Killzone 3 Leaks to Torrent Sites

[zehydra]

But .. but ... but ... Killzone 3 isn't a PC title , this report must be a lie.
Shame on the Escapists for putting up a sham report, everyone knows only PC's harbour pirates and leaked pre launch builds, consoles are fully secure.

all games are developed on the PC, and the PS3 is more or less a fancy gaming computer anyway.

 

[Vrach]

Killzone got demos

ps: crisis also do

Demos tend to showcase a very small part of the game, one that's chosen by the developers

For example, if I played a Crysis demo (was there one? no idea) and it showcased the game before the alien part, I'd go "omfg, what an awesome fucking game, /shelloutcash". If I on the other hand played through the game and realised that a good 50% of it is absolute horseshit because it boils down to an infinite ammo gun and melee mobs with 2 attack types coming in larger and larger swarms, I'd say "hmm, maybe this isn't actually worth throwing 50 euros on". Difference between pirating to try something out and playing a demo is that piracy allows you to see the game for what it is. A demo is practically a commercial. And just like those numerous magical cleaning products never actually clean shit in one gentle swipe, most games don't live up to their demos either

For another example, one couldn't notice Civilization 5's massive technical failures via the demo.

You didn't watch the Extra Credits episode did you?

If I was a developer, I wouldn't make a DRM, but I would be pissed if someone pirated my game for any reason. Only reason that makes sense is when the game never comes to your country.

Yeah I did watch the EC, watch them every week, love the show and respect them tremendously. Which, again, doesn't mean that I'm unable to think for myself. I have also witnessed all of the situations I've described above, so unlike some, I know what I'm talking about. As for the Extra Credits crew, one, they couldn't say "developing countries should pirate games", even if they thought so considering they're on Escapist and Escapist is happy to ban a user for saying as much. Just how do you imagine it would go if one of their two most watched shows said "hey, it's ok to pirate games if you can't afford them" and spat right in their face of their pretty much nr. one rule?

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

 

[ETAG]

i like how the size of the 3D game is bigger than the hard drive on my playstation...
(yes, i own a 40Gb, laugh it up ¬¬)

replacing the HDD of a PS3 is easier than brushing your teeth

 

[zehydra]

Thats still bad logic, it shouldn't be good for ANY game to be pirated. and Thats probably wrong about the 90% as most of them probably wouldn't buy the game either way.

You'd be surprised

And it's not actually bad for games to be pirated as most of those who do otherwise wouldn't have played them. Sure, you have a few fucks who just pirate games cause they can but for the most part it's done by people who don't have the funds to support a gaming hobby - kids (who don't have rich parents), students (of the same sort), the temporarily unemployed and people living/working in undeveloped/developing countries.

You have people who pirate games but still support the game industry as much as they can afford to. A lot of people as a matter of fact. I don't see any reason they should be restricted to playing fewer/no titles just because they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, considering the publisher/developer/etc. don't lose anything by that person enjoying it for free. Especially when doing so will effectively increase their love of the medium, leading to potential future customers for the very industry you're saying that needs support.

So yes, I do actually think it's good for any game to be able to be pirated. The benefits far outweigh the downsides, for everyone.

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

 

[Korten12]

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

 

[Vrach]

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

The tendency for the best pirate sites to be Russian, Romanian etc. does a good job of hinting at it. As does the fact piracy has been shown to be consistently a LOT higher in these countries compared to developed countries where people can afford games. Also the fact I know a lot of people who pirate games and a lot who don't and the ones that do tend to be students, unemployed people (not by choice, people who've been looking for jobs for months on end) and most of them are from developing countries. People I know that have a decent job that can support their gaming hobby don't tend to pirate them. It's a small sample sure, but I'm guessing it's bigger than your random guess of "all pirates are rich fuckwits who just pirate cause they can"

 

[Vrach]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

Why do those kids we help with Child's Play deserve to play games? Fuck them, why didn't their parents get better jobs? Hell, to help those kids, people have to pay out of their own wallet. To help someone out there in a developing country, someone unemployed, a student overworked with dozens of work hours on top of their studying etc. and allow them some relaxing gaming time, all you have to do is not be selfish and allow them to do something that doesn't affect you or anyone else a tiny bit.

 

[Korten12]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

 

[Vrach]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

If there was someone out there creating iPods without Apple's permission and handing them out to people for free, I'd support your right to get an iPod as well if you couldn't afford one. Sadly, unlike digital media, iPods don't grow on internetz

And yeah, you're damn sure I think it's a right. In fact, I don't understand where you see a difference between what Extra Credits said - someone being unable to get a game in their country and someone not being able to ever afford a game. I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

 

[Korten12]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

If there was someone out there creating iPods without Apple's permission and handing them out to people for free, I'd support your right to get an iPod as well if you couldn't afford one. Sadly, unlike digital media, iPods don't grow on internetz

And yeah, you're damn sure I think it's a right. In fact, I don't understand where you see a difference between what Extra Credits said - someone being unable to get a game in their country and someone not being able to ever afford a game. I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

Uh its not greed, its real life. We don't live in a society of free everything. Plus if you friends wants to play games, like they said, you can play Free To Play games, their is plenty of them.

Also their is a significant different between "not in my country and not able to afford it"

Not in my country - Means you can't buy the game even if you wanted to.

Can't afford it - The game is in your country but you can't afford it, meaning you need to make money to buy it. Not having money isn't an accuse, its not based on greed, its just how things are, money makes the world go around.

 

[Atmos Duality]

So much for that.
How fitting that I finished trying the buggy-ass demo, and now it's leaked to the world.

 

[Nexus4]

i like how the size of the 3D game is bigger than the hard drive on my playstation...
(yes, i own a 40Gb, laugh it up ¬¬)

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHA!

nah, just kidding, OT: No matter how many updates and security protocols sony implements; pirates are gonna pirate.

 

[Vrach]

Uh its not greed, its real life. We don't live in a society of free everything. Plus if you friends wants to play games, like they said, you can play Free To Play games, their is plenty of them.

Also their is a significant different between "not in my country and not able to afford it"

Not in my country - Means you can't buy the game even if you wanted to.

Can't afford it - The game is in your country but you can't afford it, meaning you need to make money to buy it. Not having money isn't an accuse, its not based on greed, its just how things are, money makes the world go around.

Free to play games are free to play games. You can play them even if you're rich. Doesn't mean you should be deprived of the experience of a triple A game because you're poorer. But I like your post, it's a case in point of the thing I hate about capitalism, in both the sense of the system and the train of thought it causes in some people.

I also love your idea of "you need to make money to buy it". Do yourself a favour and check out what standard is and how US compares to the rest of the world. At 17, I doubt you've given it much thought and I don't mean any offense by it because I've only recently checked out how Serbia compares to other countries by standard and slammed my head against the wall realising that people in any decent country can make 3-4 times the same amount of money doing the exact same job. Ask your parents about their salaries and then check out what the minimum wages are in some countries. Also realise that a lot of people in those countries find it impossibly hard to get a job, not to mention after you pass some 40/50 years old.

Understand that a janitor in US can make as much as an architect in Serbia. Then do me a huge favour, sit down and think on that for one whole minute, just 60 seconds of thought. If after that you still think the world should be treated equally by standards of capitalism then I bid you adieu and good luck in life

 

[Vrach]

...I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

Such as the greed behind DRM in the first place?

That's not greed, that's pure stupidity. DRM doesn't even hold back pirates for a full week. Even the infamous Assassin's Creed 2 was cracked in about 3-4 days and now that it has been, every DRM that followed just gets cracked in a day cause they now know exactly how it works. I've seen more people flock to pirating the game cause they're sick of the DRM than get tired of waiting for a crack and go buy the original game.

 

[Jumplion]

Well, that sucks. But seriously? 20GB to 40GB? It'd be easier to buy the fucking thing off Amazo-

44GB? Ffft. Easier to just buy the damn thing on sale at Amazon.

Damm, ninja'd.

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

I'm going to sound harsh here but; Too bad, so sad. Of course one should prioritize having a place to sleep. If he/she can't afford to buy games, well then, tough luck, as the saying goes, that's life. They never said you should buy games at every opportunity, just have some self control so you won't pirate games and be responsible in saving up. Games are a luxury item, they're not the only things you can use to relax.

But, on topic, this still sucks. As I've said before, this is a lose-lose situation for everybody here. You've got hackers hacking or pirating or whateverthefuck they're doing, and developers respond with DRM or Sony responds with a firmware update and the like. Then pirates/hackers pirate/hack some more, and Sony responds with another firmware, and then the hackers hack s'more, then Sony firms some more, repeat ad nausem.

And who's in the center of all this? The legitimate consumer, getting butt-fucked in both directions, with no way out.

 

[Super Toast]

Pirates sure have been busy lately...

 

[zehydra]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

Why do those kids we help with Child's Play deserve to play games? Fuck them, why didn't their parents get better jobs? Hell, to help those kids, people have to pay out of their own wallet. To help someone out there in a developing country, someone unemployed, a student overworked with dozens of work hours on top of their studying etc. and allow them some relaxing gaming time, all you have to do is not be selfish and allow them to do something that doesn't affect you or anyone else a tiny bit.

There are tons of games that are free. Saying that people deserve to be allowed to play games like Killzone 3 for free, is like saying these people deserve to be driving sportscars for free, or taking trips to expensive resorts for free. High profile games like these are unnecessary luxuries.

 

[zehydra]

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

The tendency for the best pirate sites to be Russian, Romanian etc. does a good job of hinting at it. As does the fact piracy has been shown to be consistently a LOT higher in these countries compared to developed countries where people can afford games. Also the fact I know a lot of people who pirate games and a lot who don't and the ones that do tend to be students, unemployed people (not by choice, people who've been looking for jobs for months on end) and most of them are from developing countries. People I know that have a decent job that can support their gaming hobby don't tend to pirate them. It's a small sample sure, but I'm guessing it's bigger than your random guess of "all pirates are rich fuckwits who just pirate cause they can"

Your guess that I believe that all pirates are rich is unfounded. I thought no such thing, and even if I did, I did not say nearly enough that would warrant you to think that I thought that.

Though I do believe that many pirates do pirate because they can. They did before, and they're doing it now. If you're willing to use anecdotal evidence as support for your position I'll just use it for mine.

 

[Vrach]

44GB? Ffft. Easier to just buy the damn thing on sale at Amazon.

Damm, ninja'd.

Any decent connection will have that downloaded over 2-3 nights. Better ones will get it done in a single night

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

I'm going to sound harsh here but; Too bad, so sad. Of course one should prioritize having a place to sleep. If he/she can't afford to buy games, well then, tough luck, as the saying goes, that's life. They never said you should buy games at every opportunity, just have some self control so you won't pirate games and be responsible in saving up. Games are a luxury item, they're not the only things you can use to relax.

If she had to steal something I'd agree with you. But her enjoying that doesn't affect anyone else. So why would anyone be bothered by it?

And seeing as you're pulling a "tough luck" attitude... I'm going to sound harsh here but: how come that argument always comes from a person who happens to live in America or one of the similarly better off countries?

 

[AstylahAthrys]

44GB? Well, if you start downloading now, you might be finished by time the game releases!

In seriousness, this does suck. I'm not pro- or anti-piracy, but I hate seeing games get leaked before release. I just feel bad for the developers when it happens.