Leave me alone PC gamers!

[baconmaster]

I have no doubt that a PC is better for gaming than a console. That's pretty hard to deny when the PC offers better graphics, mod support, more freedom, better deals on games, and so on. The only real downside is that every game needs to be installed (something becoming more common on consoles, too) and, for some crazy ass reason that I will never understand, my games sometimes work fine for months before deciding to permanently stop working. But that's rare

All that said, the PC elitist group is by far the most annoying group in the gaming community. Sometimes I think they don't even enjoy games. "I won't buy Dark Souls because the resolution makes it unplayable!" Sure. 1080p has always existed. Silent Hill would've been unplayable without it! "The original Mass Effect was the only good one! The sequels are for CODfags!" Ok, we could improve the clunky gameplay and cut-and-paste sidequests, but the people want more inventory management and numbers that increase! Everyone who thinks we should improve the actual gameplay is an idiot!

And for the claim that consoles "killed" certain genres... Well, maybe, but that claim is greatly exaggerated. The RTS is one good example because they're intolerable with controllers. Survival Horror, however, is not. That genre was still quite alive when the Ps2 was at it's peak. For some reason, it was abandoned once this generation of consoles began. Probably because games are becoming more mainstream so an action oriented game is much more profitable. Many of us console owners would absolutely love to see a new survival horror series.

7 year old racist kids who play nothing but the latest Call of Duty are better than PC elitists.... Well, not quite

 

[ex275w]

The original Mass Effect was the only good one! The sequels are for CODfags!" Ok, we could improve the clunky gameplay and cut-and-paste sidequests, but the people want more inventory management and numbers that increase! Everyone who thinks we should improve the actual gameplay is an idiot!

The gameplay did "improve" but they didn't need to add ammo, remove gun customization, remove inventory management, remove healing and simplify the level up system so half your levels don't do anything.

On the other hand, PC (with 360 controller) and Wii compliment each other well. PC can do 4x games, RTS games, Adventure games, and FPS games while Consoles do games like Brawlers, 2D and 3D Platformers and Fighting games really well. i guess many are forgetting portable gaming which also has its advantages over consoles and PC.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

great for you? Again, I do not care how more 'economic' it is, I'm still sinking money I do not have into a machine for the sole purpose of gaming, when I already have a gaming console.

saying "i spent all my money on a junker car from an impound lot, therefore I don't care that you bought a nice new car for less than I bought my junker" Is not an argument for it being better. It's just an acknowledgement that you made a bad choice on how to spend your money in the past and are now stuck with that poor decision.

Why should I play a port when the original is on the system I already own?

Most games are developed for both systems at the same time so your question does not make much sense. There isn't a 'system it was originally developed for' there are multiple systems that it was developed for in parallel. Barring extreme circumstances where the developers are really bad at their jobs(which likely means either version of it will be garbage) the two games are pretty much exactly the same. Only the PC version has a lot more support, a lot less restrictions and is almost always cheaper.

My Daddy wants to buy me a gaming laptop so we can play GW II together, and if so then fine, I'll play it with him, but that's the only reason I'd get a gaming laptop/computer: to play with my friends.

Why do you think that there are 'gaming' computers? There are powerful computers that can be used for gaming, but there aren't computers that are specifically and only for gaming. That's the whole point, to be able to do everything off of a single system rather than having tons of superfluous and less powerful hardware.

And if you really can't think of anything else than ME PLAY VIDEOGAMES to do with your computer then that's your fault for being unimaginative. My PC can help cure cancer while I'm asleep. It can be harnessed to help compute equations for NASA, discover new stars, fight malaria. I can have a screensaver that works with other computer to generate abstract paintings. I don't even have a basic cable TV connection because my computer can just stream TV shows in HD off of corporate websites without commercials. I don't need a blueray player because my computer can already read BR/DVD/CD and plug into my TV to play them on a large screen. I barely even have any clutter now because I don't need to keep very many physical disks because I can store everything electronically as CD images or access them from an offsite library through steam or google's storage infastructure. I can play any music I want through pandora or my personal library while I'm gaming without having to fire up other electronics. I can alt tab and browse the internet while I'm waiting for a multiplayer game to start. If I don't understand something I can instantly access wikipedia. I'm not restricted to talking to other people who have XBOX live, I can text cellphones, make phone calls, talk to anyone on any instant messaging platform.

And that is only just the beginning of what I can do with my 'gaming' computer.

I do not care about specs, I care about if I'm having fun -_-

I said nothing about specs. That another point entirely. I'm talking economics and consolidation of computing power both in the short term and more pronouncedly so in the long term(which both does and does not have to do with system specs.)

 

[Vigormortis]

Because I can't afford the start up cost of a gaming PC.

But hey, I'll offer you the same challenge I give to any PC "master race" type;

Show me a PC build from the ground up, WITHOUT USING "MIDNIGHT MADNESS"-style SALES OR AUCTIONS THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE AROUND WHEN I TRY IT, that can run Sleeping Dogs on max settings with the HD patch at 50+fps for 200-300$ American, and I'll burn every console I own on Youtube. You up for that?

[sub]I've never claimed to be a card-carrying member of the "PC master race", but...[/sub]

Sure am. Assuming you can show me a console that can run Sleeping Dogs at any resolution above 720p at more than 25~30 frames per second, with the same level of graphical fidelity as the "max" settings on the PC build.

You show me that and I'll show you a PC, priced around $300, that can run Sleeping Dogs at max settings. Or were you under the impression that expecting us to find PC hardware that can run Sleeping Dogs at better graphical settings than a console, for less than the price of a console, was a fair challenge?

Uhhh, if that were the case, this clunker of a PC I have right now, which goes back to the PS2 days, would be able to run current gen games, and it can't.

Yes, the startup cost on a gaming PC is more expensive.

So...are you saying a computer that cost between $200 and $400 "back in the PS2 days" should have equivalent hardware specs as one built today within the same price range?

I'm confused. Would you expect your PS2 to run PS3 games; like Sleeping Dogs?

. . . . . . . . . . .

No one's really denying that the initial "start-up" cost of a gaming PC is higher than that of a console. (and if they are they're idiots) Especially today, seeing as the consoles are running 7+ year old hardware.

However, a "current gen" gaming PC is not only superior, on a technical scale, to todays consoles, it also has an incredible number of features, functions, and services your average console doesn't.

Now, it's true the consoles are gaining a few of these features, but at a cost. Just about everything you "add" to a console beyond plopping a disc into the tray and playing, even something as simple as gaming/chatting online, comes at a cost.

Those costs start to add up rather quickly. And, with the increased prices of games and other peripherals, you often end up spending far more, over the course of your ownership, on a console than you do for a PC.

Regardless, I've no qualms with someone's choice of gaming platform. Hell, I own, and regularly game on (when I can), a PC, a Wii, and an Xbox360. And that's not counting the bevy of older consoles I've got tucked away in a closet.

You want to game on the PS3? Go right ahead. No skin off my bones. You prefer your Wii? Great! Let's play some Smash Bros together. You stick more to PC? Cool. I'll see you in TF2 or SC2.

What you game on is your preference. It's not something to judge someone by. If someone does so, they're an ass.

 

[BenTheWolf]

The barrier to entry for PC gaming is that much higher.

Its true, our barrier to entry is the ability to read the instructions on the box.

I'm reasonably tech savvy, certainly I'm the one in my house people come to when technology breaks, and I wouldn't have the foggiest how to do it.

/facepalm. Having more knowledge then the other people living in your house just means you live with dumb arses.

Maybe this is all because I dislike Minecraft...

What does not liking minecraft have to do with anything. I don't like minecraft either, but it doesn't make your argument any the less silly. An at the moment i have this horrible feeling that the reason you think consoles are better for gaming is that you are just to willfully ignorant to get a PC to operate... An i'd hate to think that, but given the level of ignorance you display, its the only conclusion i can draw.[/quote]


Congratulations. You descended to the level of personal insults rather than answering the points.

I will concede that consoles are not better machines than PCs. Anything else would be stupid.

However the barrier for entry on a PC is higher. Namely because in order to play AAA games you have to spend a considerable amount on a gaming rig, or build your own. Most people do not have the savvy to build one, if you do then I doff my cap to you, so it's back to spending money. I'm no financial expert but I believe gaming rigs are more expensive than the major consoles.

Incidentally neither I or my family are 'dumb arses' to the best of my knowledge. It's just that they prefer to read books than play computer games, thus rendering computing skills as somewhat arbitrary beyond the ability to word process and surf the internet.

I'd argue that the whole thread is largely a matter of opinion. I think that my Xbox 360 is the best console for me to play games on. Why? Because I like the controller and my most played games include FIFA, Halo and Forza which are either not on Pc, or render the bonuses I would gain from playing on Pc as minimal.

I also feel ill around elitism. Which is probably why I struggled in my interview at Oxford University last year. Or maybe that was just because I was dumb, I obviously wouldn't know.

 

[Vigormortis]

Rightfully?

Reminds me, you know I find it funny that this phenomenon seems unique to gamers.

See, I never have been harassed by gearheads and car affecionados for not owning one of their own built from scratch street rods.

I never have gotten crap from people who built their own homes for buying a pre-built home.

Yet me having fun on a console is just intolerable to the "master race"...

What is more important about a toy than a car or a house?

Not that I don't agree, as gaming is filled with people (not just PC players) that will berate someone else for their gaming preferences, but I have to say something here.

I know plenty of people, gear heads in this case, who would laugh their collective asses off if I told them my rinky-dink, cheapo Saturn was better and more fun to drive than their 30~40k muscle car.

Likewise, I've seen plenty of people "make fun of" others for buying pre-built homes. They go on and on about how "inferior" those types of homes are. How bland and boring they look.

But you know what? Those types of people are a very small minority. A vocal minority, sure, but certainly not indicative of the entire collective of gear-heads or home owners.

The exact same logic applies to gamers; PC or otherwise.

That doesn't make those types of people any less obnoxious, of course, but it also doesn't mean that everyone is that obnoxious.

 

[Vigormortis]

Captcha derp. Caused a double post.

Guh....I REALLY hate these SolvMedia captchas.

 

[Coffeejack]

NO!!! NEVER!!!

LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!

A lovely still-picture. Very vibrant and colorful. Did you make it with your console?

Is that the Bitter Coast from Vvardenfell?

 

[Coffeejack]

I think it stems from a lack of social graces and the inability to structure eloquent points and arguments. Standards of education and behaviour are going down, so I am saddened but not surprised when I read Platform vs. Platform arguments on the internet. YouTube is the worst offender (that I have visited), but I must say that people on The Escapist seem a great deal more mature on thee whole.

 

[Savo]

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Console gamers aren't any less of gamers than PC gamers and conversely PC gamers are no better than console gamers. There are very legitimate reasons to prefer a console over a PC, and vice versa.

I will say that PC fanboys piss me off more often than console gamers. I would far rather listen to somebody who isn't familiar with the differences between console and PC than listen to somebody who lords themselves over others within a hobby. There are many fun and kind PC gamers, but its the minority who ruin it for everyone else, as is the case with most fanbases.

I prefer a combination of PC and consoles myself. Consoles have the awesome exclusives and the pure joy of simplicity. PC's have the graphics, but the horseshit you get with an unstable platform like PCs gets ridiculous sometimes.

Only on PC do I get errors like:

"You have an ATI card? Sorry, turn off all the graphics settings that matter if you want to get into the game without a crash." (Republic Commando)

"Sorry bro, you're gonna have to restart the game every 15 minutes if you don't want to enjoy the luxuries of 10 FPS. (F.E.A.R Extraction Point)

 

[DonTsetsi]

I have 1 PC, nothing else. I would like to try console gaming, but it's too expensive for me. I needed my somewhat powerful system for work (interior 3D visualization and walk-through animation). Thanks to the financial crisis, it's mainly used for games nowadays. A lot of those "PC elitists", as some people call them, spend more money for a gaming rig than I could afford to spend on a work PC (in this kind of work, it should be as powerful as possible). A lot of them are wasteful and ignorant, spending a ton of money for PCs that have identical gaming performance (everything maxed out at 60 fps on a large resolution monitor) with machines at half or even less of their price and feeling superior for it!

 

[Tuxedoman]

I don't understand why people feel obliged to tell the world that their platform is better than everything else. What matters is the games *you* want to play, and what you're friends are playing if you're into the multiplayer scene.
I can not for the life of me care that my Xbox puts out less FPS than a PC on Deus Ex. I don't care about the mods in Skyrim either, as I've played enough of it to be bored and no longer care about it. I don't care about my PS3's framerate dropping to 15fps when shit gets hectic in Borderlands 2 split-screen. And I don't care that my PC doesn't render every god damn lighting detail in Guild Wars when people in the general chat are looking down on everyone who can't see what they can see.

People just seem to want whatever they use to be the best, despite it really not mattering.
I guess thats how cults are made.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

I think it stems from a lack of social graces and the inability to structure eloquent points and arguments. Standards of education and behaviour are going down, so I am saddened but not surprised when I read Platform vs. Platform arguments on the internet. YouTube is the worst offender (that I have visited), but I must say that people on The Escapist seem a great deal more mature on thee whole.

Oh God, yes. The social graces are indeed going poof. I'm seeing the new blood start its first Bachelor's semesters and I've had to correct a few papers. I'm seeing kids who want to major in Literature and who can't form a correct sentence structure to save their lives. They enjoy *reading*, but are the first to tell me that *writing* sucks.

So why would you even major in Literature? We're not going to extract essays out of your brain through microwaves, you moron - you'll have to work for your grades!

That and, well, the Ministry of Education is pushing the required averages down just so we can keep a straight face about the number of diplomas being pushed out.

It's just appalling, really. Today's kids are being taught that you'll be fine if you don't learn shit in class, as long as:

a) you're pretty;
b) you can make stupid faces in front of game footage, which gets you a YouTube partnership;
c) you possess the undefinable attribute which is "swag".

Failing that, keep pushing and maybe you'll get a spot in a bullshit Reality TV program!

 

[Lt. Rocky]

Have what you love, and love what you have.

I enjoy my PC and my laptop for their convieniance, as work and play are but the flicks of switches away from one another. Tablets may surpass laptops in the coming years, but I'll still likely enjoy using laptops for the physical keys and control..and for the screens not covered in fingerprints.

 

[Keepeas]

Play on want you want...
I personally think that there is too much fanboy-ism and you can't really be a fanboy for PC because they are all so different...
Consoles are alive and will continue to live because of console exclusive games.

 

[marurder]

I am a PC gamer, I don't like consoles that much. It's more because of lifestyle choices and I prefer a swiss-army-knife approach to everything. That being something I can do WORK on or browse on easily. I understand people who play consoles, they have their advantages (like parties) but I do think PC's are vastly superior. Anyone who says console players are stupid/idiots/should die upside-down in a fire - is just pathetic. These people are taking attention away from serious issues facing gaming and dragging down public perception down on the rest of us.

 

[SnowBurst]

simple fact is consoles play games at half graphics for half the amount of years a pc wud whoever buys a pc for anything less then £500 is an idiot

it is true IF you replace parts like every year and get a new setup every 3-5 years.
to get the maximum potential.
otherwise this is just not true.

nope wrong buy best cpu n gpu today n itll last years on ultra n even longer on low if you say otherwise you know nothing about computing hardware

 

[SnowBurst]

NO!!! NEVER!!!

LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!

reflections nuff said horrible

 

[chinangel]

great for you? Again, I do not care how more 'economic' it is, I'm still sinking money I do not have into a machine for the sole purpose of gaming, when I already have a gaming console.

saying "i spent all my money on a junker car from an impound lot, therefore I don't care that you bought a nice new car for less than I bought my junker" Is not an argument for it being better. It's just an acknowledgement that you made a bad choice on how to spend your money in the past and are now stuck with that poor decision.

Why should I play a port when the original is on the system I already own?

Most games are developed for both systems at the same time so your question does not make much sense. There isn't a 'system it was originally developed for' there are multiple systems that it was developed for in parallel. Barring extreme circumstances where the developers are really bad at their jobs(which likely means either version of it will be garbage) the two games are pretty much exactly the same. Only the PC version has a lot more support, a lot less restrictions and is almost always cheaper.

My Daddy wants to buy me a gaming laptop so we can play GW II together, and if so then fine, I'll play it with him, but that's the only reason I'd get a gaming laptop/computer: to play with my friends.

Why do you think that there are 'gaming' computers? There are powerful computers that can be used for gaming, but there aren't computers that are specifically and only for gaming. That's the whole point, to be able to do everything off of a single system rather than having tons of superfluous and less powerful hardware.

And if you really can't think of anything else than ME PLAY VIDEOGAMES to do with your computer then that's your fault for being unimaginative. My PC can help cure cancer while I'm asleep. It can be harnessed to help compute equations for NASA, discover new stars, fight malaria. I can have a screensaver that works with other computer to generate abstract paintings. I don't even have a basic cable TV connection because my computer can just stream TV shows in HD off of corporate websites without commercials. I don't need a blueray player because my computer can already read BR/DVD/CD and plug into my TV to play them on a large screen. I barely even have any clutter now because I don't need to keep very many physical disks because I can store everything electronically as CD images or access them from an offsite library through steam or google's storage infastructure. I can play any music I want through pandora or my personal library while I'm gaming without having to fire up other electronics. I can alt tab and browse the internet while I'm waiting for a multiplayer game to start. If I don't understand something I can instantly access wikipedia. I'm not restricted to talking to other people who have XBOX live, I can text cellphones, make phone calls, talk to anyone on any instant messaging platform.

And that is only just the beginning of what I can do with my 'gaming' computer.

I do not care about specs, I care about if I'm having fun -_-

I said nothing about specs. That another point entirely. I'm talking economics and consolidation of computing power both in the short term and more pronouncedly so in the long term(which both does and does not have to do with system specs.)

Good for you? You have failed to convince me as to why I should get a computer when I already own a console and all my games are on it.

Again, I do NOT care how much more powerful it is, and all I use my computer for is writing and Skype. That's pretty much it.

You tell me it's more economic, but the thing is...it's not. Not for me at this point. Not when I already have purchased what I want and am using it without issue, and all my games are on it. I have no reason to go back and get a different gaming platform when I really don't need it, outside of the fact that I'm supposed to feel bad for playing on an 'inferior' platform.

even when I get my gaming computer, why should i go back and purchase all the games I already own? So they can look somewhat prettier? 'More support' is a poor reason because I never really buy dlc or have any problems with the game. 'Cheaper' is out because I already own a physical copy of the games I'm interested in and a second copy, physical or digital will do me no good, and I've never really cared all that much which copy of the game looks better as it will do little to enhance my enjoyment of the game.

If you like your PC, good for you. But I am a console gamer and I'm happy with that.

 

[Thumper17]

No you don't. A $500 PC can play the majority of AAA titles.

Since when is 500 dollars NOT a considerable amount of fucking money. It would take me a good month of work to save that amount up.

But I'm going to need to save up so I can play the Skyrim DLC.. *sigh* What I get for buying a PS3 after 3 360's die on me I guess.