LBP being attacked
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As far as I understand, there was 1 major difference that excluded that guy from falling under the "parody law".Amnestic said:
See, when VG cats, South Park, Penny Arcade, and many more, parody a famous actor/Franchise, they usually do so by re-creating them themselves. South Park, VG cats and Penny Arcade, for instances, drew George Lucas themselves to depict him. This is THEIR content depicting a franchise or person, which is covered under said law. This is also the reason Yahtzee is free from lawsuits, the only things he uses from the game are the box art and maybe 1 screenshot.
However, the youtube guy just blatantly ripped off images from ZP. As in, he actually downloaded the videos and cut those images directly. This is what's wrong. It wasn't that he did a video "ZP Style" (just look how many other knockoffs are still "alive" on youtube), but he did so by almost integrally copying images from ZP.
This is also, why, LBP levels -DO- fall under the fair use doctrine. Furthermore Sony can not be held responsible for what users create. Would be like suing windows because the Zero Originality guy used it as an OS while doing his video. In sum, It's just Sony being a twat with no respect for it's costumers. Nothing new.
He also didn't actually parody anything. Most of the other ZP knock offs on youtube make fun of Yahtzee or his style of reviewing, meaning they are covered under parody. Zero Originality on the other hand, was just using the Zero Punctuation style to make his own video unrelated to ZP, meaning it was not classed as parody.Caliostro said:
While I find it to be a bit ridiculous about them deleting content, how many users read the EULA? I didn't, but how many people read that wall of text before agreeing to it? Because maybe, just maybe, Sony says how they'll handle copyright and IP problems. Maybe other developers have told sony they don't want their game being depicted in LBP. And maybe in exchange for some kind of favor, Sony agreed.
On the plus side, maybe they'll start the deleting the 9000 LOL XBOX SUCKS, WATCH IT RED RING AND GO BOOM! levels there.
On the plus side, maybe they'll start the deleting the 9000 LOL XBOX SUCKS, WATCH IT RED RING AND GO BOOM! levels there.
How is this any different than fan art/fan fiction? There are a bagillion websites dedicated to posting fan art and fan fiction that depict copyrighted characters and franchises. If you personally are not using the material to make a profit, it is not a copyright enfringement if you use the fan art/fan fiction as a precident. LBP the game is no different that these websites as they are simply offering a tool to create fandom. Would you similarly sue photoshop for someone who creates a custom Disney pic? Would you sue MS Word for someone writing fan fiction about Marvel characters? Would you sue a pencil company because someone used your pencil to draw a picture of Solid Snake? But hey here have been stupider law suits in America. Goodyear was sued for the Oaklahoma City bombings because their tires were on the van than held the bomb (there are some greedy f**ks out there).
I agree that copyrighted material should be protect from someone using it for porfit, but if you own a copyrighted franchise/character, respect you fandom or you would have no product to begin with.
Little Big Planet is a creative tool and if they had any lawyers worth their merit, they could fix this. Otherwise this will destroy the game.
I agree that copyrighted material should be protect from someone using it for porfit, but if you own a copyrighted franchise/character, respect you fandom or you would have no product to begin with.
Little Big Planet is a creative tool and if they had any lawyers worth their merit, they could fix this. Otherwise this will destroy the game.
Well I doubt people are using Little Big Planet to live out their slashfic fantasies...wgreer25 said:
Have people forgotten the last controversy [http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation3/littlebigripoff-sony-can-sell-your-lbp-user-created-content/] surrounding LBC UCC already? It's not the same thing as fanfiction or parody works, since it's within Sony's rights to make money out of it. Comparisons with stationery companies and such would be appropriate if they asked you, while selling you the pencil, "hey, so, it's cool if we sell copies of the stuff you draw, right?"
On a side note, I find the thought of somebody reaching into your console and locking content rather jarring. How does the sharing system work, exactly? Do you store levels you want to share on a public server, or..?
On a side note, I find the thought of somebody reaching into your console and locking content rather jarring. How does the sharing system work, exactly? Do you store levels you want to share on a public server, or..?
Wow... It's pretty sad how many of you actually read this thread as a reason to bash Sony Computer Entertainment. Taking fanboyism one step further.
User generated content can always back-fire (see the Oblivion-rating-fiasco), so it's not weird that Sony's taking these measures.
But really, damnit people, you've got this amazing tool at your disposal, and the only thing you can come up with is remaking scenes from another game?
User generated content can always back-fire (see the Oblivion-rating-fiasco), so it's not weird that Sony's taking these measures.
But really, damnit people, you've got this amazing tool at your disposal, and the only thing you can come up with is remaking scenes from another game?
I think the moderation of LBP is so draconian because there's too much content to police. Seriously, how can their mods play everything to evaluate it's infringement? They just take a quick look for something suspect and err on the side of caution and boom, no more tribute level. It's in the EULA (though I haven't read it, I'm sure it's in there) that they own the IP for the content and can do what they want with it.
IP (Intellectual Property) is different from other things, like the pencil example. I don't copyright a pencil, I copyright the design used to make it if I copyright anything. IP is not a physical object. When I sell you IP, you only own the physical object, not the copyright to the data on it.
Tribute levels *could* be considered infringement if they provide an experience accurate to the original. If a LBP level is so good that I don't buy the original game and play the free one instead, I'm costing that dev. a sale. Crap, I know but this is how the devs. and pubs. reason when they try to get this stuff shut down.
Fair Use is under constant attack. I wish I could remember the name of the news agency, but they wanted to force people quoting their articles to pay a fee if they copied and reprinted more than a sentence, robbing them of the page views. Page views!
IP (Intellectual Property) is different from other things, like the pencil example. I don't copyright a pencil, I copyright the design used to make it if I copyright anything. IP is not a physical object. When I sell you IP, you only own the physical object, not the copyright to the data on it.
Tribute levels *could* be considered infringement if they provide an experience accurate to the original. If a LBP level is so good that I don't buy the original game and play the free one instead, I'm costing that dev. a sale. Crap, I know but this is how the devs. and pubs. reason when they try to get this stuff shut down.
Fair Use is under constant attack. I wish I could remember the name of the news agency, but they wanted to force people quoting their articles to pay a fee if they copied and reprinted more than a sentence, robbing them of the page views. Page views!
Well it was just an idea by Activision that they didn't have in place to begin with. This sounds like Sony had the whole deal all along to rip off gamers.Altorin said:
This is why Sony can't give us nice things.
I am sad that this has happened. I can understand not wanting people to use symbols and names that may infringe on someone's property but Sony is out of control. They are deleting levels without warning or reason. It is a mystery. I wonder of Sony is hiding something. Maybe they somehow caused a mass deletion of levels by mistake or there is a fatal glitch in the system. All of you can say what you want. Sony has always given me good quality games and I thank them for that. However if they keep treating us loyal gamers like this with out any kind of explanation or apology, I may seriously consider turning to a X-box 360 no matter how much I hate Microsoft and their tactics. I would not give up LBP because of this but for everyone else I understand. I must be horrible to lose you masterpiece so prematurely.