see a witty, well made Tropes vs Women work, conveying all the themes and hard work in research she describes, but it'd have to have some degree of interactivity as a hook. An indie game, board game, or heck, a tabletop RPG, even with a shorter video series tacked on. But a video critique alone just strikes me as picking the easy medium to work with, and tragically, a missed opportunity to make something truly memorable.

 

[gnihton]

You have not seen one of her videos and are talking out of your asses. How about you shut up and inform yourselfs about the work of this woman before you start spewing bullshit?

I don't believe in assertions. I watched a couple before posting that, and wasn't surprised to find out that they're about how all men are sexist.

 

[gnihton]

Then show me those videos because when I watched through them yesterday I failed to find one.

If you can't recognise the prejudice yourself then my sending you a link isn't going to change anything.