Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad
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Ehm...No, they won't. Most DRM these days is specifically designed to detect emulation software and/or DVD-R/RW usage. Hell, some of the Starforce versions wouldn't let a game run if they detected a burner CONNECTED TO YOUR COMPUTER...cobrausn said:
Seriously, try taking a game, any game...let's say, Medal of Honor, copy the DVD, mount it using alcohol, nero, daemon tools, whatever. Then try playing it.
I wish you luck.
So? Just because someone has a clean track record doesn't mean I trust them completely...And even if I believe that they'll do their best to stand by their word, who says they won't get "merged" with (read chewed up by)Activision or somesuch and not be able to deliver, despite their best intentions?
No, but that companies shouldn't treat their fans as criminals. They should be able to react to the economic reality of piracy and try to monetize the free (albeit uncontrolled) distribution of their games, and that the burden of proving innocence shouldn't fall to the paying customer when DRM breaks their game! What you're proposing would turn video games into an absolute NIGHTMARE.Reklore said:
And I never once said that type of DRM was good. I think that is getting lost somewhere. I don't like intrusive DRM that prevents you from backing up your data. That kind of shit is for Assholes and I hope it one day becomes illegal.erztez said:
I've said repeatedly the only DRM I care for is Steam. That's it. And I don't even like all of it, but the available set of features is attractive enough to have me click the 'I Accept' when reading the EULA and use it.
And when that happens I back up all my data and shut off my Steam account. Until then, I'll stand by an essentially perfect track record. That means more to me than any number of 'legally binding documents' from a company with a shitty track record.erztez said:
Hmm...that actually might not be such a bad idea...let them try that for a year. After half of them collapse, maybe the rest will start acting a bit smarter.thublihnk said:
Historically, DRM NEVER WORKED. EVER. NOT ONE SINGLE TIME.
At best, it gave the pirates something to do for about a week.
So, after a week, the pirates have a working copy of the game, while the paying customer has a horribly broken mess that won't run if there's so much as a speck of dust on the disc. Or if the room temperature is above freezing. Or if the Great Old One himself hasn't had his snack this morning.
Face it, pirated stuff usually works better then the genuine article.
We've seen this on the PC, now it's coming to consoles.
Hmm...have to agree with you there...cobrausn said:
Granted, I buy stuff thru Steam myself, but then I download a pirate copy(before banhammer, it's bloody LEGAL HERE, as long as you paid for the product SOMEHOW) and crack it(also legal, and I get to enjoy my games offline, don't give a flying fuck about achievements, never did).
Way ahead of ya, already GOT all my games in nice ISO form, cracks included, as are all the patches, mods, (again, legal if I purchased)etc.
As to the legally binding documents, amen, no argument from me...
Actually, It was supposed to include the post YOU were replying to, as I was agreeing with youthublihnk said:
Unfortunately, since some retards managed to cut the DSL cable this morning, I'm stuck with the city public wi-fi, and it SUCKS, so the screen loads about half the way most of the time
As things stand now I see piracy as the lesser of two evils to be entirely honest. Also when we're dealing with a constantly growing multi-billion dollar industry, the concerns about piracy seem to be based on the idea that people who are pirating games would be paying full price for those games if they were forced to do so.Reklore said:
The thing is that while the game industry goes running around on a Quixotic crusade, Jousting with Windmills and the like, the people dealing with the fallout are legitimate customers who are being made to jump through hoops and deal with increasing levels of security to play their games, as well as having their rights in what they can do with products they paid for increasingly limited.
See, while this article talks about making "backup" copies sarcastically, I came up at a time when that was the normal way of doing things, and even now it makes sense to me. At one time it was encouraged for people to make copies of their game disks and play off the copies so that way if something happened they could just make a new copy of the game off the protected originals.
Given the fragility of current discs and the way they can be scratched, damaged, and gouged, and how accidents happen even if you take care of them, I personally see nothing unreasonable about people making copies to play off of for their own usage.
Now, before you start screaming that I must be a pirate to think that, I don't currently do it because of the copy protection that makes it unfeasable unless you know more about what your doing than I do.
My overall attitude is that piracy is wrong, but the gaming industry is also wrong. Pirates are criminals for stealing from the game industry. On the other hand the game industry is criminal for engaging in cartel behavior like price fixing, coordinate price fixing, and un-competitive business practices. If the goverment decided to pay attention to the gaming industry it as a whole does the kind of stuff that has the gas companies under constant investigations, except unlike the gas companies the game industry flat out admits what it's doing and has even talked about how the $10 price hike a few years ago was coordinated, and how another one might be in the cards.
The pirates steal from the game companies, and the game industry effectively steals from us, the customers through the way it does business.
In the end I have a hard time seeing how any bellyaching on the part of the game industry can be justified, especially when it's a growth industry worth billions. When that bellyaching takes the form of me not being able to do things like make backup "play copies" of my own games so as to protect my expensive purchuse more effectively, I think it's getting ridiculous... and that kind of an issue has been going on for a while.
Gotcha. That does suck. Sorry about the confusion.erztez said:Actually, It was supposed to include the post YOU were replying to, as I was agreeing with youthublihnk said:
Unfortunately, since some retards managed to cut the DSL cable this morning, I'm stuck with the city public wi-fi, and it SUCKS, so the screen loads about half the way most of the time
You can just manually back up the /Steam/Whatever folders.Garak73 said:
Yeah, probably true. Everything is going digital. Videogames have always been ahead of the curve with regards to adapting to changing technologies, so we may as well keep it up. The market determines what people are willing to go with, and (on the PC it seems), physical copies have less and less staying power. If it's not in their interest to print physical copies because only a few people want to get them, they shouldn't have to.Garak73 said:
Right, but eventually we will run out of functioning SNESs that aren't in a museum. Also, unless it gives me access to the binaries (such as Direct2Drive or Steam), I don't get a digital version.Garak73 said:
DD only gives you less freedom if you're willing to give it up. But the funny thing is... in the war of convenience vs. freedom, convenience will pretty much always win out. So who knows. I guess we'll find out in 10 years if it worked out for us.
Unless the guys who published the game are additionally assholish and put more DRM in the exe, the .exe should work fine for a lot of games. But Steam itself shouldn't be the limiting factor as to whether or not you play the game, unless the game's matchmaking/online features are integrated with Steam.Garak73 said:
http://www.modhalo.net/index.php?/topic/22994-how-to-play-your-steam-games-without-steam-running/Garak73 said:
I think it's partially nostalgia, but it's also because they were just better games. Old SNES games were not trying to be realistic, so they instead focused on fun. The art was meant to help with that.Garak73 said:
I mean, Goldeneye (N64) was fun as hell when it came out, but not many people still play it today. The more realistic you try to make the game, the faster it becomes dated.
Yeah but to them it is a numbers game. If they make X million with DRM and X - N million without, why not use DRM? I guarantee you they have run the numbers and it is worth their time to put in DRM. They wouldn't keep doing it on principle. It costs money to make DRM. If it wasn't making them money, they wouldn't do it.Garak73 said:
Honestly, that's awesome, pirates piss me off, but I bet thy're going to figure out a way past it pretty soon. But I don't know... maybe this update has a few more tricks up it's sleeves...