Killzone 3 Leaks to Torrent Sites

[Vrach]

Uh its not greed, its real life. We don't live in a society of free everything. Plus if you friends wants to play games, like they said, you can play Free To Play games, their is plenty of them.

Also their is a significant different between "not in my country and not able to afford it"

Not in my country - Means you can't buy the game even if you wanted to.

Can't afford it - The game is in your country but you can't afford it, meaning you need to make money to buy it. Not having money isn't an accuse, its not based on greed, its just how things are, money makes the world go around.

Free to play games are free to play games. You can play them even if you're rich. Doesn't mean you should be deprived of the experience of a triple A game because you're poorer. But I like your post, it's a case in point of the thing I hate about capitalism, in both the sense of the system and the train of thought it causes in some people.

I also love your idea of "you need to make money to buy it". Do yourself a favour and check out what standard is and how US compares to the rest of the world. At 17, I doubt you've given it much thought and I don't mean any offense by it because I've only recently checked out how Serbia compares to other countries by standard and slammed my head against the wall realising that people in any decent country can make 3-4 times the same amount of money doing the exact same job. Ask your parents about their salaries and then check out what the minimum wages are in some countries. Also realise that a lot of people in those countries find it impossibly hard to get a job, not to mention after you pass some 40/50 years old.

Understand that a janitor in US can make as much as an architect in Serbia. Then do me a huge favour, sit down and think on that for one whole minute, just 60 seconds of thought. If after that you still think the world should be treated equally by standards of capitalism then I bid you adieu and good luck in life

 

[Vrach]

...I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

Such as the greed behind DRM in the first place?

That's not greed, that's pure stupidity. DRM doesn't even hold back pirates for a full week. Even the infamous Assassin's Creed 2 was cracked in about 3-4 days and now that it has been, every DRM that followed just gets cracked in a day cause they now know exactly how it works. I've seen more people flock to pirating the game cause they're sick of the DRM than get tired of waiting for a crack and go buy the original game.

 

[Jumplion]

Well, that sucks. But seriously? 20GB to 40GB? It'd be easier to buy the fucking thing off Amazo-

44GB? Ffft. Easier to just buy the damn thing on sale at Amazon.

Damm, ninja'd.

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

I'm going to sound harsh here but; Too bad, so sad. Of course one should prioritize having a place to sleep. If he/she can't afford to buy games, well then, tough luck, as the saying goes, that's life. They never said you should buy games at every opportunity, just have some self control so you won't pirate games and be responsible in saving up. Games are a luxury item, they're not the only things you can use to relax.

But, on topic, this still sucks. As I've said before, this is a lose-lose situation for everybody here. You've got hackers hacking or pirating or whateverthefuck they're doing, and developers respond with DRM or Sony responds with a firmware update and the like. Then pirates/hackers pirate/hack some more, and Sony responds with another firmware, and then the hackers hack s'more, then Sony firms some more, repeat ad nausem.

And who's in the center of all this? The legitimate consumer, getting butt-fucked in both directions, with no way out.

 

[Super Toast]

Pirates sure have been busy lately...

 

[zehydra]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

Why do those kids we help with Child's Play deserve to play games? Fuck them, why didn't their parents get better jobs? Hell, to help those kids, people have to pay out of their own wallet. To help someone out there in a developing country, someone unemployed, a student overworked with dozens of work hours on top of their studying etc. and allow them some relaxing gaming time, all you have to do is not be selfish and allow them to do something that doesn't affect you or anyone else a tiny bit.

There are tons of games that are free. Saying that people deserve to be allowed to play games like Killzone 3 for free, is like saying these people deserve to be driving sportscars for free, or taking trips to expensive resorts for free. High profile games like these are unnecessary luxuries.

 

[zehydra]

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

The tendency for the best pirate sites to be Russian, Romanian etc. does a good job of hinting at it. As does the fact piracy has been shown to be consistently a LOT higher in these countries compared to developed countries where people can afford games. Also the fact I know a lot of people who pirate games and a lot who don't and the ones that do tend to be students, unemployed people (not by choice, people who've been looking for jobs for months on end) and most of them are from developing countries. People I know that have a decent job that can support their gaming hobby don't tend to pirate them. It's a small sample sure, but I'm guessing it's bigger than your random guess of "all pirates are rich fuckwits who just pirate cause they can"

Your guess that I believe that all pirates are rich is unfounded. I thought no such thing, and even if I did, I did not say nearly enough that would warrant you to think that I thought that.

Though I do believe that many pirates do pirate because they can. They did before, and they're doing it now. If you're willing to use anecdotal evidence as support for your position I'll just use it for mine.

 

[Vrach]

44GB? Ffft. Easier to just buy the damn thing on sale at Amazon.

Damm, ninja'd.

Any decent connection will have that downloaded over 2-3 nights. Better ones will get it done in a single night

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

I'm going to sound harsh here but; Too bad, so sad. Of course one should prioritize having a place to sleep. If he/she can't afford to buy games, well then, tough luck, as the saying goes, that's life. They never said you should buy games at every opportunity, just have some self control so you won't pirate games and be responsible in saving up. Games are a luxury item, they're not the only things you can use to relax.

If she had to steal something I'd agree with you. But her enjoying that doesn't affect anyone else. So why would anyone be bothered by it?

And seeing as you're pulling a "tough luck" attitude... I'm going to sound harsh here but: how come that argument always comes from a person who happens to live in America or one of the similarly better off countries?

 

[AstylahAthrys]

44GB? Well, if you start downloading now, you might be finished by time the game releases!

In seriousness, this does suck. I'm not pro- or anti-piracy, but I hate seeing games get leaked before release. I just feel bad for the developers when it happens.

 

[Revne]

Killzone got demos

ps: crisis also do

Demos tend to showcase a very small part of the game, one that's chosen by the developers

For example, if I played a Crysis demo (was there one? no idea) and it showcased the game before the alien part, I'd go "omfg, what an awesome fucking game, /shelloutcash". If I on the other hand played through the game and realised that a good 50% of it is absolute horseshit because it boils down to an infinite ammo gun and melee mobs with 2 attack types coming in larger and larger swarms, I'd say "hmm, maybe this isn't actually worth throwing 50 euros on". Difference between pirating to try something out and playing a demo is that piracy allows you to see the game for what it is. A demo is practically a commercial. And just like those numerous magical cleaning products never actually clean shit in one gentle swipe, most games don't live up to their demos either

For another example, one couldn't notice Civilization 5's massive technical failures via the demo.

You didn't watch the Extra Credits episode did you?

If I was a developer, I wouldn't make a DRM, but I would be pissed if someone pirated my game for any reason. Only reason that makes sense is when the game never comes to your country.

Yeah I did watch the EC, watch them every week, love the show and respect them tremendously. Which, again, doesn't mean that I'm unable to think for myself. I have also witnessed all of the situations I've described above, so unlike some, I know what I'm talking about. As for the Extra Credits crew, one, they couldn't say "developing countries should pirate games", even if they thought so considering they're on Escapist and Escapist is happy to ban a user for saying as much. Just how do you imagine it would go if one of their two most watched shows said "hey, it's ok to pirate games if you can't afford them" and spat right in their face of their pretty much nr. one rule?

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

Their demo is on the 360 and it is only multiplayer.(was talking about crisis 2 ofc)

Anyhow, I would love to represent my view in a large and enjoyable text, but it is a bit late over here. So here it goes..

pirates are bad, m'kei!

 

[Vrach]

There are tons of games that are free. Saying that people deserve to be allowed to play games like Killzone 3 for free, is like saying these people deserve to be driving sportscars for free, or taking trips to expensive resorts for free. High profile games like these are unnecessary luxuries.

Factories can't make sports cars out of thin air for no production cost. Games can be digitally doubled for no cost. Difference.

 

[zehydra]

There are tons of games that are free. Saying that people deserve to be allowed to play games like Killzone 3 for free, is like saying these people deserve to be driving sportscars for free, or taking trips to expensive resorts for free. High profile games like these are unnecessary luxuries.

Factories can't make sports cars out of thin air for no production cost. Games can be digitally doubled for no cost. Difference.

suppose then, that they could.

 

[Jumplion]

If she had to steal something I'd agree with you. But her enjoying that doesn't affect anyone else. So why would anyone be bothered by it?

And seeing as you're pulling a "tough luck" attitude... I'm going to sound harsh here but: how come that argument always comes from a person who happens to live in America or one of the similarly better off countries?

I understand your discrepancies, and I do feel sorry for her, but do not play the sympathy card here. It's just a cop-out argument, and a bad fallacy to base any argument off of.

Surely you already know the answer to your question, but I'll bite. The reason why it goes to Americans and other, more developed, countries is because these things are luxuries for us. Countries like, I dunno, Uzbekistan or Sri-Lanka or something, do not have the luxury of obtaining games, and in many cases games are not sold there at all. Westernized cultures take a ton of things for granted, going "Oh god, I have to...work for money to get a game I want!?" (not saying your friend does that, just saying) as if it's somehow unreasonable to work for something you want.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Killzone got demos

ps: crisis also do

Demos tend to showcase a very small part of the game, one that's chosen by the developers

For example, if I played a Crysis demo (was there one? no idea) and it showcased the game before the alien part, I'd go "omfg, what an awesome fucking game, /shelloutcash". If I on the other hand played through the game and realised that a good 50% of it is absolute horseshit because it boils down to an infinite ammo gun and melee mobs with 2 attack types coming in larger and larger swarms, I'd say "hmm, maybe this isn't actually worth throwing 50 euros on". Difference between pirating to try something out and playing a demo is that piracy allows you to see the game for what it is. A demo is practically a commercial. And just like those numerous magical cleaning products never actually clean shit in one gentle swipe, most games don't live up to their demos either

For another example, one couldn't notice Civilization 5's massive technical failures via the demo.

now thats just shifting the goalposts right there, excuse for pirating is "no demos", so the comapny provides a demo, then the excuse is "they only showed the part they wanted you to see" not only does that show that they will clutch at any excuse to mooch off of others hard labour like a parasite, it also completely misses the point of a demo, is that its meant to show off the best bits only (funfact usually there is a disclaimer saying that the final product may vary from whats shown in the demo), you wouldn't try to sell someone something by showing off the worst bits would you, thats just dumb and rather unreaslistic yes?

if you spent 50 dollars on agame and found you didn't like it, boo fucking hoo, deal with it, don't try to use it was a weak justification to get things for free, people make poor investments and financial decisions all the time, its part of life, you don't see the richard bransons of the world whining whenever they go bankrupt, no they dust themselves off and rebuild themselves using the knowledge they learned from their previous mistakes

You didn't watch the Extra Credits episode did you?

If I was a developer, I wouldn't make a DRM, but I would be pissed if someone pirated my game for any reason. Only reason that makes sense is when the game never comes to your country.

Yeah I did watch the EC, watch them every week, love the show and respect them tremendously. Which, again, doesn't mean that I'm unable to think for myself. I have also witnessed all of the situations I've described above, so unlike some, I know what I'm talking about. As for the Extra Credits crew, one, they couldn't say "developing countries should pirate games", even if they thought so considering they're on Escapist and Escapist is happy to ban a user for saying as much. Just how do you imagine it would go if one of their two most watched shows said "hey, it's ok to pirate games if you can't afford them" and spat right in their face of their pretty much nr. one rule?

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

so? why should she get a free ride over others? especially the people who worked night and day to increasingly asinine and rediculous deadlines in order to make that game, which is a luxury item not a neccessity, don't they deserve to be compensated for their work with you showing your appreciation by just buying the damn game?

and there are plenty of other cheaper ways to relax (reading a book for example)

 

[Blazingdragoon04]

There are tons of games that are free. Saying that people deserve to be allowed to play games like Killzone 3 for free, is like saying these people deserve to be driving sportscars for free, or taking trips to expensive resorts for free. High profile games like these are unnecessary luxuries.

Factories can't make sports cars out of thin air for no production cost. Games can be digitally doubled for no cost. Difference.

There is always a cost. No matter how few people you think pirate and NEVER buy the game, Id like to bet that your number is far too low to be realistic. Those digital copies of the game DO take money away from people who worked hard to create that game. And the argument of saying "people pirate games in order to play more games in the industry and enjoy it more" is just dumb. Just really really dumb. They aren't supporting the industry, they are actively diminishing it with every theft they commit. If pirates really wanted the video game industry to grow and develop they would buy the games like the rest of us. As it stands we now are dealing with game developers who won't produce games for the PS3 now that it has been hacked. It isn't that people are going to see "gee, the PS3 can be hacked, guess we should treat all consoles evenly now shouldn't we?" it will be "gee, the PS3 got hacked. Let's make Xbox games from now on."

I've said this too many times on this site, these pirates and hackers are not good people. They are not a shining beacon of vigilante morality, one that should be respected. They are not doing what they do for the greater good, to teach corrupt people a lesson, or for any good reason at all. They are douchebag thieves, plain and simple. They are not Robin Hood, taking from the rich to give to the poor, the ones who would never be able to enjoy something if it weren't for the brave hackers. They do not inspire morale in the downtrodden, like so many pro-pirating people seem to believe. No, these "men" are not Robin Hood, or heroes. Robin Hood went around taking from the rich and decadent and gave to the poor. Pirates are more akin to breaking down the front door of a working class home, taking a thousand dollars worth of money, and then they break open the front door so the poor family can be robbed repeatedly over and over until the pirates find it lacking in any value anymore before moving onto a new house. Then they all buy new computers so they can watch LOLcat video in high def. They are as close to the definition of greedy little pissants as possible, and because they get the most attention this is how the majority of developers and the outside world will continue to see the gaming community as a whole until we cut this shit out and grow the fuck up.

And not to be vicious, but you sure are up on your moral high horse despite the fact that you are defending public thieves stealing from hard working people who just want to feed their families and keep the industry they love alive. This string of pirating WILL affect the gaming industry in the near future, and it will not be good. Pirates are ruining gaming slowly, bit by bit, whether its stealing from companies that might have been able to stay in business, keeping companies from taking risks with new IP due to the high pirate rate, or even so far as an entire console going under due to the competition being better by being less hackable. The pirates are not good people, and I really don't understand how anyone can sit there and tell us, the people against them, that they are inconsiderate bastards because we hate people who steal and ruin our fun.

 

[brunothepig]

ANOTHER bloody leak! What's next, A Portal 2 leak?

I hope not... I don't know if I could resist. I really want that game.
OT: Well this sucks... What's with all the leaks lately, is there just more disgruntled employees than usual or something?

 

[BabyRaptor]

How are all these games getting leaked...

CONSPIRACY!

Jackass time travelers is my belief.

I like your theory.

 

[lolmynamewastaken]

i like how the size of the 3D game is bigger than the hard drive on my playstation...
(yes, i own a 40Gb, laugh it up ¬¬)

replacing the HDD of a PS3 is easier than brushing your teeth

yeah, the problem is affording a new one...

 

[NLS]

40 GBS?!?
What the everlovingcrap?
How on earth do you make a game that's 40 GB in size? Fallout 3 game out in 2009 and that was 6.7 GB and that game was fucking massive.

On sorry this is a piracy thread. Err down with piracy

Fallout 3 used the same 10 textures over and over and over and over and... ah you get my point. The devs only need one copy of each texture, they just copied and pasted. 3D on the other hand is a whole different ballgame that I admittedly don't know much about. But I'm not surprised that its that large.

OT: Still not surprised. However, as one poster pointed out above me, the devs and pubs need to work harder to prevent leaks. Most of the time the only way the game gets out like that is if someone inside leaks it. I highly doubt these pirates are breaking into the devs systems and stealing the code. Now, that doesn't make it right for the pirates to do it, but there has to be some liability if it is in fact someone within that leaked it in the first place.

Yeah, 3D might be a whole different thing but still, doesn't 3D simply boil down to 2 camera angles (1 for each eye)? It's not like they need to double the amount of textures and double the amount of models and double the amounts of maps. Unless of course the game is full packed with cutscenes that are pre-rendered and thus need double the space for 3D video.
Either way, this doesn't make much sense, and looks more like the developers are being a bit lazy when it comes to saving space.

 

[keve4433]

Snip.

Ok look at it this way. Gaming is a hobby, just like say, working on cars. Now lets say that someone loves working on cars but can't afford to buy the parts they need. Does that mean they can just walk into the factory and take $2,000 part? Just because it's something you love and are passionate about doesn't mean it's your right to be able to do it, it just means it's something you love to do. For every sale that gaming companies don't get any money from we loose out.

What a lot of pirates don't realize is that games cost a shit load of money to produce. You have to pay for the latest and greatest software to make the thing, you have to pay the couple hundred people that work on it, you have to pay to print the disc, you have to pay to ship the game, you have to pay for advertisements, you have to pay for the cases the games go in, and finally you have to pay the company that publishes your game. The only way that a company can make any money to stay up and running is to sell as many copies of their game as they possibly can and when they can't they have to cut back, whether that be firing employees or having to continue using sub par hardware/software.People can keep thinking that that their money doesn't make that big a difference, but when say 3,000 people in the U.S. pirate a game which retails at the average sixty bucks, thats $180,000 which is a lot of money believe it or not. That would almost cover the cost for the 3D software that they put on all of the artist's computers.