Korean Officials Raid Blizzard

[Frankster]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

Except this actually protects consumer rights as opposed to trying to make a game ending not suck.

the right to be assholes are the only rights i see being protected these days

That is a right just like any other but if you buy something than you fucken expect it to work so they have every right to complain about this and if you don't agree then you shouldn't complain about their complaining.

so if i don't agree with bullshit i should just stick my head in the ground?

If you think bitching about paying a lot of money for a product and getting no product in return is bullshit, then how is your bitching about those people bitching not bullshit?

If every copy of a new game sold by Wal-Mart for sixty dollars each came scratched beyond the ability to play, and the store would not refund the money, would that not be justification for a lawsuit? Because Blizzard did exactly that but digitally instead of physically. People paid them for a product which they then were unable to make use of.

well think of it this way if this go through how many idiots will come out of the wood work to try and take advantage of what happen with this case and using it as a reason they should get refunds as well even when there isn't a problem

So because of these hypothetical "idiots" those customers having genuine problems should be punished and denied refunds where they have genuine cause to ask for one? Even if we were to consider those in the former case outnumbering the latter by a factor of 10 to 1, that's not ethical when the genuine customer is the one being punished (though from this line of thinking, I'm also gonna assume you've got a hardline stance on drm and anti pirating measures?)

Just 1 question from me (you can ignore the above, wasn't really a question to be answered): why are you defending Blizzard on this? Why are you so terrified of customers returning d3 (even for stupid reasons, im gonna go along with you on this and consider every person having problems right now as idiots) for whatever reason, even really stupid ones?

 

[Tony2077]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

Except this actually protects consumer rights as opposed to trying to make a game ending not suck.

the right to be assholes are the only rights i see being protected these days

That is a right just like any other but if you buy something than you fucken expect it to work so they have every right to complain about this and if you don't agree then you shouldn't complain about their complaining.

so if i don't agree with bullshit i should just stick my head in the ground?

If you think bitching about paying a lot of money for a product and getting no product in return is bullshit, then how is your bitching about those people bitching not bullshit?

If every copy of a new game sold by Wal-Mart for sixty dollars each came scratched beyond the ability to play, and the store would not refund the money, would that not be justification for a lawsuit? Because Blizzard did exactly that but digitally instead of physically. People paid them for a product which they then were unable to make use of.

well think of it this way if this go through how many idiots will come out of the wood work to try and take advantage of what happen with this case and using it as a reason they should get refunds as well even when there isn't a problem

So because of these hypothetical "idiots" those customers having genuine problems should be punished and denied refunds where they have genuine cause to ask for one? Even if we were to consider those in the former case outnumbering the latter by a factor of 10 to 1, that's not ethical when the genuine customer is the one being punished (though from this line of thinking, I'm also gonna assume you've got a hardline stance on drm and anti pirating measures?)

Just 1 question from me (you can ignore the above, wasn't really a question to be answered): why are you defending Blizzard on this? Why are you so terrified of customers returning d3 (even for stupid reasons, im gonna go along with you on this and consider every person having problems right now as idiots) for whatever reason, even really stupid ones?

the people with problems are fine but if this goes through can you really think that the idiots or jerks won't try to take advantage of it. it may be punishing them but in the end the problems that come from it may be bigger then people getting refunds

 

[Frankster]

snippy

Fair enough, I don't agree with your way of thinking at all(i'd much rather the customer with genuine problems didn't get punished for the possible actions of others+ don't believe alienating actual loyal customers in an effort to punish the non loyal ones who just want to return the game with any excuse they can get is the best long term route) so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[Tony2077]

snippy

Fair enough, I don't agree with your way of thinking at all(i'd much rather the customer with genuine problems didn't get punished for the possible actions of others+ don't believe alienating actual loyal customers in an effort to punish the non loyal ones who just want to return the game with any excuse they can get is the best long term route) so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

i don't think its right either but well its the world we live in so there nothing i can do about it other then hope that it is only a worst case scenario.

 

[Madmanonfire]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

 

[Zulnam]

Good.

Honestly, I would form a complaint too, if I knew my shitty government would back me up. Blizzard has had 8 years of WoW experience and a few years of Starcraft 2 experience. This issue could be excused when you don't expect not much from a company, but not Blizzard. You expect quality from blizzard, not 8 hour long downtime for a fucking single player game that, in the end, isn't even that great as the legends have foretold.

 

[TitsMcGee1804]

great news, i hope the koreans get their refunds, the accessability of D3 these past 2 weeks has been disgraceful, I'm glad somebody had the balls to say screw you EULA, you are failing

 

[Tony2077]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

its still bullshit because if this goes through it may open doors best left shut

 

[Tony2077]

they have the right to a refund if its problems on the server end if those problems can't be fixed ever.

It doesn't matter if it can be fixed, the problem is that it was broken in the first place. If I buy a pair of pants and they fall apart after being worn once, I don't care if the store can re-mend them, I want my money back so I can go buy pants that won't fall apart in the first place.

so i deserve a refund because the servers were broken the first day doesn't make sense to me

Congratulations Tony2077 you have successfully made me facepalm with your fanatic loyalty to Blizzard.

OT: I hope that they are forced to give refunds to people, it's about time someone got punished for constantly ****ing gamers over, it would probably be better if there were not alway's fanboys begging them to destroy our rights though...

He's defending Blizzard almost "Zeel"ously.

OT: D3 screws with more people. Gamers can't play game they bought. Gamers then called "entitled" by people with their head up their ass.

there is no way I'd ever be a bad as that guy and get called a fanatic make me think you guys are the zeel like people.

i couldn't care less what happens to blizzard it's the shit storm that may come from it that's the problem

 

[xPixelatedx]

Good, this is what they get for forcing players to play online. Treat us like crap because you think everyone will pirate your game? We'll treat you like crap for not providing the service you are legally obligated to provide.

 

[Warachia]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

its still bullshit because if this goes through it may open doors best left shut

No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. You really sound like a paranoid person who reads way too much into things. So let's say these people get a refund, what will happen in the long run? Blizzard losses several fans, wait that already happened and had nothing to do with this, they could get their shit together and try to get the game working, how is that a bad thing? And some morons might try to sue other game companies but get shot down due to the fact that those game companies didn't actually break a countries laws, also, people ALREADY get refunds for games that don't work, how is this going to change any of that?

 

[WindKnight]

Wait, you mean that legal document they were all forced to agree to ex post facto came back to bite them in the ass?

Fixed!

Also, something tells me that consumer law trumps "contractual" "agreements" in South Korea...as they should everywhere.

I think its fair to say the South Korean Fair Trade looked at that agreement and said 'yeah, sorry buddy, that shit ain't gonna fly, you better be making refunds NOW.'

 

[Tony2077]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

its still bullshit because if this goes through it may open doors best left shut

No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. You really sound like a paranoid person who reads way too much into things. So let's say these people get a refund, what will happen in the long run? Blizzard losses several fans, wait that already happened and had nothing to do with this, they could get their shit together and try to get the game working, how is that a bad thing? And some morons might try to sue other game companies but get shot down due to the fact that those game companies didn't actually break a countries laws, also, people ALREADY get refunds for games that don't work, how is this going to change any of that?

nothing may happen but it best not to think it can't. there are too many people in this world to ignore stuff like this and hope for the best

 

[Warachia]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

its still bullshit because if this goes through it may open doors best left shut

No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. You really sound like a paranoid person who reads way too much into things. So let's say these people get a refund, what will happen in the long run? Blizzard losses several fans, wait that already happened and had nothing to do with this, they could get their shit together and try to get the game working, how is that a bad thing? And some morons might try to sue other game companies but get shot down due to the fact that those game companies didn't actually break a countries laws, also, people ALREADY get refunds for games that don't work, how is this going to change any of that?

nothing may happen but it best not to think it can't. there are too many people in this world to ignore stuff like this and hope for the best

Then let's weigh the bad against the good, do we want companies to keep doing what blizzard has been doing for the past two weeks? Are some lawsuits (that you are worried about for some reason that) aren't going to work really worth always on DRM and your inability to play the game? No they are not, there is so much more that we gain by going through with this than defending blizzard.

 

[Tony2077]

this is just as bad as the bullshit about the me3 ending when will it end.

You can't compare the two. One is a stupid gamebreaking flaw on Blizzard's end and the other is a minor disappointment in the end that doesn't stop the game from being somewhat enjoyable overall. Your blind argument won't change that.

its still bullshit because if this goes through it may open doors best left shut

No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. You really sound like a paranoid person who reads way too much into things. So let's say these people get a refund, what will happen in the long run? Blizzard losses several fans, wait that already happened and had nothing to do with this, they could get their shit together and try to get the game working, how is that a bad thing? And some morons might try to sue other game companies but get shot down due to the fact that those game companies didn't actually break a countries laws, also, people ALREADY get refunds for games that don't work, how is this going to change any of that?

nothing may happen but it best not to think it can't. there are too many people in this world to ignore stuff like this and hope for the best

Then let's weigh the bad against the good, do we want companies to keep doing what blizzard has been doing for the past two weeks? Are some lawsuits (that you are worried about for some reason that) aren't going to work really worth always on DRM and your inability to play the game? No they are not, there is so much more that we gain by going through with this than defending blizzard.

i wonder if its really as simple as you'd like to think it is

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

Once again we discover Big Companies have more power than Governments.

 

[WaysideMaze]

there is no way I'd ever be a bad as that guy and get called a fanatic make me think you guys are the zeel like people.

i couldn't care less what happens to blizzard it's the shit storm that may come from it that's the problem

What shitstorm? that gamers will finally have the same rights as every other form of consumer? In all of your posts you've yet to explain exactly what bad will come of this.

the people with problems are fine but if this goes through can you really think that the idiots or jerks won't try to take advantage of it. it may be punishing them but in the end the problems that come from it may be bigger then people getting refunds

How are idiots and jerks going to take advantage of it?

Seriously, I'd like you to tell me exactly what bad will come of this and how people will take advantage of it.

 

[Tony2077]

there is no way I'd ever be a bad as that guy and get called a fanatic make me think you guys are the zeel like people.

i couldn't care less what happens to blizzard it's the shit storm that may come from it that's the problem

What shitstorm? that gamers will finally have the same rights as every other form of consumer? In all of your posts you've yet to explain exactly what bad will come of this.

the people with problems are fine but if this goes through can you really think that the idiots or jerks won't try to take advantage of it. it may be punishing them but in the end the problems that come from it may be bigger then people getting refunds

How are idiots and jerks going to take advantage of it?

Seriously, I'd like you to tell me exactly what bad will come of this and how people will take advantage of it.

i don't know but it'd be stupid to think that there won't be. ignoring that outcome and hoping for best isn't always the best course to take.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

It's kind of hard to feel pity for Blizzard. They really dug themselves into this hole thinking it would be so great. >.> And hopefully, this will teach Blizzard and all the rest of the Publishers that always-online single player is complete BS and should never be implemented.

 

[loa]

I live in europe and would rather not depend on their "customer service" around here which is utterly terrible compared to other regions just so that I can play the bloody single player game some day. Maybe.

Here's me hoping they'll get their balls rocked over this so the concept of "always online DRM = bad idea" really sinks in for them.
Because it would be a shame if I couldn't buy a single blizzard game from now on.

It's still blizzard after all :/