Koller Disses DSi

[Abedeus]

Okay, so it's 300+ games from PSP. But Nintendo DS (not DSi, just DS/DS Lite) has over 180 games with 79+ at Metacritics + hundreds or thousands of Gameboy Color (with R4)/Gameboy Advanced games.

Thats a bit of an unfair comparison as ya know....gameboy has been around for 20 years!! and the PSP only 3 or 4.

This only shows which console is better as a gaming platform.

You know, maybe if PSP allowed PS1 games...

 

[laikenf]

Well it is to my understanding that the DS has a VERY BROAD third party support bringing in A BUNCH of mature, childish, casual, hardcore, sports, strategy, RPGs, etc. games; you name the genre and the DS probably has dozens of titles (great, good, mediocre and bad). I have come to the conclusion that the people who say those types of things about the DS have never even touched one, period. Developers LOVE to develope on the DS, it's easey, cheap, and from what I've heard- fun, that is why you see a plethora of titles beeing released on a weekly basis (seriously guys, check metacritics everyday and you'll see what I meen, they just keep coming).

I own a PSP and my whife owns a DS, and it's very frustrating sometimes to see the DS get game after game after game (and believe me, A LOT of those games end up being quite impressive). I mean the DS is the only console in which you can find 3 great Sonic games... 3 GREAT SONIC GAMES!!... can you guys even begin to fathom such an achievement (specially if you consider the state of the Sonic franchise in the past 12 years).

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

I thought that the topic title was Koller Kisses DSi

Which wouldn't fit this guy's MO at all from the way you talk about him.

 

[-Seraph-]

Okay, so it's 300+ games from PSP. But Nintendo DS (not DSi, just DS/DS Lite) has over 180 games with 79+ at Metacritics + hundreds or thousands of Gameboy Color (with R4)/Gameboy Advanced games.

Thats a bit of an unfair comparison as ya know....gameboy has been around for 20 years!! and the PSP only 3 or 4.

This only shows which console is better as a gaming platform.

You know, maybe if PSP allowed PS1 games...

That statement makes little sense. The PSP does play PS1 games, just north americas playstation store has fuck all compared to japans, but I hear they are planning on making PS1 games a lot more prevalent. You really can't compare a system thats been around for 20 years and just say it's better as it's an ill comparison. Plus the concept of better is entirely subjective and boils down to each person. Hey don't get me wrong, i think the gameboy is GREAT and rightfully deserves the praise it gets, but as far as which one is better for me, thats the PSP. Gameboy is better for some people while the PSP is better for others, a simple neutral statement wouldn't you agree.

 

[vxicepickxv]

I don't really see me getting a DSi. I have a DS and a few games for it(14). I also already have a PSP and a few games for it(6 or 7).

They are both good systems, but I find the versatility of the PSP to be a bit more useful, including skype and the web browser.

 

[Nuurtuka]

this guy obviously hasn´t done his homework, theres assasssins creed and plenty of final fantasies on the DS ( and all the other great RPG not mentioned, suikoden Tierkreis, Luminous ARC 1+2), a really great GTA, and oh wow there´s gonne be Hannah Montana on the PSP I bet now all the really manly adult mature gamers gonne get one.

Sony fanboys will always be the same, ignorant to all arguments and at least 15 to 20 years behind nintendo gamers in terms of gaming experience, so where are the "kids" now? see? ;P

 

[cyber_andyy]

I personaly dont see the point to the DSi. I have my launch day DS (Model number NTR-001, thats makes it feel special) still and it works fine, I didn't see the point for the lite, and dont see the point for the DSi.

 

[-Seraph-]

I personaly dont see the point to the DSi. I have my launch day DS (Model number NTR-001, thats makes it feel special) still and it works fine, I didn't see the point for the lite, and dont see the point for the DSi.

Well the lite is simply following the same gameboy pattern that has always existed, ie: Gameboy --> Gameboy pocket, Gameboy Color, GBA-->GBA SP--> gameboy micro. It's more a matter of convenience and making them easier to carry as the current technology gets better. The DSi falls into this pattern somewhat, although from certain standpoints it does feel like a downgrade. then again it's most likely aimed at those who don't already have a DS to begin with, i never understood why anyone would want to rebuy their gaming machine unless the previous one broke. New to the DS players wont care about the lack of GBA slot, and thats the main demographic Nintendo is most likely aiming at.

 

[megapenguinx]

And how many times must i bring up the fact that Sony's PR is SHIT? seriously what the fuck happened to them!?

i see little retail of PC games lately, does that mean PC gaming is dying? No, but some may be inclined to think so.

It's almost as if Sony has given up on the PSP. Actually thinking about it, I think they are slowly dropping their support so they can be ready for the PSP2 (or whatever it's called). I always hated 3 things on the PSP:
Lack of second analog
Battery life
Difficulty of putting your own movies on there (this was way back when I'm not sure if they changed that).

PC games are not dying. You see hardly any games in stores because the platform has mostly moved to digital distribution.

 

[GonzoGamer]

And PSP has more modern stuff like, I dunno, GTA (which I don't like much) and one of my favorite time waster games, Worms.

Haven't seen GTA Chinatown Wars then? It's better than Liberty City Stories. Hell I think it's better than GTA4.

I like my psp too but comparing the DS with the PSP is like comparing the Wii and the PS3 - two completely different machines.

 

[vxicepickxv]

I like my psp too but comparing the DS with the PSP is like comparing the Wii and the PS3 - two completely different machines.

Wait, so apples aren't like oranges?


EDIT:Cleared out extra half quote

 

[-Seraph-]

And how many times must i bring up the fact that Sony's PR is SHIT? seriously what the fuck happened to them!?

i see little retail of PC games lately, does that mean PC gaming is dying? No, but some may be inclined to think so.

It's almost as if Sony has given up on the PSP. Actually thinking about it, I think they are slowly dropping their support so they can be ready for the PSP2 (or whatever it's called). I always hated 3 things on the PSP:
Lack of second analog
Battery life
Difficulty of putting your own movies on there (this was way back when I'm not sure if they changed that).

PC games are not dying. You see hardly any games in stores because the platform has mostly moved to digital distribution.

Sony has said many times in the past few months that they are not dropping support for it, look at 2009's line up, that alone is proof that the thing is far from dead.

I get annoyed with these "PSP2" rumors, that damn thing won't be revealed for at least a good 2 or 3 years.

Lack of second analog stick is the number one most irrelevant complaint people make about it. The only genre that absolutely ever really requires 2 sticks are FPS's. Any other game genre does not NEED it if the programmers code the game with good auto camera. God of war is good proof.

Battery life...eh, could be better I will grant you that, but playing of memory sticks significantly increases it. my suspicion is that for this "PSP2" they keep UMD drive for back computability but their new format should be the pro duo sticks you use to save things on.

Yea movies aren't hard to put on it...I'l say anymore just to be safe. Media manager 3.0 makes putting shit on it super easy.

My PC game reference was to simply make a statement or example to my argument.

 

[megapenguinx]

And how many times must i bring up the fact that Sony's PR is SHIT? seriously what the fuck happened to them!?

i see little retail of PC games lately, does that mean PC gaming is dying? No, but some may be inclined to think so.

It's almost as if Sony has given up on the PSP. Actually thinking about it, I think they are slowly dropping their support so they can be ready for the PSP2 (or whatever it's called). I always hated 3 things on the PSP:
Lack of second analog
Battery life
Difficulty of putting your own movies on there (this was way back when I'm not sure if they changed that).

PC games are not dying. You see hardly any games in stores because the platform has mostly moved to digital distribution.

Sony has said many times in the past few months that they are not dropping support for it, look at 2009's line up, that alone is proof that the thing is far from dead.

I get annoyed with these "PSP2" rumors, that damn thing won't be revealed for at least a good 2 or 3 years.

Lack of second analog stick is the number one most irrelevant complaint people make about it. The only genre that absolutely ever really requires 2 sticks are FPS's. Any other game genre does not NEED it if the programmers code the game with good auto camera. God of war is good proof.

Battery life...eh, could be better I will grant you that, but playing of memory sticks significantly increases it. my suspicion is that for this "PSP2" they keep UMD drive for back computability but their new format should be the pro duo sticks you use to save things on.

Yea movies aren't hard to put on it...I'l say anymore just to be safe. Media manager 3.0 makes putting shit on it super easy.

My PC game reference was to simply make a statement or example to my argument.

I like portable FPS's, and a seconed analog makes sense in that it frees up the shoulder buttons for other uses. Companies always say they won't drop support for their product, if they didn't people wouldn't feel that confident in buying it. Hence why even though the DSi is out, Nintendo keeps saying they won't stop support for the Lite. They did the same thing when the original DS came out and how they weren't going to drop support for the GBA Sp.
I actually hope they scrap the UMD drive and move to digital distribution. I mean I really like the PSP's remote play and my ability to put a game I bought on my PS3 on a handheld so I can enjoy it on the go.
Never had media manager. I had to scour the internets and find a converter and name the movie file something funky before it let me play it on there.
To me the DS will always be better, although the PSP is a neat little multimedia center in your pocket.It just never felt sturdy enough for me to take anywhere (didn't want anything to happen to that big beautiful screen), whereas my DS Lite had been run over and besides some scratches worked perfectly still.
I ironically I sold my PSP to buy a Wii and sold my DS to buy Left 4 Dead and a Dualshock 3.

 

[JWAN]

Hasn't the PSP sold, like, not even a fraction of the DS?

50 million units...thats half of what the DS has sold. You may think thats nothing but that fact that it's sold as much as the PS3 and Xbox combined and has lasted this long as a hand held competitor to nintendo is something worth commending.

On the contrary, Sony made it too easy to emulate non PSP games on the PSP. The reason why the PSP is less popular for third party developers.

It's as easy, if not easier, to hack a DS with R4 cards. The main reason why it's "less popular" is because A) nintendo and gameboy make MONEY and devs know this and can exploit this to the limit, B) Sony's PR is SHIT, C) 2009 is a major turnaround for the system, and if you look at place other than NA, the PSP is doing exceptionally well

yea its easy to hack the DS, that's why i like it so much, I'm making a better internet browser for it. Then again i just like cracking everything from I pods to X boxes, the only one I have issues with is the PS3, its easier to use a software style hack because if you break into it (and your not extremely careful you can screw the system up

I think developers should make it easier for people to hack systems, you never know when the next goldmine idea could pop up from some random hacker in Zimbabwe

The DS has pretty cool homebrew stuff its too bad that some people are using it in such a way it damages the company.

 

[khululy]

Sony has lashed out to the GTA game on the DS earlier this year and still the DS version rocks way more than Vice City stories imho.

My biggest gripe is that most games on the PSP aren't that unique most of them are mini versions of their console brothers. Wich is ok but it doesn't offer a new experience.
Not all game utilize the stylus or the two screens properly but those who do are mostly a blast to play.
I know a lot op people who say nintendo is kiddy but they are only being family friendly There are plenty of people who don't need to see gore and blood on their screens.
and I haven't seen games like The world ends with you or Hotel dusk: room 215. While not being "adult" they are surely fresh experiences and games like Contra 4, Sonic rush and viewtiful Joe Double Trouble make good use of the dual screen.

and games like rockband unplugged and Hanna Montana don't sound like the best games ever besides the DS has lots of games like Hanna Montana or whatever licenced shovel ware is spat out.

But in the end, me thinks Sony is pulling a Sega on Nintendo.
Sony does what nintendon't, well Nintendoes.
I don't realy like playing the PSP the graphics look smudged and the controls are not to my liking so I stick to my DS.

 

[-Seraph-]

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well at least your opinions are more modest than thos i have heard in the past from many nay sayers and I can agree with you and see it from your standpoint. I never had a problem with UMD though, I HATE digital distribution, i LIKE my hard copies. I hope they go with the means I mentioned, switch over to the pro duo sticks, you can buy a 2 gig stick cheap and thats enough to put a game on considering UMD's are roughly 1.8 gigs.

I think developers should make it easier for people to hack systems, you never know when the next goldmine idea could pop up from some random hacker in Zimbabwe

Well the reasons why devs don't want that is because that makes piracy a friggen cake walk, which leads to software support problems. I know what you mean when it comes to modding, some people have made some AWESOME shit for the PSP and i wish sony would actually implement some of those ideas, but allowing people to hack it is just a big NO NO by all means. i am sort of glad that the PSP 3000 has held out this long in terms of hackability. Some breakthroughs have occurred in terms of hacking it, but so far the thing is still pretty much unhackable, thats impressive.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

I think he fails in his point. Nintendo's trying their damnedest to cater to both gaming groups, and in that effort, their falling short. I say give it time.

 

[JediMB]

If Nintendo is really committed to reaching a broader, more diverse audience of gamers beyond the "kids" market that they've always engaged, there isn't much new with the DSi to support that. Significant gamer demographic groups are being ignored, and there continues to be limited opportunities for games from external publishers to do well on the DSi.

Final Fantasy III (2 million)
Professor Layton and the Curious Village (1.53 million)
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker (1.47 million in Japan)
Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen (1.45 million)
Dragon Quest V (1.23 million in Japan)
High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (1.2 million)
Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (1.12 million)
Final Fantasy IV (1.08 million)
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (1.04 million)
Drawn to Life (1 million)
Spectrobes (1 million)

Of course the Castlevania series and several others also seem successful enough to warrant multiple sequels, but it's hard to find any sales figures for them.

Compare that with the PSP platform, where we have many blockbuster franchises from our publishing partners launching this year, representing a wide variety of genres and targeting diverse demographics. Games such as Rock Band Unplugged from MTV Games, Assassin's Creed from Ubisoft, Dissidia Final Fantasy from Square Enix, and Hannah Montana from Disney demonstrate the commitment that publishers have to the PSP.

Rock Band Unplugged? Meet Taiko no Tatsujin DS and Guitar Hero On Tour. Among others.
Assassin's Creed? Meet... Assassin's Creed: Altair's Chronicles. And Prince of Persia.
Dissidia: Final Fantasy VII? Meet an orgy of Square Enix DS games, both new and old.
Hannah Montana? *snickers* Well, we've got five of those for the DS.

From our own first-party studios, we're launching unique versions of LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm, and we're also planning a steady stream of downloadable games ? both new titles and PSone classics ? to add to the content that PSP owners can already purchase wirelessly through PlayStation Store.

Yeah, the DS has its equivalents of those too.

Of course, in the end a company representative going out and and openly bashing the opposition as if he were a fanboy gamer is nothing more than a clear sign of weakness. It's like admitting that you're getting your ass kicked, because you're obviously trying to make yourself seem stronger than you really are.

The PSP isn't bad, though. It's succeeded where the GameGear, NeoGeo Pocket Color and WonderSwan failed. I want one, and I will eventually get one.

 

[Azeban]

Who says i was raging? I was completely calm throughout this entire discussion and i made that clear. Each and almost every point I made and even some of the points of the "nay sayers" (cant think of a better way to describe it) are completely valid and true. I too know plenty of people who won DS's and PSP's who love them, hate them, use them often or don't use them at all. I know it's all matter of preference but I cant condone the slagging of any gaming device, they are all equally good.

I would have to disagree with you here.

There's more to sales than just the units of hardware sold. There is the software component. That is where the PSP falls on its face. It is generally accepted by people I know that A) The controls on the PSP stink so much that the B) very few good games for the PSP give only so much enjoyment before heading to the sell bin.

The software sales are fine. PSP controls stink!? wtf?! I have played tons of games on the thing and it's no different than any other gaming device!! If your implying the constrols of the system itself are awkward i need only point to the GBA and ask you to explain why that system was never nagged at.

Controls on the PSP aren't bad, unless you're playing a FPS. That genre is really one of the few places the PSP falls on its face.

Thats why all the good shooters are Third person. Syphon Filter, Killzone Liberation and Resistance Retribution want to have a word with you...

All equally good? Bah, you've never played an N-Gage then. lol.

I'm sort of reminded of the politically correct bullshit I've had to deal with in the educational system. "We're all special, like snowflakes" "No person is better than another"

While the Wii and PS3 obviously target different audiences,and thus cannot be compared, the PSP and NDSi are targeted at the same audience. Nintendo has asserted that the NDSi will be a third platform to run alongside the Wii and DS Lite. Why? Because the NDSi is meant to be a more direct competitor for the PSP, with an emphasis on multimedia over backwards compatability.

Which is better, PSP or NDSi? I have no idea, I own neither. One has to be better than the other.

 

[-Seraph-]

All equally good? Bah, you've never played an N-Gage then. lol.

Lol okay I phrased that wrong, I shoulda said "I can't condone the slagging of any commercially successful console". Oh and before you even go there, YES the PSP is commercially successful.

Oh and don't every remind the community of that friggen Taco, it's like mentioning the virtual boy, just a big no no. bad memories be gone!!